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DLCWIdem

(1,511 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:16 PM Nov 2020

MSNBC had an analyst who said COVID wasn't what took Trump down

The analyst said he won in all the places where COVID is surging. However that analysis is backward and flawed. Couldn't it be the other way around.
. Trump went to those places where he knew he had supporters and he thought he could win them with his rallies and brought COVID with him. And those places are disporportionately not using masks.

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MSNBC had an analyst who said COVID wasn't what took Trump down (Original Post) DLCWIdem Nov 2020 OP
FWIW, I agree with you 100%. tanyev Nov 2020 #1
The analyst is stupid. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #2
Trump won where covid is surging because his base are covidiots Spider Jerusalem Nov 2020 #3
I think your analysis is spot on M_Demo_M Nov 2020 #4
Yes if that was their analysis, that's pretty facile. unblock Nov 2020 #5
Said analyst needs Disaffected Nov 2020 #6
Ditto. BlueWavePsych Nov 2020 #7
He told those people what they wanted to hear, that all would Hortensis Nov 2020 #8
Covid didn't take Trump down. judeling Nov 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author snowybirdie Nov 2020 #10
They seem snowybirdie Nov 2020 #11
If he had handled it right it would have helped him because the Nation rallies around the leader Quixote1818 Nov 2020 #12
I live in one of those places blogslut Nov 2020 #13
He was right that he could shoot someone on the street Hortensis Nov 2020 #14
I can't explain it blogslut Nov 2020 #15
You're not an authoritarian eager for a strongman to Hortensis Nov 2020 #16
I don't understand your post title nt intrepidity Nov 2020 #17
Sorry I just realized i forgot a word. Took Trump down DLCWIdem Nov 2020 #19
I agree with your take on it. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #18

Ms. Toad

(33,732 posts)
2. The analyst is stupid.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:33 PM
Nov 2020

It is absolutely predictable that the Trump cult, which adopted his disdain for masks, will have much higher COVID rates because masks prevent the transmission.

He only visited a handful of places, relatively speaking, so the rallies are a bonus means of spread.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
3. Trump won where covid is surging because his base are covidiots
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:37 PM
Nov 2020

who think wearing a mask infringes on their freedom, so of course they're having more cases.

M_Demo_M

(158 posts)
4. I think your analysis is spot on
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:39 PM
Nov 2020

and makes much more sense than MSNBC's. There's a correlation to be sure, but they jumped to the wrong conclusion.

unblock

(51,792 posts)
5. Yes if that was their analysis, that's pretty facile.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:41 PM
Nov 2020

COVID is surging in states Donnie won for a common reason -- they listen to and support donnie. They voted for him and they behave recklessly regarding COVID.

The real question is what happened in battleground states.

Did covid cost him votes in those states, say, because people who might have otherwise voted for him finally had enough of him due to his lethal incompetence?

Or did covid help him, say because people who might have voted against him weren't able to because they were afraid to vote in person and didn't bother to do the paperwork for mail-in, or they missed a deadline, or they were physically unable due to being in the hospital or, in some cases, actually died from covid.

I think it's some of both, the question is which effect was larger in the key states. I suspect it cost him on the whole, but it's not entirely clear.

Of course, who knows what might have happened absent covid. We might have had a recession anyway, and without the covid excuse, that might have play out poorly for Donnie.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. He told those people what they wanted to hear, that all would
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:02 PM
Nov 2020

be fine. Biden told them to be ready for dark days. And, as someone pointed out, the grieving people with empty chairs Biden spoke of are very few compared to the whole. Yes, 250 thousand dead, but out of 328 million. It's not coming home to most.

Someone else was pointing out that distrust of both media and pollsters is especially high in those areas. They don't believe what they're told, and they often lie to pollsters IF they answer at all, and higher numbers do refuse to participate, resulting in skewed polls.

Those are a couple I remember from discussion about why Covid didn't cause more people to turn to someone who'd stop the pandemic. Oh, and a lot of people see the pandemic as an unfortunate event that Trump isn't responsible for.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
9. Covid didn't take Trump down.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:03 PM
Nov 2020

If it wasn't Covid it would have been something else. Covid shaped the campaign but probably didn't effect the election all that much. That is the result of the extreme polarization.

It could be argued that Covid helped Trump as it essentially overwhelmed the issue set.

Response to DLCWIdem (Original post)

Quixote1818

(28,861 posts)
12. If he had handled it right it would have helped him because the Nation rallies around the leader
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

when a tragedy hits. But he fucked it up so it did do a bit of damage ONLY because of his response.

blogslut

(37,921 posts)
13. I live in one of those places
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:31 PM
Nov 2020

It's redder than all of y'all.

We're at a 30% hospitalization rate. 95% of our city services have closed to the public. We've run out of ICU space. I've watched the death toll go from zero, to one a week, to one a day, to 4-5 a day.

I've left the confines of my apartment complex exactly 6 times since March. 3 to vote (there was a runoff) and once on my damned birthday.

My district voted for the monster that did this to them by obscene margins and he didn't even come here.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. He was right that he could shoot someone on the street
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:34 PM
Nov 2020

without losing votes. He didn't say he could be responsible for a quarter million deaths that didn't have to be, but that turned out to be the case. They chose to believe it was just a natural event he couldn't stop. Against all evidence.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. You're not an authoritarian eager for a strongman to
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:53 PM
Nov 2020

give over the burden of responsibility in a democracy to a strongman. One who'll also gratifyingly smite those who so unreasonably don't respect your decisions. Then there's the little issue of bigotry.

I've read that the percentages who behave that way are fluid, with more looking for a strong leader to protect them in scary times, but that there are this many behaving that way...as you say.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,836 posts)
18. I agree with your take on it.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 07:01 PM
Nov 2020

Trump supporters' refusal to take the pandemic seriously caused their higher infection rates.

Higher infection rates didn't create Trump voters!

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