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andym

(5,425 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:04 AM Nov 2020

How can Trump inspire such loyalty in the GOP?

Nixon would not have resigned if Republicans of his day were more loyal to him than the nation. Something has happened to the GOP since then. Many of that era fought in WWII, perhaps that is the difference. Modern-day Republicans identify more strongly as Republicans than Americans.

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How can Trump inspire such loyalty in the GOP? (Original Post) andym Nov 2020 OP
Two sets of two words ... Fairness Doctrine and Citizens United (nt) mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #1
+1000 Peacetrain Nov 2020 #2
They are scared of him. They are weak. SoonerPride Nov 2020 #3
They're not as scared of him as they are of his base. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #6
Blackmail Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #4
This Arazi Nov 2020 #26
Kinda looks like Malaria is repulsed by the Maggot. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2020 #33
By encouraging them to be as bad as they want to be. PubliusEnigma Nov 2020 #5
By inspiring loyalty in the beer-bellied, spit-spraying, gun-toting rednecks. Aristus Nov 2020 #7
He's given certain special interest groups legitimacy and favors they've Mike 03 Nov 2020 #8
I don't think that they fear Trump any more Chainfire Nov 2020 #9
When you're getting everything you wanted... Chicago1980 Nov 2020 #10
70 million voters liberalmuse Nov 2020 #11
Nixon had 47 million votes in 1972 which is a greater percentage of the American electorate andym Nov 2020 #20
Avarice, stupidity and gullibility Thomas Hurt Nov 2020 #12
They are the authoritarian party and that's what it means to be a part of it. unblock Nov 2020 #13
This Cosmocat Nov 2020 #32
Trump Vodka. Trump Steaks. Trump University. dchill Nov 2020 #14
It is all about the hate for democrats and liberals. tRump was their weapon with which to hurt Hotler Nov 2020 #15
To be fair, republicans have always 'closed ranks' better than democrats have, or do. Arthur_Frain Nov 2020 #16
Because he rubber stamps everything they want and is willing to cheat to keep them in power. kysrsoze Nov 2020 #17
They're all flat out fascists. and Hitler wannnabe Trump is their beloved Fuhrer. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #18
My theory. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #19
It's not just financial benefit, some GOP pols are wealthy like Sen. Scott andym Nov 2020 #24
Or protection of that wealth. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #28
Yep, they have guzzled their own cool aid Cosmocat Nov 2020 #31
He's got a large chunk of their base on his side. beastie boy Nov 2020 #21
Imo, Oneironaut Nov 2020 #22
Simple Windy City Charlie Nov 2020 #23
It's more for their self preservation than it is out of loyalty mtnsnake Nov 2020 #25
Confederacy of Economic Royalists moondust Nov 2020 #27
Because they're the same ibegurpard Nov 2020 #29
Spam deleted by MIR Team jackyjoy123 Nov 2020 #30
I have an answer: Trump is a modern day PT Barnum andym Nov 2020 #34

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,602 posts)
6. They're not as scared of him as they are of his base.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:08 AM
Nov 2020

One negative tweet from His Lardship and the MAGAts stop voting for them and start phoning in death threats.

Aristus

(65,797 posts)
7. By inspiring loyalty in the beer-bellied, spit-spraying, gun-toting rednecks.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:09 AM
Nov 2020

The ones who pledge to make the streets run with blood if Trumpy doesn't get exactly what he wants when he wants it.

The Republicans are afraid of them, not him.

I don't know why. If a number of Republicans pledged to bring back "Duck Dynasty", or whatever piece of drivel currently serves as the opiate of the unwashed masses, we'd never hear from them again, and we could go back to being a country, instead of a plaything for a shit-fingered man-baby...

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
8. He's given certain special interest groups legitimacy and favors they've
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:09 AM
Nov 2020

been craving for decades, especially the Christian Nationalists and Alt Right.

I also agree with others who've said that there's a lot of fear, because it's unclear how much power he will retain after leaving office.

Also, the "shared enemies" theory. Some people like him because he hates the same people they do.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
10. When you're getting everything you wanted...
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

why’d they give that up?

They’re soulless bottom feeding vipers.

andym

(5,425 posts)
20. Nixon had 47 million votes in 1972 which is a greater percentage of the American electorate
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

than anyone since (33.5% of the voting age population). By contrast, Trump with 73M has 28.6% and Joe with 79M has 30.9%. Yet Nixon's GOP abandoned him when it was clear he had acted unethically and committed crimes.

unblock

(51,824 posts)
13. They are the authoritarian party and that's what it means to be a part of it.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:12 AM
Nov 2020

Until a new king comes along, the current king is the king and that's that. Doesn't matter how rotten they are.

If someone else like rmoney or cotton or whoever emerges as the new de facto leader, they'll transfer loyalty to them. That might not happen until the next presidential primaries.

Hotler

(11,218 posts)
15. It is all about the hate for democrats and liberals. tRump was their weapon with which to hurt
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

and own us. Earlier in the year some of his minions were cry-bagging about how his policies were hurting them also and not hurting the libtards enough.

Arthur_Frain

(1,709 posts)
16. To be fair, republicans have always 'closed ranks' better than democrats have, or do.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:15 AM
Nov 2020

I think it’s because really it’s not a “big tent”. We have all of the splinter groups and competing interests and we backstab and infight to our detriment.

Nothing but rats down in their hole. Sure, occasionally, rats eats or screw one another when their numbers get too high, but there’s still nothing but rats in those holes.

kysrsoze

(5,986 posts)
17. Because he rubber stamps everything they want and is willing to cheat to keep them in power.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:15 AM
Nov 2020

It's as simple as that. Think about it... does anyone here think he had a hand in appointing Betsy DeVos as Sec of Ed, or Gov Goodhair as Sec of Energy? All he is there for is to have an audience and make himself richer, so he lets them run the show while he golfs or sits on the toilet and tweets, or shoots his mouth off at super spreader events.

They're not afraid. They welcome everything he breathes. He's got a base of lunatic supporters who are willing to die for him, and if they play along with him, they benefit from the rabid base as well.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
18. They're all flat out fascists. and Hitler wannnabe Trump is their beloved Fuhrer.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:23 AM
Nov 2020

They worship him.

It's time for everyone who is not a fascist to face the fact that vast majority Republicans are simply not decent, honorable, honest human beings.

A Republican is a Nazi waiting to happen. What they are doing right now is a disgrace, but not at all surprising. Americans who fought in WW II would be stunned to see that the same fascists they fought to stop the spread of fascist hate are now trying to disregard the will of the people and overthrow democracy and the US government at the command of the corrupt, unspeakably evil fascist pig Donald Trump, the Republican Hitler.

OAITW r.2.0

(23,236 posts)
19. My theory.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:23 AM
Nov 2020

For close to 40 years, the GOP has been selectively breeding their elected Representatives on the following criteria-

* No critical thinking skills or conscience.
* Candidates must demonstrate moral weakness that is potentially compromising.
* Willing to always vote Party line in exchange for personal financial benefit.

That's what the modern day Republican Congressperson has become and the typical Republican voter becomes dumber as the herd is culled of any intelligent dissenters.

andym

(5,425 posts)
24. It's not just financial benefit, some GOP pols are wealthy like Sen. Scott
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:35 AM
Nov 2020

perhaps personal political benefit=power is even a greater cause.

OAITW r.2.0

(23,236 posts)
28. Or protection of that wealth.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

See also Perdue and Loeffler. Nothing like an insider's "heads up" when you are in DC.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
31. Yep, they have guzzled their own cool aid
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:56 AM
Nov 2020

that they feed their zombie base like beer blasts at kegger parties.

beastie boy

(8,902 posts)
21. He's got a large chunk of their base on his side.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

The chunk that makes or breaks political careers (as well as careers in media, religion, punditry, etc.) at his command. This is the phenomenon known across the world: minority of a minority in a fractured political landscape having sufficient leverage to overrule the majority. Career politicians of all kinds are susceptible to this kind of... well, let's call it what it is: blackmail.

Oneironaut

(5,416 posts)
22. Imo,
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

People wanted something new in 2016. Trump sold himself as “not a politician,” pouncing on the anti-government zeitgeist. People lapped up the snake oil and admired his phony displays of power - especially against “the establishment.” Republican congressmen/women didn’t want to be primaried, and completely disgraced themselves rather than doing their job as the guardrails of Democracy.

None of them like Trump. They foolishly believe that they can control him, or that he’s only a temporary means to an end. lol Instead, they are allowing a Fascist movement to flourish like a disease in our country.

I’ve been arguing that we don’t even know the true damage Trump has caused yet. It has yet to bubble to the surface.

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
23. Simple
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:30 AM
Nov 2020

Deep down, the Republicans probably can't stand him....but he provides a base of voters. They don't care about what's right....they only care about getting re-elected.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
25. It's more for their self preservation than it is out of loyalty
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:48 AM
Nov 2020

Anytime it comes to them being re-elected, they have to choose between catering to Trump's base or catering to swing voters to win re-election. Which option do you think they will choose?

Plus, the Republican Party is no longer a Party. It has become a cult, and in a cult you will be shunned by the rest of the cult if you dare go against the cult leader.

moondust

(19,851 posts)
27. Confederacy of Economic Royalists
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:11 PM
Nov 2020

FDR called them "economic royalists." They don't like democracy or equality and thus have much in common with the old confederates in the South.

I thought this was a pretty good description...

Economic royalist: An advocate of a system in which social privilege and political authority derive from wealth.

Trump is King of the Economic Royalists who want to rule permanently for their own benefit without troublesome elections and accountability. I've long wondered if many Europeans didn't come to America because they wanted to be kings but didn't not belong to a royal family in Europe. In America they could get rich and be treated like kings simply because they had money. Like Trump.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
29. Because they're the same
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:33 PM
Nov 2020

The only thing some of them don't like about him is how crude he is. They're on board with everything else.

Response to andym (Original post)

andym

(5,425 posts)
34. I have an answer: Trump is a modern day PT Barnum
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

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Why did people visit his museums and shows and believe in obvious fictions like the Feejee Mermaid or the 161-year-old woman?

Because people want to believe someone rich, powerful, and successful cares about them. That such a person can show them the world in a way they never imagined possible--secrets. In Trump's case, they want to believe that an egotistical liar, who is perhaps the greatest public confidence(con) man of his generation who in reality has been running various suspect businesses, like Trump University and who is a poor enough businessman to have casino resorts he bought go bankrupt because he couldn't calculate how the loans he took out could never be repaid, even with the built-in profit of the businesses. Trump then tells them a narrative about the world that they want to hear, that they've been primed to hear. Primed by a right-wing echo chamber.

A Right-wing propaganda-sphere that insists that only they peddle the truth with ready-made alternative reality narratives, like climate change does not have a significant human component, and all other news sources in the US and from around the world are fake, and Trump is a real-life Simple Simon for some.

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