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tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:00 PM Nov 2020

My dad just said he's staying home on Tuesday. He said he never thought he would see this day

He's already voted. As they are showing images on tv of businesses boarding up bracing for violence, he said he was expecting trump to lose and he expects violence from trumpers when he loses. Therefore, he has no intention of leaving home on Tuesday or the rest of this week in case there is violence .

One of the reasons, my family migrated to the USA in the 1980's, was to escape violent elections. I was a little girl then, but I remember the terror people would feel when it was time for election.
Here we are in America, thinking about the same possibilities. It's surreal. I doubt it will get to that level of election violence of the 70's and 80's in Jamaica.

However
I hope enough Americans understand what is truly at stake. You see this in other places, not America. This is not normal. One of many things that trump has broken.

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My dad just said he's staying home on Tuesday. He said he never thought he would see this day (Original Post) tulipsandroses Nov 2020 OP
I predict no violence when Biden wins soothsayer Nov 2020 #1
But he will. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #9
What if Biden loses? n/t aggiesal Nov 2020 #22
Protests, I think. Not violence from our side. soothsayer Nov 2020 #23
Better be a 30 ft pipeline Blue wave. n/t aggiesal Nov 2020 #37
But I think protests would be wnylib Nov 2020 #43
in that unlikely event, any protests will be brutally put down by the combination quakerboy Nov 2020 #34
My biggest concern will be the following scenario ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #36
Roberts is playing a long game quakerboy Nov 2020 #55
rw radio blowhards are going to incite violence but trump's true base are all dittoheads and except certainot Nov 2020 #27
Well, well. I like the way you think. Missn-Hitch Nov 2020 #30
oh jeez.... the dream ticket! certainot Nov 2020 #35
"without a peep of challenge from democrats" babylonsister Nov 2020 #42
yes, i agree, but dems studiously ignoring rw radio is the biggest political certainot Nov 2020 #45
I'm so sorry for your dad and for our country MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #2
I refuse to be a refugee in my own home. Others may feel like your Dad, and that's okay. SWBTATTReg Nov 2020 #3
Maraming salamat AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #4
I'm anxious. Your family is who makes America great. Take care of your dad. AnotherMother4Peace Nov 2020 #5
I can understand your dad's concern, and his choice. Safety first! Which is why my 6' oak staff niyad Nov 2020 #6
You see that's the thing malaise Nov 2020 #7
Yeah, those were awful times, which is why I think it was so jarring for him to see businesses tulipsandroses Nov 2020 #17
They will be isolated incidents, Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #8
As far as I know it has always been illegal in Texas. efhmc Nov 2020 #12
That's what I'm worrying about too, a shooting at a polling place by a Trumpist mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #53
I actually fear more violence if Trump wins... world wide wally Nov 2020 #10
Hugs ! Gilbert Moore Nov 2020 #11
And thanks for voting. efhmc Nov 2020 #13
Election day being on the 3rd is also the day a lot of people Doreen Nov 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Doreen Nov 2020 #15
Tuesday no need to stay home. Results won't be known. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2020 #16
I live in a tRump ville, probably 99% fascist supporters, but do plan on going out Tuesday give USPS yaesu Nov 2020 #18
If trump steals it, barbtries Nov 2020 #19
Your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. "Not normal". Take care and best to you and your family. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #20
I took the week off TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #21
We... Blue_playwright Nov 2020 #24
Wednesday is the day he should also stay home kimbutgar Nov 2020 #25
I hope there is no violence, but I am worried .... jb5150 Nov 2020 #26
Trump would like nothing better. kstewart33 Nov 2020 #28
Trump will lose, there will not be a Civil War FakeNoose Nov 2020 #29
theres a difference between 2000 and now Squidly Nov 2020 #39
This time, the good guys will win FakeNoose Nov 2020 #49
My town is about 75% for trump but there won't be any violence no matter the outcome. marie999 Nov 2020 #31
There will be "incidents," and it isn't just going to be Tuesday. Grokenstein Nov 2020 #32
+1,000,000 ancianita Nov 2020 #40
Yes, but that orange monstrosity could not have done it Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #33
Trump has broken 'normal'. Aussie105 Nov 2020 #38
I think your father is wise. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #41
I have shopping to do tomorrow. wnylib Nov 2020 #44
Feel sorry for your dad. And America. JPPaverage Nov 2020 #46
If you think you hear fireworks, don't go running outside to look, its not fireworks, just a tip Baclava Nov 2020 #47
A friend of mine is the daughter of Cuban immigrants and married to a Trinidadian. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2020 #48
How come the media always ignores Daxter Nov 2020 #50
Great post, US has become one of 'those other places' sad to say. appalachiablue Nov 2020 #51
sorry your Dad is speaknow Nov 2020 #52
He voted Loki Liesmith Nov 2020 #54

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
1. I predict no violence when Biden wins
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

Unless the fascist in chief encourages his domestic terrorists to act up.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
43. But I think protests would be
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:06 PM
Nov 2020

met with a violent reaction from Trumpists.

However, I don't expect Trump to win. Not legitimately, anyway.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
34. in that unlikely event, any protests will be brutally put down by the combination
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:42 PM
Nov 2020

of local police, immigration soldiers, and their unofficial what supremacist auxiliarys. Because the constitution and law at that point is worth less than toilet paper, there will be no consequences for them going on a murder spree.

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
36. My biggest concern will be the following scenario ...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:24 PM
Nov 2020

Biden when by a narrow margin.
Pendejo45 start on a lawsuit rampage in all the swing states
just to throw enough of a question that Biden's win will have little legitimacy.

On January 20, 2021, there will be 2 inaugurations.
Which one will Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts attend?

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
55. Roberts is playing a long game
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:19 AM
Nov 2020

If he thinks he can keep trump and retain respectability, he will do it.

It he doesnt, he wont.

Based on that... the question is.. is there a swing state with a fight, or does trump lose narrowly in all the swing states? Roberts might try and throw his thumb on the scales of the first scenario, but in the second, i doubt he does.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
27. rw radio blowhards are going to incite violence but trump's true base are all dittoheads and except
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:22 PM
Nov 2020

for the craziest ones are cowards

that is another reason why fox is not the problem - the fox blowhards might hint but they're not going to go nuts and risk losing their high paid jobs. the radio blowhards get to hide behind microphones and take calls from puffed up cowardly idiots who have been hearing democratic voter fraud lies and BLM communist terrorist bullshit for years. and some of those callers we know are paid and some might be calling from the kremlin. the big national blowhards will leave it at "democrats stole the election", "there were boxes of ballots dumped in rivers" etc and obstruct biden harris for 4 years (without a peep of challenge from democrats) and leave the rest to the shit fer brains dittoheads to fiil in the blanks.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
30. Well, well. I like the way you think.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

There will be violence no matter who wins. However, it will be short lived.

The build up of Jr. and/or Cotton for 2024 begins. A Cotton/Jr. ticket sounds fun.

Cheers anyway!

babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
42. "without a peep of challenge from democrats"
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:41 PM
Nov 2020

I've been pretty proud of the Democrats lately. They've done what they could despite being thwarted every step of the way. Should we gain the Senate, I hope they're out for bear.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
45. yes, i agree, but dems studiously ignoring rw radio is the biggest political
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:19 AM
Nov 2020

mistake in history

if carville had said "it's the radio stupid" 2 years before losing the congress for the first time in decades we' be in a totally different place

there has been no organized response to republicans' only unique advantage. it is that messaging dominance that is often misdiagnosed as 'public opinion' and 'what the people want' - just because its loud, and because it is unchallenged, misdiagnosed and often misused by democratic politicians, even mistakenly, to intimidate and enable compromises -often called blue dog and conservadem bullshit

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
3. I refuse to be a refugee in my own home. Others may feel like your Dad, and that's okay.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

Safety first, should be in everybody's mind, first thing.

Good for your Dad in voting.

Be safe and careful, when you go vote (if you haven't)!

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
5. I'm anxious. Your family is who makes America great. Take care of your dad.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

edit to add: My Mother would tell me stories of her family's escape from Poland - truly frightening. They found refuge here in the United States.

niyad

(113,284 posts)
6. I can understand your dad's concern, and his choice. Safety first! Which is why my 6' oak staff
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:20 PM
Nov 2020

and my very large, very heavy, purse are going with me. Even though I am in a safe, and fairly blue, area of this red county.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
7. You see that's the thing
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

What I'm seeing in the US under the Killa Con is what the CIA and Seaga orchestrated in Jamaica and elsewhere.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
17. Yeah, those were awful times, which is why I think it was so jarring for him to see businesses
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:59 PM
Nov 2020

boarding up and preparing for election day as if a CAT 5 hurricane was coming or some other disaster.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
8. They will be isolated incidents,
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:27 PM
Nov 2020

but sadly I predict there will be gunfire at polling places on Tuesday.

I also predict there will be a bunch of laws passed nationwide to ban guns at polling places.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
53. That's what I'm worrying about too, a shooting at a polling place by a Trumpist
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:26 PM
Nov 2020

(probably wearing a Biden/Harris shirt to throw the blame the other direction, at least for a good portion of Election Day itself).

If it's bad and happens early in the day, and is all over the news all day? It provides Mango Mussolini with exactly the sort of excuse he's looking for ... we have to have a do-over because people were too frightened to go to the polls!!1!

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
10. I actually fear more violence if Trump wins...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:30 PM
Nov 2020

Remember 2016 when his goons went on Nazi rampages when he won? There was a huge increase in hate crimes those following two weeks. It was a if they had gotten the green light by Trump winning. I fear more of the same if it happens again. As if people approve of the hatefulness.

Gilbert Moore

(218 posts)
11. Hugs !
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:37 PM
Nov 2020

You, Dad and everyone you know be safe. THANKS for choosing the USA to migrate to ! ! !

Peace and Love ! ! !

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
14. Election day being on the 3rd is also the day a lot of people
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

get their type of Soc-Sec check. My friend and I do and we have to go shopping. We do our shopping in Olympia so it is blue enough to not have to worry much but the town I live in is a completely different story. I will not be out and about in my town.

Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
16. Tuesday no need to stay home. Results won't be known.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:54 PM
Nov 2020

Hopefully, there will be good news by Wednesday morning.

Good news, of course, could cause stupid traffic demonstrations.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
18. I live in a tRump ville, probably 99% fascist supporters, but do plan on going out Tuesday give USPS
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:06 PM
Nov 2020

some more business, pick up a few groceries, watching tRumpsters heads explode may be a new hobby of mine, maybe even talk a few into leaving the country

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
19. If trump steals it,
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:14 PM
Nov 2020

i'll leave to protest. otherwise, I'm not going anywhere, but then I haven't for almost 8 months thanks to the loser.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
21. I took the week off
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:32 PM
Nov 2020

Basically for the same reason. I think there will be demonstrations no matter who wins, and Texas is a heavily armed state.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
24. We...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:53 PM
Nov 2020

...brought home my mom’s little handgun. I grew up in a hunting family and our Oklahoma lake house has been known to have copperheads and water moccasins - so we have guns for both. My hub’s horrible dad once played Russian roulette with his kids to torture their mom (long, terrible story) so he’s not a gun person and we’ve never brought one home. Always figured we’d bring home the historic/war guns minus ammo after my dad passes...

Anyway, we decided to bring home my moms single action .22 and a few bullets today. I just don’t trust Trump and the cult like furor of his followers. I think if he told them to hit the streets across the country, they would.

I doubt it will leave the cabinet where I stashed it, but it does make me feel better. Never thought we’d think that or say it.

But it goes back after things are settled.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
25. Wednesday is the day he should also stay home
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:54 PM
Nov 2020

I purposely am not working in Wednesday and my husband is taking the day off.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
28. Trump would like nothing better.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:22 PM
Nov 2020

He would relish his supporters turning the presidential election into a violent s***show.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
29. Trump will lose, there will not be a Civil War
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:26 PM
Nov 2020

Remember what happened in 2000. If there were ever going to be a war it would have been over that election. Be careful and don't provoke the idiots.

We'll just keep our cool, stay quiet, and go about our business. We'll be fine
This country will heal and everyone will be happy again.

WE ROCK!

Squidly

(783 posts)
39. theres a difference between 2000 and now
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:55 PM
Nov 2020

People were not on edge, worked up into a lather before that election like they are now. This has had 20 years to brew to the boiling point. I pray I am wrong, but we are in for some dark days no matter who wins.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
32. There will be "incidents," and it isn't just going to be Tuesday.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

Hell, before sunset Tuesday's probably going to be quiet. But after that, the FBI's going to be busy mopping up Li'l Don-Don's terror cells for quite a while.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
33. Yes, but that orange monstrosity could not have done it
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:38 PM
Nov 2020

without all those belligerently ignorant fools who supported him when he was an obviously racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal jerk, and who contiue to support him, but even more ferrventy, now that he's proven himself to also be a moronic, mendacious, criminal murderer.

Aussie105

(5,387 posts)
38. Trump has broken 'normal'.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:21 PM
Nov 2020

"You see this in other places, not America. This is not normal. One of many things that trump has broken."

So true. So well said.

Biden Slogan: MANA for "Make America Normal Again!"

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
41. I think your father is wise.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:27 PM
Nov 2020

Every person off the street is a tiny bit less pressure threatening to blow the lid off.

wnylib

(21,445 posts)
44. I have shopping to do tomorrow.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:15 PM
Nov 2020

Then I plan to stay inside and monitor events once the polls close. I don't see how we can avoid violence now, regardless of who wins. I hope we can get through this peacefully, or that any violence is brief and isolated, without serious harm.

But with truck caravans already on the road and threatening the Biden campaign, it does not look good.

JPPaverage

(508 posts)
46. Feel sorry for your dad. And America.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:27 AM
Nov 2020

But he should not be scared. Thats what the right wingers want. And if fear wins out, the bad guys win.
I have a doctors appointment on Tuesday and afterwards I may pick up my lovely (immigrant) wife at her job and take her out to lunch. If any trumpers try to stand in our way, we'll she is well versed in self defense. And I've already voted. Please give your dad a big hug from a big guy in Iowa and both of you stay safe and healthy. Remember, "We shall overcome."

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
47. If you think you hear fireworks, don't go running outside to look, its not fireworks, just a tip
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:42 AM
Nov 2020

When Trump loses I fully expect masses of people outside the WH chanting "Kick him out" every night until he's gone

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
48. A friend of mine is the daughter of Cuban immigrants and married to a Trinidadian.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:45 AM
Nov 2020

She is terrified. They plan to stay firmly put inside their house for the rest of the week. I think she's being too pessimistic and anxious, but I also know that's my lily white privilege talking.

Daxter

(103 posts)
50. How come the media always ignores
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 10:11 AM
Nov 2020

The violence form right wingers? They do nothing but try to paint the left as violent when in reality it’s the right that is always starting fights and intimidate people. I’m sick and tired of this double standard especially from Fox News

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
51. Great post, US has become one of 'those other places' sad to say.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 10:16 AM
Nov 2020

In two pleasant visits to Jamaica I found the island enjoyable for its natural beauty, filled with culture and nice people.

speaknow

(321 posts)
52. sorry your Dad is
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:30 PM
Nov 2020

not voting, he could've voted by mail, no? Many gave thier lives
for your Dad to vote. . This is what DJT wants, for many to stay home
in fear. We Americans will stand for what is right, We will
have no fear just like many before us and that what makes
America Great!

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