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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:52 AM Nov 2020

Angst about the closeness of Joe Biden's imminent win misses what we've accomplished

...it stands to any reason that a victory is important here, but this one shouldn't be looked at like it's some kind of harbinger of a hopelessly broken electorate.

If you thought our racial and social divisions were going to be solved on election day, you might be a bit disappointed this morning, even as we angle to unseat the defacto leader of the nation's white supremacist movement. But you're on the right track in expecting for the election to begin the task of reparing some of the tears to our social fabric.

Here's the thing. Achieving the presidency will be just as consequential as it was for Trump's ascendance to office-this time for the good. There will be actual leadership, changing outcomes for Americans and changing minds.

This time we will have a president who got to office with the support of a clear majority of votes cast, something which appears to be a Democratic hallmark, a measure of legitimacy not shared by the opposition. Moreover, Joe Biden will have achieved the presidency against a virulently autocratic incumbent, something remarkable and significant no matter how you view the strength of the incumbency.

Look at what Trump did with three million-plus votes in the hole. Joe Biden will exceed that 2016 margin and begin governing with the actual support of a majority of Americans. Imagine that.

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Angst about the closeness of Joe Biden's imminent win misses what we've accomplished (Original Post) bigtree Nov 2020 OP
Yup EarlG Nov 2020 #1
We will have to work really hard to give him the Senate in 2022. Solomon Nov 2020 #2
Yup! lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #3
remember, almost as many Senate seats are in play in the midterms bigtree Nov 2020 #5
Biden has not yet "won" this election. BComplex Nov 2020 #4
well, we don't need to worry about complacency any more bigtree Nov 2020 #6
Don't forget PA! Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #9
I did forget Pa. bigtree Nov 2020 #10
We are also in the middle of a RAGING pandemic that is getting worse and worse by the day BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #7
that's right, causing much of Joe's campaign to be relayed virtually to voters bigtree Nov 2020 #11
Yes. Biden didn't want to be come the next "super-spreader-in-chief"! BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #12
Rec. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #8
Not ideal, but I'll take it kurtcagle Nov 2020 #13
great post bigtree Nov 2020 #14

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
1. Yup
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:01 AM
Nov 2020

If there's one thing we need to learn from Republicans, its that there are no moral victories in politics. You win, you take power, you leverage that power.

And let's not forget that if Biden does pull this off, he'll have:

1) Won the electoral college
2) Won the popular vote
3) Received the highest number of votes for president in American history
4) Defeated an incumbent president, which has only happened once in the last 40 years

So there's that...

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
2. We will have to work really hard to give him the Senate in 2022.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:04 AM
Nov 2020

Without the senate he will not be able to get much done.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Yup!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:06 AM
Nov 2020

Meanwhile, at least we can put a stop to the escalating craziness, and start undoing every executive order Turd has issued.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
5. remember, almost as many Senate seats are in play in the midterms
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 AM
Nov 2020

...and I'm still looking at at least 4 races where we may make that point moot.

ME, NC, and GA have 4 seats up for grabs and we only need 2.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
6. well, we don't need to worry about complacency any more
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:12 AM
Nov 2020

...so I'm going to be bold and speculate that Joe Biden won't drop his lead again in NV, AZ, WI, or MI, and can still win Georgia and NC.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
7. We are also in the middle of a RAGING pandemic that is getting worse and worse by the day
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:12 AM
Nov 2020

which would make what we have so far pretty damned remarkable. Hoping hoping hoping.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
11. that's right, causing much of Joe's campaign to be relayed virtually to voters
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:27 AM
Nov 2020

...even as Trump held large rallies, including using the WH for his political events.


kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
13. Not ideal, but I'll take it
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

We regained control of the White House, gained at least one Senate seat, and picked up a few more in the House.

Here's what didn't happen last night:
* Trump didn't receive a second term as President, possibly ending the country as a Democracy.
* The House didn't revert back to the Republicans, which would have just hastened the process
* We didn't have riots or looting or armed thugs attacking voters
* The Republicans didn't gain more seats, making it even harder for them to turn the country into one-party rule, and forcing McConnell to compromise more.

With Biden,
* we throw out the Barrs and DeJoys and the Salazars and replace them with people who are neither corrupt nor incompetent,
* we stop the hemorrhaging of civil service people,
* we restore the CDC and sort out real responses to the Pandemic
* we rejoin the Paris Accords
* we clean up the damage done to the EPA, get rid of all of those Trump EOs and start sane Climate Change responses
* we no longer conduct important governmental business on Twitter
* we no longer have to deal with abusive MFers gaslighting us

So, yeah, I'll take it

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