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Botany

(70,615 posts)
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:36 AM Nov 2020

I saw the damage caused by Trump and Stephen Miller up close and for real yesterday.

Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Some friends of mine are hosting 2 sisters from central America @ their house as people
are still trying to reunite them with their mother who is still being held @ the border and
the sisters were one of the ones who were kept in cages too. The family left their home in
central America to flee the violence there. From what I was told the sisters saw their father
murdered in front of them and then their mother tried to flee to America to save her children
from the gang that killed her husband and the girls' father. If they are returned to their native
village they might very well be killed too or subjected to God only knows what kind of abuse.

I met the younger sister yesterday and I can't begin to describe just how damaged she is
and how fearful she is of just about everything. I can speak a little Spanish but just getting
her to say "hola" was very hard to do. She would not smile or make eye contact. I can't
begin to understand the hell she, her sister, and her mother went through and are still going
through now.

There is not a pit in hell deep enough with fires hot enough for Trump and Stephen Miller.
They are monsters of the worst order.

I know that Joe and Kamala have a lot on their plate but from day one we need to rescue
those kids, reunite them with families, and show em love and warmth. We also have to
legalize drugs in order to take the money out of it because that is one of the major parts
of these gangs' businesses.

In a just world the family should be made citizens of America now.

So sorry to ramble but I'm just trying to make sense of the senseless.

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I saw the damage caused by Trump and Stephen Miller up close and for real yesterday. (Original Post) Botany Nov 2020 OP
Miller is one of shithole's Generals' of Hate . .. Iliyah Nov 2020 #1
"Pro-life" - just words to appeal to the evangelicals Rorey Nov 2020 #2
Amazing how trump has hired his 'type'. Made easier by actual competence and empedocles Nov 2020 #3
Definitely. They are NOT "pro-life" if they've done this. calimary Nov 2020 #4
Poor mentally sick Miller Dakota Flint Nov 2020 #7
A quote from Roger Ebert seems appropriate: volstork Nov 2020 #41
How did your friends come to host these people? panader0 Nov 2020 #5
There are secular refugee assimilation agencies wnylib Nov 2020 #19
He should be locked up for life malaise Nov 2020 #6
Trump is almost ready to deport 333 unaccompanied MINORS into Mexico....... secondwind Nov 2020 #8
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #9
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Nov 2020 #10
Republican style 'Christians'. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #11
The thing is, this cartoon is not an exaggeration AT ALL renate Nov 2020 #36
Unfortunately, it isn't farfetched! burrowowl Nov 2020 #37
I would like to see OLDMDDEM Nov 2020 #12
I want to reassure you that reuniting kids with their parents vlyons Nov 2020 #13
Hope you're right. This is heartbreaking & should be a priority. Joe has compassion so there's Illumination Nov 2020 #17
I fervently hope so. Chemisse Nov 2020 #18
We need to hear all of their stories. Every last one. louis-t Nov 2020 #30
This is a... Snackshack Nov 2020 #14
❤️✿❧🌿❧✿❤️ Lucinda Nov 2020 #15
What's going on in this country is truly a struggle between love and hate. patphil Nov 2020 #16
Meanest, most vile marieo1 Nov 2020 #20
This was a tough read. leanforward Nov 2020 #21
This is heartbreaking, shameful. democrank Nov 2020 #22
Awful, awful situation. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #23
Wow, thanks for sharing this. Horrific! LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #24
Stephan Miller has a whole eco-system of right wing hate behind him DBoon Nov 2020 #25
It's heartbreaking to see the intentional human wreckage dlk Nov 2020 #26
I have confidence Thunderbeast Nov 2020 #27
I think many churches would be willing to step up and help. Botany Nov 2020 #28
This Retired Migrant Teacher is Angry!! McKim Nov 2020 #29
Terrorist Camps Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #31
Oregon has just decriminalized all drug issues. Other states will follow, hopefully. nt Grasswire2 Nov 2020 #32
It is not senseless. These are crimes against humanity, even genocide. PatrickforO Nov 2020 #33
Agree! burrowowl Nov 2020 #39
What a chilling post. llmart Nov 2020 #34
Word. JudyM Nov 2020 #35
This makes me heartsick peggysue2 Nov 2020 #38
These children DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #40
"Suffer the little children" doesn't mean "Let the little children suffer". Marcuse Nov 2020 #42
No words. orangecrush Nov 2020 #43
So much dehumanizing going on. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #44
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #45
Really - "They actually had endearing things to say and were released into the u.s." marble falls Nov 2020 #46
Agree on all points and thank you! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #47

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. Miller is one of shithole's Generals' of Hate . ..
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

actually, shithole's administration and republican party is full of hatred for human kind. They lie, cheat, steal and are the most corrupt organization to date. Pro-Life party my arse. They are indeed the opposite.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
2. "Pro-life" - just words to appeal to the evangelicals
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:50 AM
Nov 2020

And those who actually believe that OrangeLOSER and his enablers actually adhere to the pro-life mindset are hopelessly ignorant.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. Amazing how trump has hired his 'type'. Made easier by actual competence and
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:53 AM
Nov 2020

qualifications don't count.

Just be automatically, loyal suck up, corrupt, . . .

calimary

(81,527 posts)
4. Definitely. They are NOT "pro-life" if they've done this.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:54 AM
Nov 2020

Nor is ANYONE ELSE “pro-life” if they support this.

Period.

 

Dakota Flint

(219 posts)
7. Poor mentally sick Miller
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:06 AM
Nov 2020

Miller is just one very, very sick individual, such self-hate is an evil thing. All of his ancestors that were killed in the Nazi gas chambers would be so proud!

volstork

(5,403 posts)
41. A quote from Roger Ebert seems appropriate:
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 04:53 PM
Nov 2020

“To make others less happy is a crime. To make ourselves unhappy is where all crime starts.”
― Roger Ebert

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. How did your friends come to host these people?
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:57 AM
Nov 2020

I'm curious as I live close to the border and have a couple empty bedrooms.

wnylib

(21,668 posts)
19. There are secular refugee assimilation agencies
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:05 AM
Nov 2020

in many communities. There are also churches that run immigrant and refugee services programs. I know that LIRS, run by Lutherans, and an immigration program in the Disaster Relief agency of the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) help to find homes and legal services for refugees and asylum seekers. You can research them online or ask a Lutheran or Presbyterian minister how to contact them. The Roman Catholic Church also does refugee and immigrant services.

The Catholic Church and PCUSA (Presbyterian Church USA - liberal branch of Presbyterians) both have mission houses in El Paso that accept volunteers. About a year ago, I met a woman who had volunteered at the Catholic mission. We spoke to some groups and several of us planned on traveling there. But covid and Trump's stay in Mexico orders got in the way. I recently spoke with one of the group and as soon as possible, with vaccines and the Biden administration changes, we will plan another trip. We are hoping to get secular groups and congregations to sponsor refugees.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
8. Trump is almost ready to deport 333 unaccompanied MINORS into Mexico.......
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:09 AM
Nov 2020


from age TWO through 15. Children who don't know anything about Mexico or its people, traumatized children who have been in cages for a long time....... and now they are being deported.

Perhaps Trump is wanting to clean up, i.e., DISAPPEAR his mess before he steps down........ UGH

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
9. K n R ! Thanks for posting!
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:10 AM
Nov 2020

A friend of mine, who adopted two little girls from South America over 20 years ago, fostered a little girl from the "cages" over the summer.

The story she told her was so heartbreaking and horrible that, even now just thinking about it, makes me break down in tears of shame.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
13. I want to reassure you that reuniting kids with their parents
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:16 AM
Nov 2020

is high on Biden's To Do list. This is not something that he will just delegate and forget about it. I feel quite certain that he will check in to his HHS secretary at a minimum of weekly for reports on the progress of this endeavor.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
17. Hope you're right. This is heartbreaking & should be a priority. Joe has compassion so there's
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:35 AM
Nov 2020

hope..... .....

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
18. I fervently hope so.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:55 AM
Nov 2020

This has haunted so many of us for these past years; knowing there are children growing up in cages. Everybody made a fuss when it first came out, but Trump et al just didn't care, and then it became just the way it is. The furor died down as the misery for these poor families just went on and on.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
14. This is a...
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:16 AM
Nov 2020

Permanent stain on America. As details of this comes out as it will in the near future the true horror of what we have done will be appalling and shocking. If the forced hysterectomy stories I have read about are true that is a crime against humanity. DT / Miller / Sessions / Rosenstein and everyone else connected with this atrocity must be held accountable.

patphil

(6,230 posts)
16. What's going on in this country is truly a struggle between love and hate.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

I don't think I have to tell you which side is which.

By their actions you shall know them.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
20. Meanest, most vile
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:05 AM
Nov 2020

I have always hated Stephen Miller, he is the worst of the worst and DJT and the creep Mitch McConnell are just like him. Stephen Miller is the Adolph Hitler of today. The Republican party seems to have become the party of mean, vile, hate filled people that care absolutely nothing about other people on this earth. I'm sure Stephen Miller is gleeful at the losses to Covid-19!! That is the way he thinks!!You don't see much of him because he is a behind the scenes dirty worker, up to no good!!

leanforward

(1,077 posts)
21. This was a tough read.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

Any family associated with any family separation should be granted citizenship.
Did family separation start with Sessions? Or higher?
Whoever needs to do time.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
23. Awful, awful situation.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:36 AM
Nov 2020

3 more lives, probably damaged forever, no matter what the disposition of their case. The two monsters are virtually caricatures...dreadful simulacrums of actual people.

These words from Lyle Lovatt resonate with me, in this moment.

"As I sit here, safe at home
With a cold Coors Lite and the TV on..."

Although they were meant to be words of self-criticism, I hope that family gets to have moments like that.

DBoon

(22,403 posts)
25. Stephan Miller has a whole eco-system of right wing hate behind him
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:00 PM
Nov 2020

He did not get to his position of power by himself.

He was promoted over the years by right wing AM talk show hosts and many many others.

There is a whole political movement dedicated to destroying human beings.

dlk

(11,582 posts)
26. It's heartbreaking to see the intentional human wreckage
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

It is real and it’s intentional. God bless your friends for opening their hearts and their home for the sisters. There are so many more caring and compassionate Americans, however, the cancer among us that is Trumpism is an ugly pervasive reality many of us never realized. We must be ever vigilant in our efforts to face it head on and do everything we can to eradicate it. Evil never takes a day off. If/when they permit it, lots of hugs will facilitate the healing process for the girls. Please keep us posted with their progress.

Thunderbeast

(3,425 posts)
27. I have confidence
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:31 PM
Nov 2020

That enough Spanish-speaking foster homes are available RIGHT NOW to take in these kids. This must be a day-one priority!

Botany

(70,615 posts)
28. I think many churches would be willing to step up and help.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:35 PM
Nov 2020

BTW didn't Trump use undocumented workers to build and maintain his golf course in N.J.?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
29. This Retired Migrant Teacher is Angry!!
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:00 PM
Nov 2020

As a retired ESL Migrant Teacher, I have been angry for years over the mistreatment of my students and their families. This is a shame on our nation which we must remediate!!!!!! I want President Biden to find those families, reunite them, give them a pathway to citizenship and some cash reparations. This is a stain on our country!

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
31. Terrorist Camps
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:35 PM
Nov 2020

This is how to grow terrorists. Use the government’s overwhelming power to dehumanize young people.

When they are older, they will wage war against everything in authority. Except, usually, their twisted concept of a God/deity/king/cult-leader authority.

Old-fashioned way (among cultured families): Virtually spoil kids rotten in their early ages 1-5. Teach them unconditional love, of course teach them about danger.

After that, you’re on your own. LOL Kids were practically adults after that in ancient days.

But under Trump we did it exactly the wrong way. His way produces offspring like Junior, Eric, Vanky, and Tiff. Do I have to say more?

PatrickforO

(14,599 posts)
33. It is not senseless. These are crimes against humanity, even genocide.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

And while I cannot do anything about pits of hell, no matter how well deserved that might be, we can certainly strongly advocate the closure of these concentration camps, enforcing the immigration laws against employers who hire undocumented people and exploit them at below-minimum. We can also begin to hold people like Miller and those ICE agents, as well as cruel private for-profit concentration camp guards, accountable for these crimes.

To do what we did here is a dark stain on this republic, a republic that has yet to even come to terms with genocide and slavery.

llmart

(15,557 posts)
34. What a chilling post.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:29 PM
Nov 2020

It sounds very much like that bestseller "American Dirt". If you haven't already read it, I would recommend it to DUers. The story grabs you immediately on page one and it is extremely intense.

Of all the evil this administration has foisted on our country, this has got to be the worst thing that was done in our names.

peggysue2

(10,844 posts)
38. This makes me heartsick
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:16 PM
Nov 2020

To abuse children this way is simply cruel and evil.

I can think of a fitting punishment but it's not the sort I'd publish. People responsible for these outrages are wicked through and through.

DENVERPOPS

(8,862 posts)
40. These children
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

will be horrifically scared for life. A lifetime of good will not off set the Psychological damage that Miller, Trump and Melania have imposed on them...............

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,156 posts)
44. So much dehumanizing going on.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:54 PM
Nov 2020

This is what Nazis did. This is what they do. I'd like Mary Trump to analyze Stephen Miller. As a Jew his total lack of shame and nazi-like behavior needs examining so it can be dealt with humanley.

Response to Botany (Original post)

marble falls

(57,370 posts)
46. Really - "They actually had endearing things to say and were released into the u.s."
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:08 AM
Nov 2020
Endearing? Do tell.
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