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PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. Could Pfizer have waited to announce this on purpose?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

Did they want to make sure Trump couldn't take electoral advantage of their scientific efforts?

Or is it just a coincidence?

still_one

(92,190 posts)
2. Pfizer did this without government financial support or part of his warp speed plan
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

but to your point, it really serves him right.

He took credit for President Obama's economy when he took office, and again the Democrats are going to have to clean up after the mess the republicans have left us


Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
5. Right. But if they took money from the government and if Trump catch wind about the results,
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:16 PM
Nov 2020

would you have any doubts that Trump wouldn't rush the announcement?

still_one

(92,190 posts)
9. Of course, and he is trying to claim credit for this. I wonder if he realizes that Pfizer
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

was in partnership with German Company BioNTech SE (BNTX)

I am sure Merkel is smiling


Dem2

(8,168 posts)
3. It didn't effect the election
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

It would have been highly inappropriate for them to announce before the election.

Oh, and I don't give two chits about his feelings.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
6. Of course he will.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:16 PM
Nov 2020

I have already seen people complaining about the timing of the announcement. I question about how they can claim it is 90% effective, seems like it would take a lot more testing over a long period.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
17. As I understand it,
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:56 PM
Nov 2020

of those phase 3 trial participants (those who got the vaccine plus those who got the placebo), 90% of those who happened to contract the virus afterwards were in the placebo group.

IIRC there were some 14K participants from a variety or racial backgrounds and countries so the results, if accurately stated, are statistically very important. It's only prelim results however and not peer reviewed so the final results may vary somewhat.

And, I don't believe there is any especially good idea at this point of how long the immunity will last (routine shots may be required).

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
7. He still let people die
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:16 PM
Nov 2020

A promise of a vaccine is not a policy. Moreover, we are still a long way from everyone being fully innoculated.

Trump needed to focus the population on measures that would keep people alive now. He didn't

He failed to lead.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. No question. If that had come out earlier, it would have been another October
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

Surprise that Could have turned the election.

Wouldn’t have changed fact he mismanaged the pandemic, cost lives, and was otherwise a cruddy President. I doubt that Pfizer deliberately delayed the announcement, though.

Yonnie3

(17,437 posts)
10. I suspect he is bummed about a lot of things lately.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:19 PM
Nov 2020

Although angry might be a better description.

He's also paranoid. In his "mind" everything is a plot to make him look bad.

Of course, as they say, "Even paranoids have enemies."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
14. He probably will
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:26 PM
Nov 2020

But I just read this morning that Pfizer is not part of the government operation warp speed.

And since they're partnering with a European firm, I think I'd be inclined to take this vaccine, provided the continuing tests and trials demonstrate its efficacy.

I never use the word efficacy in speaking to people, but in writing? I love using that word.

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