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Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:29 AM Nov 2020

I don't care what anyone says. I thank the Lincoln Project and FORMER Republicans who

voted for and encouraged other GOP to vote for Biden. We may end up having to battle over policies and such but at least it might be among reasonable opponents.

Now to clean out the Senate.

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I don't care what anyone says. I thank the Lincoln Project and FORMER Republicans who (Original Post) Boogiemack Nov 2020 OP
Agreed. I don't know if they moved any R's but they sure put an edge on the message to D's. n/t CincyDem Nov 2020 #1
And they went "low" more than most Dems could or would. (nt) klook Nov 2020 #4
Very good point. They even went after the satan's spawn ResistantAmerican17 Nov 2020 #36
Their ads allowed Joe's ads to be positive. BKDem Nov 2020 #72
They moved Rs Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #73
I think they might have helped flip AZ AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #2
And Georgia. N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2020 #17
Agreed. Fahrenthold451 Nov 2020 #3
Repub Reps and Sens got more votes than the gibbon randr Nov 2020 #5
i agree, because barbtries Nov 2020 #6
I agree StarryNite Nov 2020 #7
I'm sure going forward they will be. AngryOldDem Nov 2020 #12
Absolutely. They definitely helped. We have gained two Senate seats in Arizona and Colorado still_one Nov 2020 #8
Hear, hear AngryOldDem Nov 2020 #9
Agree completely. We owe them a lot. highplainsdem Nov 2020 #10
Had a patient recently ismnotwasm Nov 2020 #11
To quote Shakespeare (Othello) anamnua Nov 2020 #13
The Lincoln Project will be with us in GA. Big Blue Marble Nov 2020 #14
Their goal was to shift just 4% of the Republican vote to Democratic vote in swing states. Big Blue Marble Nov 2020 #15
I agree... Spazito Nov 2020 #16
They are not reasonable. They are Republicans. Fuck them. theaocp Nov 2020 #18
Did you see their tons of adds or listen to their podcasts - I bet not. womanofthehills Nov 2020 #69
Maybe you missed the part where I said theaocp Nov 2020 #82
You sound like the Trumpsters. Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #75
lol I don't like Republicans. n/t theaocp Nov 2020 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #76
Absolutely. lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #19
Totally agree Bradshaw3 Nov 2020 #20
The Lincoln Project certainly moved some Republicans into Biden's column andym Nov 2020 #21
Millions of republicans voted for Joe Biden Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #22
AND, they were important to some of us psychologically. Greybnk48 Nov 2020 #23
Group therapy Nasruddin Nov 2020 #35
They helped me keep my sanity on many occasions. nt pazzyanne Nov 2020 #44
Seriously without them...we would be in yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #24
No doubt they helped. And are continuing to help Blecht Nov 2020 #25
+1,000,000! dchill Nov 2020 #43
+2,000,0002 world wide wally Nov 2020 #54
Yes. Senate work ahead. whttevrr Nov 2020 #26
Georgia is a GREAT example of what their effect was. Up until this morning, the last time.... George II Nov 2020 #27
They're not going back to the GOP. They've burnt those bridges. DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #28
They have my respect. Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2020 #29
Double runoff for the Senate in Georgia. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #30
Totally. And shame on the Romneys, Mattis, Tillerson, Bolton, Kelly and more who KNEW wiggs Nov 2020 #31
Agree McCamy Taylor Nov 2020 #32
Admiration is one thing Nasruddin Nov 2020 #33
We have a lot of work to do, including studying/quantifying communication efforts all around. JudyM Nov 2020 #41
The DID move Republicans Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #77
I am proud to have them alongside pandr32 Nov 2020 #34
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2020 #37
Incumbent Republican Senators DallasNE Nov 2020 #38
They can still be helpful if they get some swing-voting repubs in the senate Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #39
Agreed n/t whopis01 Nov 2020 #40
K&R dchill Nov 2020 #42
Hey Hey! They're back, this time for Georgia. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #45
Good to hear - will they be trying to take down Loeffler also? icwlmuscyia Nov 2020 #47
Yes, I'm sure they will - ad's just not ready yet. DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #78
ABSOLUTELY! elleng Nov 2020 #46
I said from the beginning of this that I would gladly make peace and cooperate with conservatives, paulkienitz Nov 2020 #48
Totally agree. Their content and message was always based on facts and reality. 0nirevets Nov 2020 #49
You don't care what I say, then, which is they are STILL Republicans. ancianita Nov 2020 #50
Dems need to fight hard for the Senate IronLionZion Nov 2020 #51
The Lincoln Project BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #52
I think they did a fantastic job ailsagirl Nov 2020 #53
I agree and Schmidts eloquent take downs gibraltar72 Nov 2020 #55
They did not help out of the goodness of their hearts though as they got what they wanted which is cstanleytech Nov 2020 #56
The did the right and honorable thing when America faced its greatest threat. Republicans are Pepsidog Nov 2020 #57
Prove it zipplewrath Nov 2020 #58
I think one of the problems is that they didn't have a huge ad budget belpejic Nov 2020 #66
Graham is in South Carolina for God's sake. Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #79
Collins? zipplewrath Nov 2020 #80
They took a principled stand at great personal expense to their own careers Azathoth Nov 2020 #59
Where were the haters during the run up to the election? SayItLoud Nov 2020 #60
I'm right there with you, Boogiemack peggysue2 Nov 2020 #61
Why do we discuss and argue politics? GusBob Nov 2020 #62
I agree. They are the reason we can differentiate between Republicans and Trump nazis berni_mccoy Nov 2020 #63
Absolutely. They've kept me reminded that not all Hortensis Nov 2020 #64
Biden Required the Broadest Coalition Ever Assembled to Beat Trump in a Relatively Close Race Indykatie Nov 2020 #65
The effect on the election to beat Trump by LP is incalculable Roc2020 Nov 2020 #67
The Lincoln Project did nothing for this election. More republicans voted vsrazdem Nov 2020 #68
I agree VA_Jill Nov 2020 #70
Yup. They rock. Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #71
I salute them. kairos12 Nov 2020 #74
+1. I like their confidence and toughness, we need more of that, radius777 Nov 2020 #83
True, that. Wednesdays Nov 2020 #84
The Lincoln Project are dead ender GOP neocons that want to survive. PufPuf23 Nov 2020 #85
I salute them TheDemsshouldhireme Nov 2020 #86
Lincoln Project people will be strong allies RVN VET71 Nov 2020 #87

ResistantAmerican17

(4,111 posts)
36. Very good point. They even went after the satan's spawn
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

and called out Jared, Eric, Don and Princess Ivanka.

randr

(12,481 posts)
5. Repub Reps and Sens got more votes than the gibbon
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:31 AM
Nov 2020

Split ticket votes could be due to LP.
They sure kept me entertained

barbtries

(29,856 posts)
6. i agree, because
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

they still get respect from republicans who may be lured back to sanity by their activism.

at the end of the day, we all do live together here; we need to find a way to do it peaceably.

AngryOldDem

(14,176 posts)
12. I'm sure going forward they will be.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:37 AM
Nov 2020

For a first-time effort, though, they still did pretty damn good.

They’re not going away. Already they’ve got some people on their radar, like the Q-Anon woman.

still_one

(96,636 posts)
8. Absolutely. They definitely helped. We have gained two Senate seats in Arizona and Colorado
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:33 AM
Nov 2020

and we have a chance for two more in Georgia


AngryOldDem

(14,176 posts)
9. Hear, hear
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:34 AM
Nov 2020

We may still differ ideologically, but they put COUNTRY before idol-worshipping PARTY.

Here’s to Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Reed Galen, and everyone else who had the courage to stand up to this monster.

ismnotwasm

(42,466 posts)
11. Had a patient recently
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:35 AM
Nov 2020

Intently watching the election returns. He voted for Trump the first time, and was so disgusted by Trump they were full on rooting for Biden.
As they were from a very serious condition that required an serious operation.

So yeah, I think LP helped. I’m glad for every Biden vote. I’m glad to see disgust on for or Trump voters faces. It makes me happy.

Big Blue Marble

(5,468 posts)
14. The Lincoln Project will be with us in GA.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:37 AM
Nov 2020

They are already starting their campaign to beat Purdue and Loeffler.

They will be there on the air, on the internet, and on the ground fighting with
us to get the senate back.

Big Blue Marble

(5,468 posts)
15. Their goal was to shift just 4% of the Republican vote to Democratic vote in swing states.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:40 AM
Nov 2020

I think they succeeded.

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
16. I agree...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:40 AM
Nov 2020

They have also committed to work toward removing trump's enablers in the Senate and in the House which definitely need a massive cleansing.


theaocp

(4,366 posts)
18. They are not reasonable. They are Republicans. Fuck them.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:44 AM
Nov 2020

Keep the good dogs on tight leashes if you must.

womanofthehills

(9,294 posts)
69. Did you see their tons of adds or listen to their podcasts - I bet not.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020

They made some of the best adds of the campaign. They recognize a dictator when they see one. They are continuing to help us win the Georgia senate races.

Response to theaocp (Reply #18)

andym

(5,696 posts)
21. The Lincoln Project certainly moved some Republicans into Biden's column
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:57 AM
Nov 2020

the problem is that there are a bunch of enthusiastic Trump supporters from both parties (Democrats in registration only, like in Miami) who came out of the woodwork to support their cult leader.

Johnny2X2X

(21,788 posts)
22. Millions of republicans voted for Joe Biden
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Nov 2020

All across the country, unfortunately they voted for GOP down ticket, but they voted Biden over Trump.

Greybnk48

(10,399 posts)
23. AND, they were important to some of us psychologically.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:03 PM
Nov 2020

I LOVED their ads, and they showed that there were still some conservative Americans who had not bought into Trumpism at it’s darkest.

Nasruddin

(852 posts)
35. Group therapy
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

As some say, they functioned as group therapy for Dems.

They look more like cherry-picking or confirmation bias, tho. We should never have believed that they had any traction on the rest of the Republicans who favor Mr Trump - he always had 90% approval & the other 10% were the shy Trump voters.

Blecht

(3,805 posts)
25. No doubt they helped. And are continuing to help
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
We’re staying in the fight: to defeat Trumpism we must also defeat David Purdue.

Let’s elect Jon Ossoff.


George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Georgia is a GREAT example of what their effect was. Up until this morning, the last time....
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

...Democrats won Georgia was way back in 1992 with a Southern Governor for our candidate. Before that was 1976/1980 with a Southern Governor from GEORGIA for our candidate.

DinahMoeHum

(22,495 posts)
28. They're not going back to the GOP. They've burnt those bridges.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

And in any event, there is a saying: It is neither American nor Christian to nag a repentant sinner to the grave.

And besides, they made for great entertainment on YouTube with their nightly "Breakdown"
show and Tara Setmayer's pussycat Tiki on Fridays.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,900 posts)
29. They have my respect.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:26 PM
Nov 2020

We complain about nearly half of our voters and almost every Republican politician still choosing Trump after four years of hell - well these guys didn’t choose Trump. In fact they went a step further and voted for Biden. And they went after some of the worst Republicans as well.

I hate hypocrisy. They are not hypocrites.

wiggs

(8,040 posts)
31. Totally. And shame on the Romneys, Mattis, Tillerson, Bolton, Kelly and more who KNEW
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:32 PM
Nov 2020

what a limited, corrupt, dangerous man was in the WH and didn't do all they could to let Americans know what they know. Many more could be added to the list...former officials, former WH staff, former military. A sentence here or there at a private event isn't enough.

Nasruddin

(852 posts)
33. Admiration is one thing
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:34 PM
Nov 2020

I admire them for their courage. They're never going to eat in the Republican mess hall again, & that was one lucrative life. They are people with some principles. They don't agree with a lot of ours but they can be worked with. It's good to know.

I'm with Charles Pierce on their effectiveness. 0 in moving Republicans - a lot more people voted for Mr Trump this time than 2016 & with a lot less reason to do so. Maybe good at rattling some of the campaign honchos & knocking them & the Trump inner circle off their game a little - hard to tell.

This needs to be studied very carefully & debated. I'm thinking the ads were even counterproductive - nearly half the electorate sees the garbage Mr Trump & his regime do, & they like it. The ads just reinforce it for them. How do you run a negative ad campaign against a candidate whose every failing makes him/her more attractive to delusional voters? I think that some of these effectiveness questions can be quantified.

JudyM

(29,524 posts)
41. We have a lot of work to do, including studying/quantifying communication efforts all around.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:47 PM
Nov 2020

If we could start using cognitive/behavioral science to inform the crafting of our messaging, that would be time and money particularly well spent.

pandr32

(12,202 posts)
34. I am proud to have them alongside
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:37 PM
Nov 2020

No plans to start disparaging any of them. They are our friends and fellow Americans. We could not have toppled DT without their help. Their ads were killer.

DallasNE

(7,569 posts)
38. Incumbent Republican Senators
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:40 PM
Nov 2020

Outperformed Trump at the top of the ticket so Trump seemed to benefit from their coattails. But that is bothersome because it shows support for trumpism but without Trump.

And it is widely expected that Trump will immediately start campaigning for 2024. SDNY and NY AG may have something to say here.

Lastly, who all will Trump pardon? Obviously, his entire family including himself.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,883 posts)
39. They can still be helpful if they get some swing-voting repubs in the senate
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:41 PM
Nov 2020

This monolithic thing of all repub senators voting the same has got to stop!!! More of them voting their conscience instead of what Mitch tells them to would be an improvement. It hasnt always been that way.

paulkienitz

(1,320 posts)
48. I said from the beginning of this that I would gladly make peace and cooperate with conservatives,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

so long as they stood with me against fascism. I am thankful to all who have done so... though the vote totals show that they ended up being an awfully small fraction of the 2016 GOP voters.

0nirevets

(415 posts)
49. Totally agree. Their content and message was always based on facts and reality.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:06 PM
Nov 2020

Moving forward we will surely disagree on policy, but I'll take reality-based and fact-based opponents any day compared with the constant spin, distortions, and outright lies of today's amoral rank and file right-wingers.

ancianita

(38,674 posts)
50. You don't care what I say, then, which is they are STILL Republicans.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:09 PM
Nov 2020

There are Republicans who see reality and Republicans who don't. But they all still sit as Republicans together politically. The smart ones are trying to teach the stupid ones, but we must be careful that they don't take advantage of our trust as they go forward to save their party's political credibility. And they're going to try to do that.

Their political goals of no/low taxes, small government, for profit medicine and fewer entitlements still make our relationship with them NO-COMPROMISE DIFFERENCES.

They've gone where the money is during this campaign.

We should thank them and get on with governing.

IronLionZion

(46,998 posts)
51. Dems need to fight hard for the Senate
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:09 PM
Nov 2020

Georgia's 2 seats this year and then lay the groundwork for 2022. Mitch is going to make life very difficult if he's still in charge.

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
52. The Lincoln Project
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020

If nothing else are Patriots in the real meaning of the word. We may , and undoubtedly will, disagree on policy matters but ....well, I'd rather deal with SANE and patriotic opponents than fascists and idiots.

Thank you TLP for your help and for being true to America and our ideals.

gibraltar72

(7,629 posts)
55. I agree and Schmidts eloquent take downs
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:17 PM
Nov 2020

and Rick Wilsons acerbic wit did wonders in making people sit up and take notice.

cstanleytech

(27,056 posts)
56. They did not help out of the goodness of their hearts though as they got what they wanted which is
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

a corrupted SCOTUS and Federal courts that will likely rule in their favor.
Now that they have that they want Trump gone so they can support someone who will pass policies that will help the large corporations.

Pepsidog

(6,312 posts)
57. The did the right and honorable thing when America faced its greatest threat. Republicans are
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:27 PM
Nov 2020

masters of messaging whether it’s for good or bad. I appreciate that they saw the threat and, unlike most republicscums, did the right thing. Even if they didn’t change any minds, which I’m sure they did, it was sure fun watching them.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
58. Prove it
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:29 PM
Nov 2020

I don't mean that in the school yard sense. It's just hard for me to see any evidence that they moved the needle one way or another. They didn't seem to have much influence over senate elections or bajeezus Lindsey would be gone. Looking at the polls, the vast majority of us decided in March.

belpejic

(729 posts)
66. I think one of the problems is that they didn't have a huge ad budget
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:05 PM
Nov 2020

So they didn't make big buys. Therefore, it will be hard to tell how truly consequential they were.

I liked being able to see what it looks like when Democratic candidates and issues are given the Republican spin job. I think that there are a lot of messaging lessons to be learned, and that in itself is very valuable. Just having our communications people and thought leaders learn from some of the Republicans' spin masters is, I think, a big deal.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
59. They took a principled stand at great personal expense to their own careers
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:33 PM
Nov 2020

History will remember them well.

SayItLoud

(1,732 posts)
60. Where were the haters during the run up to the election?
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

Now that the die is cast they chatter and hate.

peggysue2

(11,493 posts)
61. I'm right there with you, Boogiemack
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:43 PM
Nov 2020

Anyone and everyone who helped rid us of Donald Trump deserves a 'thank you'. For giving the country a chance to put things right and reclaim our future.

And yes, now onto the Senate then clean out more of these suckers in 2022 and beyond!

Never forget, never forgive.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. Absolutely. They've kept me reminded that not all
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:48 PM
Nov 2020

conservatives are vulnerable to this destructive mass sociopathy the rest are caught up by. We will still need every one of them desperately.

Indykatie

(3,853 posts)
65. Biden Required the Broadest Coalition Ever Assembled to Beat Trump in a Relatively Close Race
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 01:53 PM
Nov 2020

Some may not like that truth but it's a fact. Many groups and factions will want to claim credit for our win but no one group or faction can claim it was solely because of them. America is a divided country and that hasn't changed with Biden's election. Half the country voted for Trump and that's the scariest sh*t I've seen.

Roc2020

(1,718 posts)
67. The effect on the election to beat Trump by LP is incalculable
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

They beat him down and the effect energized Dems/Independents and may have scarped off just enough Repubs for Biden

vsrazdem

(2,188 posts)
68. The Lincoln Project did nothing for this election. More republicans voted
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:09 PM
Nov 2020

for Trump this time than the last election. It was a total fail except for their ability to try to take over the democratic party.

VA_Jill

(10,931 posts)
70. I agree
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:12 PM
Nov 2020

The ads were great, and I think they did as much to switch a few votes as any other ads might have. I'm never sure how much political advertising makes a difference anyway. Most ads are just annoying, but theirs were great.

radius777

(3,814 posts)
83. +1. I like their confidence and toughness, we need more of that,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:43 PM
Nov 2020

as Carvillle (himself a political legend) also said about TLP.

In politics it's not just about policy and ideology - you have to show yourself as fearless and confident to convince people to follow you.

PufPuf23

(9,242 posts)
85. The Lincoln Project are dead ender GOP neocons that want to survive.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:57 PM
Nov 2020

Thought their videos were clever and hard hitting direct (which begs the question of if the DNC is so smart and we are so enlightened how come the Democratic side could not come up with the professionals to do similar or better?).

Not so certain that the Lincoln Project did that well in getting votes for the Democratic party. Most of us are a tad disappointed in not taking a mjority in the Senate and losing seats in the House and having Biden win but not in a stampede. Looks to me like Democrats were the main viewing audience of the Lincoln Project and were pacified and lost steam in doing our own dirty work.

86. I salute them
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 10:30 AM
Nov 2020

I think people like Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens and Rick Wilson are true patriots that love our country. I say a big thank you.

RVN VET71

(2,786 posts)
87. Lincoln Project people will be strong allies
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 10:56 AM
Nov 2020

or formidable foes. The Dems have to welcome them into the Party, open-armed and grateful for their support. Failing that, the Dems will have the same sharp and intelligent minds that galvanized voters and exposed the murderous cowardice of Trump and company as adversaries.

The Lincoln Project people can and will give the Dems an IV of testosterone. -- if the Dems will have it.

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