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(85,996 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:10 PM Nov 2020

Brett Kavanaugh Just Agreed The Whole ACA Needn't Be Scrapped

Brian Beutler @brianbeutler
Brett Kavanaugh just said he agrees that IF the mandate without tax penalty is unconstitutional, then it should be severed. So this case is over.

Steve Vladeck @steve_vladeck ·8m
This is the most important line that any Justice could've said at this morning's #ACA argument.

If Justice Kavanaugh believes that the individual mandate is "severable" from the rest of the statute, then there's no way to count to five votes to throw out the *entire* law.




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exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
2. The problem is you can't have a healthcare system
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:15 PM
Nov 2020

without some sort of mandate to prevent free riders. Everybody has to be in the pool or it doesn't work.

Or you get Draconian and reinstitute preexisting conditions. The only difference being if you current health plan goes away for some reason, then the insurance company is obligated to take you on a new plan.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
6. This will probably need to be addressed
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

but at least it sounds like an easier problem to fix than wholesale destruction of the ACA.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
3. Bloomberg just reported that it seemed that Roberts and Kavanaugh seemed hesitant about
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:15 PM
Nov 2020

voiding the ACA

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
8. But an easier issue to fix
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

than blowing up the entire law, right?

Once we have a majority, we can push an appropriate fix via reconciliation, right?

BComplex

(8,050 posts)
12. Yes. We need the majority in the Senate to fix some problems.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:21 PM
Nov 2020

So let's send Stacy Abrams some $$$LOVE$$$

still_one

(92,190 posts)
14. It would make it almost a certainty with that, but I think there are at least 3 republicans in the
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:26 PM
Nov 2020

Senate who might work with the Democrats on this, and if McConnell refuses to bring anything to the floor, repercussions for his party may be felt in 2022 because of that

I think trump is the major obstacle, and with him gone, that won’t be over hanging the hesitancy of some republicans





Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
9. Exactly. It's time for Dems to realize that Medicare for All is the only viable option
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

It is bullet-proof re: the U.S.S.C. I say this as someone who is generally a pragmatist and not a Bernie Bro type. I followed the ACA debates very closely. I was optimistic about the public option and expanded Medicare plan that Lieberman and Baucus derailed. It's clear now that the only way forward is to go all in.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
11. To be honest, this is the way the precedent's work.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:21 PM
Nov 2020

For instance the Section 230 protections on websites were part of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996, much of which got tossed as unconstitutional. Section 230 remains law, while other parts of the act are not law.

MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
13. The law is actually functioning fairly well without the mandate in effect.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:23 PM
Nov 2020

Kavanaugh has signaled this in prior cases, as noted in the OP. He's favored the principle of unconstitutional (in his judgment) parts of laws being severable from the rest of the law. This case is ridiculous, there's no way it should have even been heard, and I'd be shocked if they invalidated the entire law. The really silly part is there may be 4 votes in favor of invalidating the law based on this bullshit argument. I suspect Roberts votes to uphold the law as written, that the mandate is constitutional as an exercise of taxing power (he already said this of course), Kavanaugh concurs in upholding the law but states the mandate is unconstitutional, and my other bet is that Clarence Thomas is an idiot.

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