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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSteve Schmidt just called out news orgs on their bullshit
[The decision desks of the news orgs know the math is impossible for Donald Trump to overcome, the longer its delayed the longer you allow trump to sow doubt about the election]
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Funtatlaguy
(10,892 posts)Cetacea
(7,367 posts)He deserves accolades for that.
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sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)And I'm sure he would love to be the one on air when the call is made, so I doubt he's in favor of continuing to wait.
Funtatlaguy
(10,892 posts)trash all of the networks for not calling the race yet.
BlueNIndiana
(94 posts)I agree with Steve that they shoudl call these states fro Biden.
First the networks are afraid of Trump and the GOP as always.
Second if they call them "early" it wil be labeled as bias as usual.
I agree the outcome is not in doubt.
Joe Biden will be the next president of the United States barring any Suprme Court nuilification (end of democracy) or State legislature (end of democracy) scenarios.
I do nto bleiev that will happoen but it could.
Just cause the laws says they can't does not mean they wont try.
The past four years people said Trump could not do this Trump can not do that. The courst and the congress wont stand for it yet they still did.
calimary
(81,556 posts)I wish they'd call it for Biden, too.
Let's be done with it!
Full disclosure, though - I've been waiting a LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNG time to declare trump FIRED. At least four years!
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)Call the motherfucker.
EVDebsforPresident
(49 posts)Math is impossible anyway.
He is absolutely correct.
They have a RESPONSIBILITY to our democracy to call it now.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)Or fool the Fool into thinking he still has a chance. Its only prolonging the agony of this Presidency for the rest of us. End it now!
If Trumps got some authoritarian end game in mind, lets see it. I want this shit over with. I want to get on with my life.
Farmgirl1961
(1,494 posts)There needs to be some kind of announcement. I'm going back to the idea of waiting for PA to reach a certain threshold as with that state, Biden's clinched the nomination. The question is this -- what does that threshold need to be?
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)goes on, the less he can argue with it.
coti
(4,612 posts)The longer it goes on, the more opportunity to spread lies and interfere with the process politically, and the more an air of uncertainty and unreliability re the voting numbers.
58Sunliner
(4,421 posts)and conspiracies. That was the plan. It would now be better to acknowledge the reality of the votes left IMO.
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)true
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malaise
(269,237 posts)Fuck them all
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Trump is holding everyone hostage. Enough. He is, and always has been, an empty suit. We cannot begin to move on until we tell this man to kiss off.
Stop being afraid of this charlatan.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)Honestly I think NC should be called for Trump along with PA, AZ, NV for Biden and GA for Biden but acknowledging that a recount is all but certain.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)Then Trump does at all of those states except for Georgia. Depending on how many ballots that are actually left in NC, then Biden will close the gap their and possibly get into recount territory if there are recounts NC and possibly even overtake him.
NC is not really comparable to PA,GA and NV. Biden is ahead in all those states and we know most of which left is from Democratic strongholds. The could them right now. Honestly they could've called PA days ago it not unusual to call state for a candidate who is behind when they know where the rest of vote is coming from. I suspect they probably would've called most of these if it weren't for all of Trumps whining.
littlemissmartypants
(22,841 posts)standingtall
(2,787 posts)and they are mail ins. If trend in other states were Biden is getting 75% holds in NC it's doable. The Senate race there is a bit tougher though. Estimated ballots are all over the place. I've heard as many as 2 million ballots didn't believe it. Heard there was 460,000 sounds reasonable. Heard there were only 99,000 sounds kind of low.
littlemissmartypants
(22,841 posts)Captain Zero
(6,845 posts)Everybody stop and ask. Is my post overly VAGUE?
littlemissmartypants
(22,841 posts)Once again. . .
Estimated ballots to be counted. Two hours old. North Carolina results. What else do you want? It's a moving target.
In the time taken by this transaction it's probably changed.
It is a direct response to a question. It doesn't exist in a vacuum, unlike snide remarks which always suck. Pun intended.
Look up your own numbers and back off.
Botany
(70,627 posts)... would have called it a long time ago.
I want to see what Biden's real #s are as opposed to Trump's and after what
Trump has done to America and the world i find it impossible to figure how
Trump added 6 million more voters from 2016.
Funny how many mail in ballots that were "lost" that would have added to
Biden and other D's #s.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)And only do things that the Republicans would fully approve of and accept complete defeat in victory... For the sake of unifying the country, while they stoke a civil war and refuse to accept defeat for their Dear Leader.
The Democratic Leadership MUST call out Republican traitors and saboteurs every chance their pop their heads up or out of their damn turtle shell, and by all means if there is anything dirty in their backgrounds, then they need to be quickly exposed and/or prosecuted. Enough of this shit of only the Dems being vilified for questionable crap, while Republicans get away with fraud, being disloyal to the United States and American People, and getting away with organized crime against the country. How many times have the Republicans stabbed Dems in the back for the last 6 years alone and tried to completely destroy the Dems, before the Dems wake up and expose the Republican feces laying around everywhere? They are NOT your damn friends!!!
Botany
(70,627 posts).... cheating nationwide but the GOP playbook is to pretend they "are the patriots and Americans"
and strut around like they are king shits of the world.
It is time to put our boots on their necks and show the world what5 no good shits they are and just
how far they are in bed with the Russians.
Cha
(297,886 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)Caution turning into cowardice.
Cha
(297,886 posts)misanthrope
(7,433 posts)All of these pundits do because it increases their opportunities for visibility.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)I'm sure Steve would like this to be over so he can take a few days off, and spend time with his family.
Ligyron
(7,640 posts)As America watches with rapt attention, who, who I ask you will be the next POTUS? Stay tuned as ... ratings go through the roof?
Sure isn't going to hurt 'em any.
doc03
(35,414 posts)Outside of a few isolated incidents, no. There's not going to be widespread violence. Sometimes we're just as bad as the reich wing when it comes to "boogeymen".
paleotn
(17,990 posts)UrbanProspector
(44 posts)Don't release important news items about Dems during the main news cycle, expect the announce later tonight if not tomorrow IMHO.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)spooky3
(34,510 posts)MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)They should call Nevada. Fox and the AP will just have to deal with their Arizona call, which looks like it was correct.
You can also call Biden the apparent winner of Georgia, pending a recount.
NC called for Trump, same with Alaska.
Pennsylvania too close with Biden ahead and likely to remain ahead.
To not call it this way is chickenshit. Because its the reality.
SDANation
(419 posts)birdographer
(1,367 posts)before all the votes are counted, trump will just file a lawsuit that it was called before all the votes were counted. He has the slimmest of slim almost-nonexistent ability to get to 270 the way it is now, but he could do it. All the votes must be counted, period. JMO, obviously, but any straying from by-the-book opens the door for him to get his foot in legally. Let's just let it play out. Count all the votes. Close every door to him.
SDANation
(419 posts)they used for the other 35 states they have called already
coti
(4,612 posts)and can't be sued over. It's a political idea and a means of informing and bringing the people together in a common understanding.
It is more likely to PREVENT lawsuits than create them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)being followed to see what is happening.
DeminPennswoods
(15,292 posts)The cable networks know how the vote is going in PA. This is especially true with the last drop of mailed ballots in PA. They came from Westmoreland county, a Trump stronghold, yet went 60+% for Biden. Westmoreland and Crawford (directly below Erie county) county are the strong Trump counties that had/have the largest chuck (4k ish each) of mailed ballots to count. Everything else is in Biden/Dem areas.
SDANation
(419 posts)Over and the news orgs know it.
GOFM
(15 posts)They get more viewers and will call it during prime time.
area51
(11,932 posts)I've been wondering if the news orgs are waiting until the weekend to call it.
I've been lurking for a very long time now. Over two years. Always felt too shy and intimidated to chime in!
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)you can chime in anytime. We don't bite here!!!
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)forkol
(114 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:27 PM - Edit history (1)
made many more votes skew absentee, and so there was such a large absentee vote to process, and that it would take days or even weeks this time to count in a close race. Normally, it's quite small and in general does not change the results of a race much.
And even though in PA they now see trend lines, they did not know that at first, and they can't assume that it may continue that way even with provisional votes as well.
They did call the AZ Senate race, mainly because of that percentage difference. I would think if Biden gets enough they will call it.
TinCup
(54 posts)They are afraid of Trump and that is why they haven't done it yet. There is no mathematical path for Trump to win. Steve brought us Sarah Palin which is something he is obviously trying to make up for that mistake.
Roc2020
(1,619 posts)Yes understand the caution, but as obvious as the paint on the wall Biden won. Networks are milking for every eyeball and ad $$
misanthrope
(7,433 posts)These are businesses. They exist to make money. This is great for ratings which translates into ad revenue.
And yes, it's biggest news story of the moment in the United States, but think about it from another angle. If there's only actual, tangible news to report when the tallies are updated, then why the wall-to-wall, constant coverage? Why don't they go with the other news that's out there and only update this when new figures come in? Why are they running ads in windows so they can keep flashing the same, nearly static vote totals on the bottom of the screen?
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Murdoch already told trump he is done
58Sunliner
(4,421 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)marble falls
(57,405 posts)I am disgusted.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,537 posts)We probably wont get a call until Monday or Tuesday at this rate.
AdamGG
(1,296 posts)If the election is still uncalled with the outcome up in the air, they get higher ratings and bring in more ad revenue. That's why they aired all of Trump's asinine rallies from the very beginning.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)That's the way I see it. The others are waiting for Fox News, the "legitamate" outfit in the eyes of the Trumpers to call it. That minimizes chances of violent protests. But Fox isn't going to call it until the AP does, cause Fox needs the cover.
And/or maybe they are all waiting to call 4 states at once, and deliver a knock-out punch to Trump?
bdamomma
(63,941 posts)they should just continue to count the votes, I like to hear Trump's numbers are decreasing.
I'm trying to stay away from cable right now. I will stay here and check out sites for stats.
Hey I'm not in a hurry.
But it would sweet if Fox news calls it, of course tRump will implode (may be a good thing)
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)if Trump goes full-tilt bozo, down-the-road, bat-shit crazy! The ratings will be terrific!
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)Where they called it for Bush, then retracted and called it for Gore and finally retracted and said too close to call.
But they sure could call NV, which would take Biden to 270 and President-elect status. Indeed, I believe NV is more solid than AZ at this point. I also see no reason for not calling NC for Trump, though it is meaningless at this point. At this point I don't see any more lead changes happening.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Lots of it.
You got a beef with capitalism bud?
Horse races create financial opportunities.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)Lanius
(601 posts)Most of the votes that were out in Pennsylvania were from very blue areas. Calling Penn would have given Biden 273 electoral votes and the win!
IMO the networks didn't call the election sooner because (like someone else posted) they fear Trump and the GOP, and they loved how the entire world was glued to their channels 24/7 for the last week. Never forget that, in America, the news media are for-profit corporations.