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Harris County case being appealed to the fifth circuit (Original Post) EleanorR Nov 2020 OP
Mr Tribe Suggests, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2020 #1
Thank you EleanorR Nov 2020 #6
Hard To Say, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2020 #8
That makes me feel a bit better EleanorR Nov 2020 #9
I Do Not Either, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2020 #10
I'm hoping that's the case EleanorR Nov 2020 #19
Probably not. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #11
So sick of this cilla4progress Nov 2020 #2
DAMN! elleng Nov 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author cilla4progress Nov 2020 #4
I find it chilling to see how brazen Republicans are in trying to suppress votes DFW Nov 2020 #5
Hanen rejected the suit due to lack of standing; appeal filed by legislators who claim standing Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #7
Generally, you can't switch parties on appeal. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #12
Very interesting judeling Nov 2020 #13
Kick dalton99a Nov 2020 #14
This is a great example of how dumb our judicial system is BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #15
I think it is too late for this one. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #16
I was wondering about that also. ananda Nov 2020 #18
You know, I seem to recall in the late '90s and early 00's crickets Nov 2020 #17

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
1. Mr Tribe Suggests, Ma'am
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:01 PM
Nov 2020

That tucked away in this decision may be support for the opinion Kavanaugh recently cited, that state legislatures are solely responsible for election rules in their states, and that state courts or local officials do not count if they vary from the letter of a law passed by the legislature.

I have not read the opinion, but do trust Mr. Tribe.

The 5th Circuit is under no obligation to accept the appeal at all, let alone expedite it.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
8. Hard To Say, Ma'am
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:16 PM
Nov 2020

If my understanding is correct, the Wisconsin decision over-ruled a Federal judge instructing the state to vary its law. That is a different matter from overruling a state supreme court. Kavanaugh dissented when a decision by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was upheld (by a tie vote), citing a concurrance in Bush v. Gore, by either Scalia or Rehnquist (I confess I have forgotten which of these shit-heels wrote it), an opinion no other Justice in that misbegotten case agreed with. It is in this individual effort, shared by no other Justice at the time, which Kavanaugh cited. He has been dragged rather badly for errors of fact as well as law in his opinion. It would be an act of resurrection for the full Supreme Court to endorse it. Not impossible, mind.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
10. I Do Not Either, Ma'am
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:02 PM
Nov 2020

There is a good chance, though, that the margins will be sufficient it does not matter what the enemy attempts.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
11. Probably not.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:03 PM
Nov 2020

Judge Hanen kicked this out on a standing issue, but suggested. In doing so, he strongly supported the plaintiff's views - but essentially said his hands were tied because the party that brought the suit was not the right party to bring it.

So - if the right party brought the suit, the outcome would be different. Since they are stuck (on appeal) to the initial party - the SC likely would rule the same way.

BUT - if a proper party brings the suit, the SC might see it differently.

Response to EleanorR (Original post)

DFW

(54,369 posts)
5. I find it chilling to see how brazen Republicans are in trying to suppress votes
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:07 PM
Nov 2020

It's not even subtle any more. They know they lose in fairly held elections, so they try to prevent elections from being fair. No secret, no trying to hide it. Right out there in the open, and they don't care who knows it. if there is a chance a group of votes cast might be majority Democratic, they will attempt to have them disqualified. No zany reason is too far over the top for them. If a Republican judge will accept someone's word that the dog ate the paperwork in order to disqualify the votes, that is good enough for them--and for the judge.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
7. Hanen rejected the suit due to lack of standing; appeal filed by legislators who claim standing
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:11 PM
Nov 2020

Original plaintiffs did not include any TX legislators, appeal apparently does.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
13. Very interesting
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:31 PM
Nov 2020

Quite frankly unless there is a ruling directing segregation of the ballots, time is likely to run out as they will be counted. At that point they would have to invalidate the entire counties vote and basically order a recount.

We are getting to a place where this will lead to the total destruction of the GOP. We are about to put in conflict States Rights and Federal oversight. And strike a blow at the unitary executive. It is quickly coming down to a choice of destroying the Republican party and starting a civil war, or pushing it all back to the state courts.

I expect that there will be a slow down on any rulings to see how the election plays first.

This is truly a battle for the Soul of the Nation.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
15. This is a great example of how dumb our judicial system is
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:36 PM
Nov 2020

Don’t like the ruling? Just appeal. They’re infinite in number, apparently.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
16. I think it is too late for this one.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:43 PM
Nov 2020

The judge even mentioned that. Curb side voting has been going on for a while. The problem is that by the time this appeal is heard, they wouldn't be able to notify impacted voters that they would need to vote by other means.

I don't think a court is going to say that votes cast in manner the state (local clerk) deemed permissible should not be counted. That would serve to really call into question the results. And I would think would violate the equal protection rights of those whose votes were eliminated.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
17. You know, I seem to recall in the late '90s and early 00's
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

a refrain heard from Republicans over and over again: "frivolous lawsuits!" What ever happened to that?

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