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deminks

(11,017 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:54 PM Oct 2020

SCOTUS expanded in 1869 from 7 to 9 to match circuits. We now have 13 circuits.




SCOTUS was last expanded in 1869 from 7 to 9 justices to match the # of federal circuits. We now have 13 federal circuits. Sooooo.......

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VOTE. Get it done.
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SCOTUS expanded in 1869 from 7 to 9 to match circuits. We now have 13 circuits. (Original Post) deminks Oct 2020 OP
great info, we need to start building solid arguments and educating electorate AlexSFCA Oct 2020 #1
Correct new term "rebalancing the court". BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #2
I prefer court reform AlexSFCA Oct 2020 #3
That works too. BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #6
Then increase the SCOTUS to 13... ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2020 #4
13 is what I have advocated. roamer65 Oct 2020 #5
Lucky 13!! C Moon Oct 2020 #7
Now there's a thought. As to the rest, when they say "pack," we say "restore balance." Practice... Hekate Oct 2020 #8
Seems like it's time to expand the court again MyMission Oct 2020 #9
13 circuits as well as 13 founding states so the number 13 makes perfect sense and if we pack the cstanleytech Oct 2020 #10
McConnell said there is nothing you can do about it UCmeNdc Oct 2020 #11
He Is Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #12
When I read that "only Congress can change"... I assume that Congress means lamp_shade Oct 2020 #13
Yes. Both chambers of congress. Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #14
House And Senate Both, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2020 #16
Thanks, Magistrate. Are you saying he couldn't veto it? lamp_shade Oct 2020 #20
Not Sure What You Mean, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2020 #21
Silly me! I hadn't considered that Joe would be the Prez. I'm getting old. lamp_shade Oct 2020 #22
We Are All a Bit Distracted, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2020 #23
+1. dalton99a Oct 2020 #17
K&R ! octoberlib Oct 2020 #15
It Must Be Done - Or Live Under Their Rule Forever dalton99a Oct 2020 #18
Pack the lower federal courts SmartVoter22 Oct 2020 #19
Good idea wryter2000 Oct 2020 #24

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
1. great info, we need to start building solid arguments and educating electorate
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:55 PM
Oct 2020

to combat court packing argument

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,793 posts)
4. Then increase the SCOTUS to 13...
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:59 PM
Oct 2020

And tell Moscow Mitch and Lady G to go fuck themselves.

There are new sheriffs in the chamber.

Hekate

(90,826 posts)
8. Now there's a thought. As to the rest, when they say "pack," we say "restore balance." Practice...
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:39 AM
Oct 2020

...saying it: “Restore balance to the Courts.”

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
9. Seems like it's time to expand the court again
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:45 AM
Oct 2020

And also to increase and appoint federal judges to balance the glut installed by turtle.
13 is a good number for scotus. Makes sense. Hope it happens.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
10. 13 circuits as well as 13 founding states so the number 13 makes perfect sense and if we pack the
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:53 AM
Oct 2020

court like the Republicans did then we can bring balance back though the final spot might be best served by a moderate that does not lean to far because the whole goal is to bring the court back into balance.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
12. He Is Wrong, Sir
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:00 AM
Oct 2020

Whether what can be done will be done is a separate question.

Increasing the number of justices is merely one item.

The court could be stripped by statute of any appellate jurisdiction. Apart from disputes between branches of the Federal government, and between a state government and the Federal, no jurisdiction is given the Supreme Court by the Constitution, and it is explicitly stated its appellate authority is what Congress says it is.

The court's budget could be zeroed out, the salaries of its members reduced to an insulting nickel a year. No money whatever for clerks, for other functionaries.

The Executive can simply disregard court decisions --- these do not enforce themselves.

All these things not only are possible under the Constitution, they are things of a nature the founders thought proper uses of Legislative and Executive authority to check corrupt practice.


"What is not forbidden is required."



lamp_shade

(14,842 posts)
13. When I read that "only Congress can change"... I assume that Congress means
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:55 AM
Oct 2020

BOTH House and Senate. I hope I'm right. For instance, stripping the court of appellate jurisdiction. Would the House get to vote on such a move?

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
14. Yes. Both chambers of congress.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 06:27 AM
Oct 2020

It's just a law. The Constitution does provide specifics to size, so a law approved by the Senate and House and signed the the president.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
16. House And Senate Both, Ma'am
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:33 AM
Oct 2020

And the President would have to sign the bill when it had passed both chambers.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
21. Not Sure What You Mean, Ma'am
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:55 AM
Oct 2020

A President can veto, and that can be set aside by a super-majority of both House and Senate.

If the election returns a Democratic majority in both House and Senate, Mr. Biden will be President. The cheap thug will be out of the picture (and may be on trial for felonies).

If Mr. Biden should choose to veto necessary measures to redeem the Supreme Court from the kangaroo panel McConnell and his minions have made of it, he will find himself a good deal less popular with the Party faithful than he is now....

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
23. We Are All a Bit Distracted, Ma'am
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:54 PM
Oct 2020

I have not felt quite so tense as this week since the days of my adventurous youth....

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
19. Pack the lower federal courts
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:42 AM
Oct 2020

Instead of adding seats to SCOTUS, add 3 seats to each of the 13 federal courts. This could create a preemptive move that could shift rulings before they get to SCOTUS.

Pack the federal appellate courts, but at the level just below SCOTUS, where most cases will receive the final decision or ruling.

Just a thought.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
24. Good idea
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:28 PM
Oct 2020

Glen Kirschner has been recommending this. The lower courts need help.

I honestly think we could do both, though.

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