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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI still say that laughing at Trump's attempt to overthrow the election will allow it to happen.
It's going to get serious fast even though there is no evidence to support it.
Trump has to be called out as attempting to steal the election.
This has to become the primary message or else he is going to succeed.
If everyone simply plays defense by saying there is no evidence, Trump will overcome Biden.
I don't know how but I know playing defence will allow Trump to win because that's what he wants.
The media has to attack him as illegally attempting to overthrow the election.
He has to be exposed as the criminal he is, not just a misguided fool.
We've seen this before.
Against impossibly ridiculous odds Trump claims something insane.
People point out it's insane and laugh.
Suddenly he wins and gets what he wants.
He's building towards a coup and all the Republicans will support him unless the narrative changes to see him as a criminal instead of a fool.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)This is what will happen
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This is insane. The chances are it will fizzle into farce but there's also a chance it won't.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)in the media. This is seditious and abusive. Call your reps/senators and ask why we have not heard a united front criticizing these actions.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)He appointed someone to dismantle the Post Office before the election. If it can be proved that was his intent, and he has been whining about election fraud since 2016... is there any way to impeach him for Election Tampering with a Denial of Service attack on mail in voting?
He's been suing to keep valid votes from being counted without evidence. Without evidence, can't that be considered attempting to RIG the election through Vote Suppression?
He's supported violence against his political opponent and opponent's party. All his crazy talk is "inciting to riot" and his people are going to protests with guns and attempting to run hummers into election counting stations. Inciting to Riot is behavior unbecoming of a President. A misdemeanor to add to Election Tampering charges.
NANCY?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He has already convinced his followers he legitimately won. They are also convinced the media is lying and the Democrats too. This pretty much leaves the courts. They will decide. So far they have not gone along with this.
Cha
(297,196 posts)all been paying Attention to WTF trump has been doing the last 4 years.
Everyone from Biden on down is taking this Very Seriously.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Late and going to sleep.
I didn't need this negativity after nights on end without sleep. Only to be happy for a day and now this.
Hugs my friend. We will do this.
Cha
(297,196 posts)it & then came back when I realized President Elect Biden & VP elect Harris and their Esteemed Team are Not Laughing. Neither is Nancy Pelosi or the House Dems or the Senate Dems.
And they are the ones who are out there on The Front Lines Fighting for us.. while some are taking pot shots at them.
onetexan
(13,040 posts)and not at all unexpected given the person the Con is. Not sure why the poster thinks everyone is laughing. This is damn serious.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)My biggest concern is that it will undermine Pres. Biden when he does take the Oath.
And he will.
100%
onetexan
(13,040 posts)& square. Only the Con's rabid base will believe this crap which does not matter. I still am of the opinion Dubya was illegitimate, and of course 2016 was stolen so the Con is clearly illegitimate.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He has no reason to make any personnel changes at this point, and he's firing top military and nuclear personnel? This is more than fundraising, or sowing doubt. This is serious abuse of power for reasons that can only be guessed. Well I'm guessing and I don't like it.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)So, I'm not surprised but am surprised you are.
Trump has nothing to lose now. He isn't going to be governing come late January, so, he will be petty and fire those who dared question him at any point in his presidency.
JI7
(89,248 posts)underpants
(182,791 posts)This is completely in each states control. Just because he tweets something doesnt mean anything. His lawsuits are complete bullshit.
radius777
(3,635 posts)All of his lawsuits have been laughed out of court. Even the hard-right Texas Supreme Court voted 9-0 to allow the drive-thru votes that the GOP wanted to throw out. Then the Appeals court judge (also hard right) upheld the decision.
So thus far none of the courts have gone along with the GOP's schemes, and are highly unlikely to, as it would disrupt not only this election but our entire democratic framework: it would mean that any losing candidate could go to court and try to 'find' reasons for why they lost. Courts generally look down on such attempts.
Biden has also been widely accepted by the mainstream media (and all sane people) as the President-elect, and the peaceful transfer of power is something that institutions (such as courts) value highly, whether the judges be conservative or liberal.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)rustysgurl
(1,040 posts).. but at some point I have to trust that Biden and his team, as well as any sane individuals left in Washington and the legal system will put a stop to his bullshit. As other posters have said, I don't think there's a mainstream news outlet that isn't calling him on this (well Fox vacillates depending on the host).
If I didn't think Biden had this I probably wouldn't get any sleep between now and Inauguration Day. I am more concerned about the domestic terrorism organizations (Proud Boys and their ilk), or some lone wingnut flying off the handle and shooting up a store or school or church or whatever.
I'm tired. We're all tired. I'd like to say certainly, Trump's attempt at a coup (if indeed that's what he's doing) won't stand, but given what Barr, et al are doing, who the hell knows anymore?
C Moon
(12,213 posts)catbyte
(34,376 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)They thought that was funny. They didn't take him seriously. Then he started to win all the GOP primaries. Then he won. And eventually he was in almost every story Huffington Post reported.
We're not repeating that mistake. We must and are taking this guy seriously. Sure, he's a clown, but a dangerous clown who is supported like a messiah by 90% of base Republicans. They will literally do anything for him. But the business community has turned on him because of his incompetence. He will be gone on January 20.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)I remember all the people here Tuesday night saying it was over, Trump won, we are all doomed.
Pardon me if I dont shudder at the latest example of breathless melodrama and hyperbole. Ill continue to laugh at Trump. He will be mocked and widely derided. His suits will not be successful. He will no longer be president on 1/20/21.
Trashing thread. Ignore.
NJCher
(35,663 posts)He is being placated until he gets used to his loss. Remember that even people like McConnell have to deal with him carefully because he is such a loose cannon.
The best sources for how people play along with him are Boltons book and Mary trumps book.
Already he is talking about running in 2024. This shows he is coming to terms with it.
When he accepts it, all these doj investigations and the rest of his nonsense will stop.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Personally, I find his behavior depraved and disgusting. If anything, it proves the man and his enablers have no respect for the country or its long-term welfare.
On the other hand, I'm not out there buying razor blades. From everything I've read, Trump and his questionable legal team have no case because they have no evidence. Screaming fraud and/or making wild accusations is not enough in a court of law.
So yes, we need to remain vigilant and informed. But no wrist-slitting is required.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)There's no convincing the flock now. They'll go nuts until we let Trump have another four years.
What happened America? Show me on the orange where he touched you.
Cha
(297,196 posts)the deep end...
trump lost.. We are Not giving up our country because he's a fucking poor Loser.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)...after every republican in office and half the country jump on the bandwagon and claim votes tossed, votes added, and election stolen in plain sight. They'll demand a massive recount in all 50 states or a complete do-over. They already have mentioned those things, all they need is the backing of the courts, or at least that's what they hope. That's why they laugh off that the media has declared Biden the winner.
Most certainly they'll try to corrupt the electors in states with republican governors, and that might work in many. "We know who the people of our state wanted to vote for but it was tainted."
They're desperate. They will try anything to retain power. and they have Fox News to coordinate the effort
DFW
(54,370 posts)Biden put a huge legal team in place precisely because THIS time, we knew what was coming if we won.
No surprise this time. We won and it came, but we were expecting it.
speaknow
(321 posts)not stealing but an out and out coup
make no mistake. The military has to
get involved to save our democracy!
Wake up America! Where the F is the
media wake up call it what it is.
the_sly_pig
(741 posts)and I mean it. I'm not f***ing laughing. You think about all those that have given their lives to protect the Constitution and what this country stands for. Dumpsterfire is finished as president and there's going to be a housecleaning at every Federal agency. That is how it is going to go.
The GOP/Dump cult can circle jerk into oblivion. The world supports Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
No fucking way will he take this victory from us. There would be revolution if it got close to actually happening. People are not going to sit idly by after all the works they put it and just let him take it.
OneBlueSky
(18,536 posts)and the thing he MOST wants to fuck up right now is a transition to a Biden administration . . . because, delusional as it may be, he truly thinks that HE won the election . . . that HE's not the one attempting to steal it . . . and the whole Republican nest of vipers seems to be lining up behind him . . . please do NOT underestimate what this guy is capable of . . . he's Jim Jones, and millions of Americans have drunk the KoolAid . . . 70% of Repugs think it was not a fair election! . . .
now it looks like one of his ways to instill chaos is fucking up our whole national security structure . . . I just hope there will be enough sane people looking after the "football" and our nukes to keep him from ever accessing the nuclear codes . . . don't think he'd try something? . . . then you don't know Donald Trump . . .
Clearly fogged in
(1,896 posts)To prove in court that voter fraud played a role, they could show the court how easily they did it. The court would have to find that the fraud existed.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...political humor can generate deep understanding of issues in a way that static reports do not.