Big cities delivered for Biden. But they're not sold on him yet.

[JoeOtterbein]

Politico

The former vice president failed to produce the massive big-city margins some Democrats expected. One reason is that Trump surpassed his own 2016 performance in many cities.

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN

11/15/2020 06:50 AM EST

PHILADELPHIA — Democrats were counting on massive big-city margins this year, hoping to avoid a repeat of four years ago when unexpectedly low voter turnout in several key cities helped Donald Trump win the presidency.

But it was suburbia — not large cities — that delivered the over-the-top margins that put Joe Biden in the White House. And in at least a handful of cities in key battleground states this month, Trump actually ran slightly better than in 2016.

Trump improved on his performance in urban areas in part because he did better in mostly white, working-class precincts where he ran strongly four years ago. And in some places, Trump also picked up slightly more votes in neighborhoods with large Latino populations and, to a lesser degree, majority-Black communities.

The results aren’t enough to signal a GOP resurgence in urban America — Biden won overwhelmingly in most big cities. But when paired with Trump expectation-defying performance in predominantly Latino areas in south Texas and Florida, it’s a warning sign for the Democratic Party in the years ahead.

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more at link

[uponit7771]

1. It looks like Trump performe better in all areas save a few then how did he lose?! These articles...

.... start demanding answers from polling companies this is a tragedy

[Squinch]

2. .

[maxsolomon]

66. seconded.

you know what this big city is sold on? fuck trump, that's what we're sold on.

[hlthe2b]

3. Honest question, Joe. Have you EVER posted a positive piece on Biden since the primaries?

If so, I missed it.

[abqtommy]

4. Well, I don't know about that but I do know that the election we just finished does NOT

provide a warning to the Democratic Party. It's a warning to all things tRUMP/reTHUG and
cultist. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and the Democrats are not responsible for tRUMP. We are
the ANTI-tRUMP and we got rid of his skanky ass.

Perspective is everything.

[Turin_C3PO]

9. Not that I've seen.

I'm sick of people who try and divide progressives and the Democratic Party.

[SidDithers]

12. His daughter doesn't write positive pieces on Biden...

so, no.

Sid

[Kahuna]

14. This is true. nt

[JoeOtterbein]

13. I like this one best...

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214543030|

[George II]

25. NBC called it earlier last Saturday morning.

[sheshe2]

30. no

[brooklynite]

31. I wasn''t aware that positive stories were obligatory...

Personally, I don’t need to be told to feel good about the election outcome.

[brooklynite]

33. How is an analysis of voting patterns a "negative attack story"?

Lessons learned from 2020 can inform 2022.

[My Pet Orangutan]

49. The exit polls are flawed.

2/3voyed early, 65m by mail-in. So the pollsters did telephone polls.

[George II]

52. The fact is the analysis is way off base and incorrect. See post #22. Thanks!

[sheshe2]

34. umhm.

[sheshe2]

58. this

[Hortensis]

6. Not even one ANT city is "sold on Biden"? Whoa, is it too late

to run a queen instead?

[JI7]

7. Shit from Politico

[Turin_C3PO]

8. I'm sick of these

articles that attack Biden. Trump and Trumpism was and is the threat here, not Joe Biden.

[NurseJackie]

67. This Politico writer is still bitter. Still grieving. Still wanting revenge (or something).

[Hav]

10. The article itself is better than the headline

I think the headline is misleading. The main focus of the article is about some aspects where Dems did better than in 2016 and some where they could do/have to do better in the future. It's not really targeted against Biden.

I usually dislike these negative and possibly misleading sounding articles but there are some interesting points that one might take into consideration, for instance the targeting of specific groups. Small changes regarding the turnout of your voters can decide the election. Biden won big in Detroit, for example, but the voter turnout was only 50%. He could have netted another 100k votes just there (assuming a high 70s turnout with mail-in voting).

The article also mentions several times that things like the defund the police nonsense didn't help which many here would agree with.

[JoeOtterbein]

11. Thanks for actually reading the article!

It's the best way to learn!

[Cha]

39. Then why would they have a Headline like That?

[JoeOtterbein]

40. Reporters do not write the HEADLINES....

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...editors do.

Like we used to say in the ole days; "The two biggest threats to free speech in America are lawyers and editors".

[George II]

46. If reporters don't write the articles, why do publications have reporters?

[JoeOtterbein]

47. Sorry, but my headline was supposed to be; editors ALWAYS write the "headlines"....

....Thanks! I'll correct now!

[NurseJackie]

15. More anti-Biden shit and negativity from that AWFUL auto-whine reporter.

Her agenda has been clear from the very beginning. Politico is where half-baked writers go to die... when no legit org will hire them... when they're making ten-cents-per-word, the goal is to be a verbose as possible.

Ugh. She's absolutely dreadful.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. Funny name for Holly!

Seriously, do you think that reporters should do their own jobs as objective journalists?

Or do you think they should do our job as democrats to change votes?

[George II]

24. That article isn't a "report", it's highly subjective analysis. Reporting is presenting facts....

...without adding a personal take on those facts.

[sheshe2]

53. So it is an opinion piece?

Am I correct?

[George II]

54. In a word....yes.

[sheshe2]

55. Thanks.

[George II]

56. As we say in New York about something like that..........."go figure"!

[sheshe2]

57. Ha.

I could say something about ... but I am zipping my lip.

[LanternWaste]

75. Did you apply the word 'objective' accidently?

Because the author of the piece is one of the least objective political reporters I've ever read; and consistently writes editorials predicated on their own biases.

[betsuni]

17. It's an article about nothing.

[JoeOtterbein]

19. If we did that, we would be...

...Republicans!

[yardwork]

20. You aren't doing anything to help.

[Cha]

37. TY.. Ain't that the Truth!

[JoeOtterbein]

41. Problem is, for everyone at some point, is that the truth...

...hurts.

Unless, as an well know idiot once said, "the truth is not the truth"!

LOL!

[Cha]

42. Exactly.. TY, yardwork!

[SWBTATTReg]

21. I just love these articles that analyze Joe Biden to the Nth degree, when he's not even

sworn in yet, w/ 2 + months to go. No idea of what his administration will be like, no idea of what the operating environment is going to be like, but I suspect that trump and the GOP thugs won't make it easy for Mr. Biden.

Isn't it a little unfair and a little early to issue such a claim that cities are still waiting on Mr. Biden to deliver something as well as make a overly broad analysis that the Democratic Party missed critical warning signs of something ?

[George II]

23. Wait until he picks his cabinet and the first two or three weeks after being sworn in...

If it's anything like January 2009, it'll be insufferable.

I actually left this site for almost two years because of the bashing of Obama and his "failure" to accomplish all of his campaign promises before spring 2009.

[LeftInTX]

27. He will pick, but it's McTurtle's decision...

[sheshe2]

61. I wasn't here then.

I remember it well. He took office in a near depression. He was trashed for not delivering on his promises as he dug us out of one more shit hole the pukes put us in. The rage against him hurt me.

The same will happen to Biden. It has already started. We are in the midst of a pandemic. 245K dead and it has started. Why hasn't he done.............

[MineralMan]

68. The same kind of thing started as soon as Obama's election was

called in 2008. I remember it like it was yesterday. The "OK, he got elected, but..." articles fired up immediately. We're seeing the same thing now, and there's much, much more of it to come, I'm sad to say.

[SWBTATTReg]

69. Sadly, you're right, but still, I'm pretty damn happy Biden won, and not the worthless wonder

currently in the WH. Our day will come and after listening to the worthless idiot in the WH for over 4 years, it'll be easy to ignore anything else in the future, we've all had training on it! Ha ha...

Take care!

[MineralMan]

70. Yes. It's too bad, though, that the detractors get started even before

Biden is sworn in. That, to me, is very informative about which side they are really on.

[George II]

22. The article is way off base. A few examples (some close to home):

Philadelphia County: Bide 81.3% to 18.0%
Allegheny County: 59.4% to 39.1%

Baltimore: 87.8% to 10.7%
Montgomery County: 78.9% to 19.5%

District of Columbia: 92.1% to 5.4%

Wayne County: 68.1% to 30.1%
Washtenaw County: 72.4% to 25.9%

Milwaukee County: 69.1% to 29.3%
Dane County: 75.5% to 22.9%

Cook County: 74.3% to 24.1%

This is just another strained attempt by Politico and certain writers to put a negative spin on a positive election result.

[LeftInTX]

26. I read it

Philadelphia City Councilwoman Maria Quiñones-Sánchez, a member of Biden’s Latino Leadership Council in Pennsylvania, publicly raised concerns last month about what she said was inadequate outreach to Hispanic voters. She disagreed with the Biden team’s Covid-19-related decision to avoid knocking on voters’ doors until October.

Agree...I live in a Mexican-American area. White people are much better at social distancing.

Michigan state Rep. Sherry Gay-Dagnogo, who chairs the Democrats’ Detroit caucus, said she was contacted by an outside liberal group to recruit canvassers to knock on doors for Biden just over a week before Election Day. But it took days for them to create walk lists for her and sort out other problems.

“The party has to find a way to not wait until the ninth hour to just start throwing resources,” she said. “The first day I was able to send a group of people out was — so stressful — but it was Tuesday morning. The election day! What sense does that make? So if you could do it in the ninth hour for $300 a day, $30 an hour, you can do it for half that, a couple of months in advance.”

Ouch

[JoeOtterbein]

45. Thanks for reading.

I think we still have lots of work to do.

[still_one]

28. Some may be unaware that we have a critical runoff coming, and I have to wonder why some feel the

need to post this divisive nonsense at this time

[ismnotwasm]

29. I must be psychic

I’m on my phone and I knew the source and the author before I mistakenly clicked on the thread

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

35. JEEZ LOUISE could we pls get the results CERTIFIED before yall start raining on our parade? MOST

CITIES have seen nothing but outpouring of relief and celebration this past week.

[Cha]

36. Thank You... some have NOTHING

better to do.

[Meowmee]

63. Exactly the joy that people had

and the relief was overwhelming, a fascist lune was overthrown.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

65. Heres the thing-we are not completely out of the woods yet. Dont forget the "fascist lune's"

delusion has full backing of 1 of 2 major political parties in the US and their propaganda machine is going full blast. Have yall listened to RW radio lately? .

How far they push it remains to be seen, depends IMHO on how much pushback they get from all of us, and whether courts/military go along with it. So far so good and Im optimistic and relieved about that.... but.... sorry I for one am NOT going to completely relax until election is CERTIFIED and Mr. Biden sworn in.

IMHO its way too premature to set aside the unity within Dems/progressives and go back to business as usual WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

[Meowmee]

76. Was this reply meant for me?

[marmar]

38. I read the entire article, and it kind of said nothing.

Slightly better, slightly worse, blah blah blah. Nothing to clearly support its thesis.

[betsuni]

44. That's what I thought, it's an article about nothing.

[ellie]

43. Oh for fuck's sake

[mcar]

48. Stop with this nonsense

[Tribetime]

50. I wonder in Ohio the big counties votes were suppressed

By the fact there was only one early place per county and the issues with the postal service. The returned ballots were down in these counties along with the early vote.

[William769]

51. Can we at least wait till after inauguration day?

Still fighting the other side. Remember them?

[AmericanCanuck]

60. IKR?

[NurseJackie]

62. This Politico "writer" has an agenda that's fueled by resentment and bitterness...

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... it's delusional and the only motivation driving this crap is a desire to damage, divide and weaken. Whenever you see "Holly Gotta Whine" as the writer, the chances are very high that it's going to be another divisive "hit-piece" on Democrats, or the Democratic party. It's a pathetic and delusional individual who would use the platform to continually nit-pick, denigrate and belittle with their petty grievances.

Still fighting the other side. Remember them?

Yes, we are still fighting the GOP... THEY are the other side. Sadly, Holly is still angry about the 2020 primaries and can't let go... can't move on. Based on her writing, it would appear that she views mainstream Democrats and party leadership as being "the other side" and as her personal enemy which must continually attack.

The war is over, Holly. Come out of the jungle.

[MineralMan]

71. It's the same agenda that attacked Barack Obama the moment

he won his election. It went on throughout his two terms, too.

We have three political parties in the United States: The Republican Party, The Democratic Party, and The Disgruntled Party. The last one can't possibly win, but it can detract from the other two - and does on a consistent basis.

The author of this article is a member of that Disgruntled Party. Clearly.

Fortunately for all of us, Joe Biden was able to overcome the Disgruntled Party and win. Hillary Clinton didn't quite succeed, thanks to that third party.

[NurseJackie]

72. That's a great way to describe it.

[MineralMan]

73. I just started an OP on the three party concept.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214563976

[William769]

74. Thank you for the explanation.

[still_one]

64. +++

[AmericanCanuck]

59. Oh NO!!!!

Politico and you-know-who ........ I'm shaking in my boots hahahaha

I think Holly needs to get over the fact that her chosen one lost and Biden is not POTUS yet to blame him for anything.