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BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:59 PM Nov 2020

BREAKING: Federal Judge tosses Ghouliani's abomination of a case in PA

In scathing opinion, federal judge dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit in Pennsylvania

By Jon Swaine
November 21, 2020 at 6:38 p.m. EST

A lawsuit brought by President Trump’s campaign that sought to block the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results was dismissed by a federal judge on Saturday evening. U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brann granted a request from Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar to dismiss the suit, which alleged that Republicans had been illegally disadvantaged because some counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots.

Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s attorney, personally took charge of the case and appeared at a hearing in Williamsport, Pa., Tuesday in an attempt to justify it. In his order, Brann wrote that Trump’s campaign had used “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations” in its effort to throw out millions of votes.

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” Brann wrote.

Trump was beaten in Pennsylvania by President-elect Joe Biden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pa/2020/11/21/cc097fbe-2c50-11eb-9b14-ad872157ebc9_story.html




And from our State Attorney General Josh Shapiro -




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Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
I’ve been telling everyone who will listen: these suits are baseless, stay calm, Rudy has no facts, I’m on it.

When can I say I told you so?
😉


Suit dismissed. Laws matter.
Jeremy Roebuck
@jeremyrroebuck
BREAKING: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign's last lawsuit seeking to delay certification of Pennsylvania's election results.
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6:30 PM · Nov 21, 2020


RULING HERE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-the-opinion-federal-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania/2afd3821-220b-4596-b172-aaa1d3ab63a5/?itid=lk_inline_manual_8

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BREAKING: Federal Judge tosses Ghouliani's abomination of a case in PA (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 OP
2-34 I think now! Roland99 Nov 2020 #1
Rudy doesn't care - he'll just take it to SCOTUS... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #2
IANAL (like Gothmog) but since this case was a request for "dismissal" BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #5
Decision to Dismiss With Prejudice Can Be Reviewed Stallion Nov 2020 #8
That's what it sounds like BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #10
The facts won't change though. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #12
That was my question. Can you appeal a case that Drahthaardogs Nov 2020 #21
He may try but they'll probably shut the door in his face StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #22
Breaking: In Total Loss for Trump Campaign in Its Most Major Remaining Election Case, Federal Court Gothmog Nov 2020 #3
& so is Josh Shapiro! Cha Nov 2020 #13
Buh-bye, Coup-liani torius Nov 2020 #4
Yesss! sheshe2 Nov 2020 #6
That pic is hilarious BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #7
Tis. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #9
lol@Josh Shapiro.. "Laws Matter" Rt! Cha Nov 2020 #11
Here is something else to RT - from our Lt. Governor John Fetterman!! BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #15
Wow.. I couldn't wrap my head around Cha Nov 2020 #19
This year the whole state House and 1/2 of the state Senate were also on the ballot BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #23
They Most Certainly ARE!! Cha Nov 2020 #26
There you go BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #28
"the grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #14
Terrific! ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #17
I think he will attempt to appeal directly to SCOTUS. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #16
Alito has had a mixed record involving stuff here in PA BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #18
I hope you're right. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #24
Alito went all "states rights" and let our State Supreme Court redraw the Congressional Districts BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #27
Great post. If PA is certified on Monday and hopefully Michigan and Arizona too... Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #20
Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes and Nevada has 6 BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #25
You're missing something jmowreader Nov 2020 #29
Your argument is then talking "the popular vote" BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #32
the more these court cases develop mnmoderatedem Nov 2020 #30
Cheato doesn't take rejection well Darkstar53142 Nov 2020 #31
Trump's complaint was a Frankenstein monster of competing claims. Wow!! Pepsidog Nov 2020 #33

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
2. Rudy doesn't care - he'll just take it to SCOTUS...
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:03 PM
Nov 2020

...where he expects to find a much more receptive audience.

Remember, he even said up-front that the outcome at this level was irrelevant, because the whole purpose of this case was to eventually appeal it to the Supreme Court.

If the latter refuses to take it, it may be "lights out" for 45. If they do decide to hear it, it may be "lights out" for us.

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
5. IANAL (like Gothmog) but since this case was a request for "dismissal"
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Nov 2020

I'm not sure if it can suddenly be resurrected and go up to an appeals court to "un-dismiss".

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
8. Decision to Dismiss With Prejudice Can Be Reviewed
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:15 PM
Nov 2020

but since trial on merits has not been had the appellate court could only send it back to district court

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
10. That's what it sounds like
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:19 PM
Nov 2020

and I think part of the ruling actually talks about that including having to schedule another hearing if they went that route (which would basically impact the certification, etc.). Obviously that has been one of their goals - to delay delay delay.

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
12. The facts won't change though.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:24 PM
Nov 2020

This case was disaster from the beginning. And while he’ll surely appeal, it’s still a disaster.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
21. That was my question. Can you appeal a case that
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:51 PM
Nov 2020

Never had a judicial decision? It was thrown out, not ruled for or against

Gothmog

(145,176 posts)
3. Breaking: In Total Loss for Trump Campaign in Its Most Major Remaining Election Case, Federal Court
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Nov 2020

Prof. Hasen is having fun https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118942

In a total loss the the Trump campaign, a federal district court in Pennsylvania has dismissed the most serious case brought by the campaign and denied the campaign a motion to file an amended complaint.

The judge just excoriates this suit, which those of us in the field have called ridiculous from the start:

In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.

That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.


In a 37-page opinion, the court concluded:

Defendants’ motions to dismiss the First Amended Complaint are granted with prejudice. Leave to amend is denied. “Among the grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay, bad faith, dilatory motive, prejudice, and futility.” Given that: (1) Plaintiffs have already amended once as of right; (2) Plaintiffs seek to amend simply in order to effectively reinstate their initial complaint and claims; and (3) the deadline for counties in Pennsylvania to certify their election results to Secretary Boockvar is November 23, 2020, amendment would unduly delay resolution of the issues. This is especially true because the Court would need to implement a new briefing schedule, conduct a second oral argument, and then decide the issues.


The court had many problems with the complaint, but this goes to the heart of the merits: “Granting Plaintiffs’ requested relief would necessarily require invalidating the ballots of every person who voted in Pennsylvania. Because this Court has no authority to take away the right to vote of even a single person, let alone millions of citizens, it cannot grant Plaintiffs’ requested relief.”

Cha

(297,196 posts)
11. lol@Josh Shapiro.. "Laws Matter" Rt!
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:23 PM
Nov 2020
Trump was beaten in Pennsylvania by President-elect Joe Biden.

Thank you, BRDS!

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
15. Here is something else to RT - from our Lt. Governor John Fetterman!!
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:35 PM
Nov 2020



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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 21, 2020
Looks like they picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
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Brad Heath
@bradheath
President Trump's lawyers have filed a new brief explaining why it should get a restraining order to block Pennsylvania from certifying the election results, and it starts off a lot like the others in that it misspells the name of the governor.
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
If PA doesn’t certify our Election results, after November 30th, we technically don’t have a State House of Representatives and 1/2 a state senate.

Which are controlled by Republicans.
😆
GIF
1:53 PM · Nov 21, 2020 from Pittsburgh, PA


And he's right! If they delay the certification, then the entire GOP-majority State House and 1/2 of the GOP-majority State Senate will no longer exist and will be in limbo!

Cha

(297,196 posts)
19. Wow.. I couldn't wrap my head around
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nov 2020

the PA House & Senate being in Limbo.. if they don't certify! That's some Law they got there.

So the PA gop couldn't get anything done if they don't certify Joe Biden's electors? Stunning!

Thank you for the Tweets, BRDS.. Rt! I don't get that one that says "Still Got It"

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
23. This year the whole state House and 1/2 of the state Senate were also on the ballot
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:58 PM
Nov 2020

(in addition to the Presidential campaign), as well as top state-wide offices including the State Attorney General (where Josh just got re-elected), the State Treasurer, and the State Auditor General.

These people are so narrow-focused to "own the libs" that they keep cutting off their noses to spite themselves!

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
28. There you go
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:13 PM
Nov 2020

They are so terrified of the death threats from their own base stoked by the twitter-loon-in-chief, that he and the other 8 PA GOP Congressional Reps have ignored the fact that they would put themselves in jeopardy by creating vacant seats in their delegation if they don't certify the election!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
14. "the grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:31 PM
Nov 2020

... And bad faith.

The grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay and bad faith. And dilatory motive.

Look, I'll come in and say this again.

The grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay, bad faith, and dilatory motive.

And prejudice.

No, no, it's OK, I've got it:

Among the grounds that could justify a denial of leave to amend are undue delay, bad faith, dilatory motive, prejudice, and futility.

Phew!"

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
16. I think he will attempt to appeal directly to SCOTUS.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:39 PM
Nov 2020

Alito is the Justice assigned for cases in PA. I think it’s even money he will grant a temporary injunction while certiorari is considered ‘cause he’s a Shitbag. Now we see if the courts hold.

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
18. Alito has had a mixed record involving stuff here in PA
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:46 PM
Nov 2020

and has generally skirted right around the legal edge enough to make sense.

I think after that fiasco of a case that Ghouliani produced, I don't think he would touch that with a 10ft pole because the allegations are of "rampant fraud" and not one piece of evidence has been submitted to any court that has proven it and each time, they have withdrawn the allegation and tried to keep the cases going arguing something else.

Alito is in for life and doesn't have to run for office nor does he "owe" 45 anything that would require a quid pro quo.

(ETA - I think if the margin was closer, then he might find it worth it but the margin is >80,000 votes so it's not really close)

Happy Hoosier

(7,296 posts)
24. I hope you're right.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:00 PM
Nov 2020

If he’s smart, he will want none of this. Ghoulianai’s case is an embarrassing mess from top to bottom. And that ruling... wow... I’ve never seen an evisceration so complete.

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
27. Alito went all "states rights" and let our State Supreme Court redraw the Congressional Districts
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:08 PM
Nov 2020

right before the 2018 election. They were horribly gerrymandered and at the time, the spread was 13 (R) - 5 (D). After the lines were drawn to comply with the PA state Constitution's requirement for districts to be "compact and contiguous", the delegations were changed to 9 (R) - 9 (D).

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
20. Great post. If PA is certified on Monday and hopefully Michigan and Arizona too...
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:50 PM
Nov 2020

I don't see a path for Trump with only Nevada and Wisconsin remaining...and after the bullshit travesty of a recount is over Wisconsin will be certified as well on the 30th.

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
25. Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes and Nevada has 6
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:05 PM
Nov 2020

so even if you took those out, it would be 306 - 16 = 290, which still means a win. That could be why Kemp is rumbling around trying to muddy the waters with Georgia. And even if you removed their 16 electoral votes (along with WI & NV votes), Biden would still have 274.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
29. You're missing something
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:26 PM
Nov 2020

The Constitution doesn't say it has to be 270 electoral votes. It says it has to be a majority of the votes cast. So, if a state's EV are removed from the pool, the number of votes needed for a candidate to win the presidency also goes down.

Trump's only hope of winning the election is to remove ALL the blue states from the pool. And that, my young friend, will not happen.

BumRushDaShow

(128,913 posts)
32. Your argument is then talking "the popular vote"
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:47 PM
Nov 2020

which they obviously aren't using in a literal sense when it comes to the electoral college (or we wouldn't be in this predicament).

However their strategy is to still have the electoral votes be assigned to a candidate, but NOT by removing "ALL the blue states". It would happen more narrowly by removing the majority of VOTES by Democrats (with their focusing on the mail-in ballots, a method that Democrats used more than Republicans), which would then leave the remainder of the votes as the only ones considered "valid" and mostly for 45.

At that point, they would declare that the "blue state" was a "winner" for him, and would hand over that state's electoral votes to him instead of to Biden.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
30. the more these court cases develop
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:34 PM
Nov 2020

the more I believe the primary motive is to provide amusement to bench judges

Darkstar53142

(71 posts)
31. Cheato doesn't take rejection well
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:43 PM
Nov 2020

Election rejection
office ejection
Time for introspection
Mr. Orange skin complexion

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