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drray23

(7,627 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:34 AM Nov 2020

Even after we throw Trump out our country's reputation will be permanently

damaged. This has shown to the world that our electoral system is so flawed that a madman like Trump can be elected. Our laws and institutions so fragile they can be corrupted by said wannabee dictators. Our treaties, agreements with other countries can be canceled on a whim. Our word can not be trusted. Why enter a deal with the US if the next president can arbitrarly cancel it ?
After Joe Biden takes over and we retake the senate, we can address some of it but a permanent fix will require drastic changes to our instititions, the power of the presidency and the system of check and balances.

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North Shore Chicago

(3,316 posts)
2. Agree with the first poster.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:38 AM
Nov 2020

A HUGE win by Joe and Kamala will indeed go a long way. I have a friend in Canada, they know most of us are not agreement with what has been going on. They place blame squarely on the shoulders of IT and the MAGAT cult. They are on our side of goodness and are rooting for us!

drray23

(7,627 posts)
11. oh for sure.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:56 AM
Nov 2020

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will go a long way towards repairing what Trump has wrecked. However unless we also address the root causes, it could happen again with another mafman elected president.

Wounded Bear

(58,653 posts)
3. Nothing is permanent...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:40 AM
Nov 2020

hell, 70 years ago, Germany was the most corrupt, inhumane country in the Western world-Stalin's USSR excluded.

Now, Angela Merkel is kind of the de facto "leader" of the Western world.

Yeehah

(4,587 posts)
9. Of course, Germany had to be reduced to rubble for positive change to happen
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:53 AM
Nov 2020

Conventional warfare is no longer an option if a nation such as the USA becomes a fascist, warmongering state.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
4. No it won't. Remember Obama had to rebuild relationships w our allies after Dubya & world leaders
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

Were more than willing. Biden was part of O's admin & w be an extension of that.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
7. the point is that it shows our relationships are build on sand.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:52 AM
Nov 2020

All it takes is a crazy president and its down the drain. The presidency is too powerful. Congress is unable or unwilling to put checks on it.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
14. Keep in mind compared to most countries in the world ours is a young republic
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

And has its growing pains. Of course these relationships are fragile. Elections have consequences. Ours is a representatives democracy. We need to get better at the messaging to get ppl out to vote in good leaders - at every level local, state & national.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. Remember after WWII we were
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:43 AM
Nov 2020

the only major power that didn't have its infrastructure bombed to rubble.

In Covid we are one of the countries that has had its "infrastructure" bombed into rubble. Those countries that have managed Covid well (including China and Germany) have a decided advantage over us going forward.

I am afraid that, if Biden wins, he or our party candidate will have a very difficult time winning again. It shouldn't be that way, but we are a country of morons, and the morons have the Electoral advantage.

Yeehah

(4,587 posts)
6. It's been ruined by two presidents elected due to the electoral college
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:50 AM
Nov 2020

The criminal George AWOL Bush regime launched an unjustified war on Iraq, proving that the USA is a danger to global peace. The insanity of the Trump regime has shown the potential for the USA to become a fascist kakistocracy.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
8. Other countries are struggling with the same thing. Right wing populism isn't just
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:53 AM
Nov 2020

an issue here in the States. I think many worried countries just want to see us get back on track. Joe Biden expressed it well when he said this election could demonstrate that Trump was an anomaly. Europe is fighting back authoritarians in Hungary and Poland. Germany has a rising far right party.

Our best defense is to immediately reform alliances with our allies and punish foreign interlopers who have made it their mission in life to destroy democracies.

But we do have to fight hard against certain political machines that wish to do our democracy harm, specifically the racist supremacists and, particularly, the Christian Nationalists. Too many people don't take them seriously. They are well funded an well organized, and it's global in extent. In some cases they are funded by our enemies.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
10. The USA was viewed as the biggest threat to peace...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:56 AM
Nov 2020

... according to past Gallup polls done across the world, so I think the reputation has been damaged for years.

Trump doesn't help, of course.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
13. They didn't help the reputation at all.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

I'm surprised that any country would ever sign a treaty with us.

Willto

(292 posts)
15. This is something
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:09 AM
Nov 2020

I have said many times to my friends as well. Getting this ass clown out of office is great and all but someone this ignorant, immoral, unqualified, and mentally flawed being elected in the first place is a shame that will linger long after we are all gone.

This country elected a friggin reality TV show host president. Who's next? Dog the Bounty Hunter? One of the Duck Dynasty guys? Honey Boo Boo? Talk about forever pissing away the moral authority to bitch about any other country's leader. All they have to do to shut our ass up is say, "Motherf#^ker, you elected Donald Trump as president".

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