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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:46 PM Nov 2020

🚨🚨BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court DISMISSES Republican's lawsuit seeking to invalidate mail-in


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Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
🚨🚨BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court DISMISSES Republican's lawsuit seeking to invalidate mail-in ballots and block certification of the election.

Trump and his allies are now 1-39 in post election litigation.

🚨ALERT: VICTORY IN PENNSYLVANIA
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🚨🚨BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court DISMISSES Republican's lawsuit seeking to invalidate mail-in (Original Post) soothsayer Nov 2020 OP
Another victory for Marc and the Democrats Gothmog Nov 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author thesquanderer Nov 2020 #24
Yessss Etherealoc1 Nov 2020 #2
The SCOTUS is not going to touch it BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #20
"States' rights" when it's convenient In It to Win It Nov 2020 #28
They allowed these PA state Supreme Court Justices BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #35
Suck it, Donny Blue Owl Nov 2020 #3
Short but pointed opinion. SunStar Nov 2020 #4
They're probably at the point of: What now??! Kahuna Nov 2020 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #40
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Nov 2020 #41
The funny thing Windy City Charlie Nov 2020 #5
So much for Republicans respecting states rights! dubyadiprecession Nov 2020 #9
As Trump takes more than half of money donated for supposed legal fights. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #22
Very funny cheezmaka Nov 2020 #26
That's stupid too because it's always better to win treestar Nov 2020 #51
WITH PREJUDICE too sunonmars Nov 2020 #6
and a unanimous decision as well DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #29
Yes! rsdsharp Nov 2020 #7
Good on ya & TY for that. Cha Nov 2020 #10
failure to act with due diligence in commencing their facial Arne Nov 2020 #14
Not gonna go there. rsdsharp Nov 2020 #16
Goodness, bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #15
No. The law allowing voting by mail was signed into law 10/31/19. rsdsharp Nov 2020 #21
Yes, both Kelly and Parnell ran in the June primary DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #27
Yes you did. dware Nov 2020 #30
Thank you. It was sort of a gimme. rsdsharp Nov 2020 #36
Rt & TY & Marc Elias/PA Court! Cha Nov 2020 #8
When in the hell are these idiots going to recognize they're fighting a lost cause? napi21 Nov 2020 #12
If I was getting $20k per day for filing bogus lawsuits... cheezmaka Nov 2020 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author cheezmaka Nov 2020 #33
How many times they gonna bring that one-trick pony to court? bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13
Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Brother Buzz Nov 2020 #19
You can't change the rules after the election is called? gratuitous Nov 2020 #17
And that's the end of that! BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #18
From the decision: perfessor Nov 2020 #23
1-40 now, right? sarcasmo Nov 2020 #25
Yep, on their way to 1-50! soothsayer Nov 2020 #37
Spoke too soon: 1-39 soothsayer Nov 2020 #39
I'm trying to figure out what wnylib Nov 2020 #31
Beats the hell out of me trying to figure out what this inept team are trying to do, dware Nov 2020 #34
Let them keep chasing their tails, DEM1955 Nov 2020 #42
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2020 #54
Rudy is yelling about fraud, but when he gets to court louis-t Nov 2020 #45
This is not a decision SCOTUS should touch. TomSlick Nov 2020 #38
It's over. Concede! You LOST! GET OVER IT! lol Baclava Nov 2020 #43
I am stunned that they are ruling so fast. louis-t Nov 2020 #44
Supreme Court next stop? Don't bet on it. RosevilleSparky Nov 2020 #46
State rulings on procedural grounds are not the jurisdiction of SCOTUS. NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #49
k&r DesertRat Nov 2020 #47
It makes me wonder how that have that "One." BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #48
Order (from Democracy Docket) struggle4progress Nov 2020 #50
It's the only time prejudice is good! Great in fact. soothsayer Nov 2020 #52
K&R, with prejudice. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #53

Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

BumRushDaShow

(128,954 posts)
20. The SCOTUS is not going to touch it
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

"States Rights" and all. The litigation involved a state law and the State Supreme Court has spoken!

BumRushDaShow

(128,954 posts)
35. They allowed these PA state Supreme Court Justices
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:02 PM
Nov 2020

to completely re-draw the Congressional Districts here in PA back in 2018 just before the blue tsunami.



Meaning that our state delegation went from 13 (R) - 5 (D) to 9 (R) - 9 (D). The state Supreme Court had done this based on the state Constitution's requirement that the districts (both state and federal) be "compact and contiguous" and the GOP had done no such thing when redistricting occurred after the 2010 census.



And the fact that it took this long (the lines were drawn back in 2011) was because at that time, we had a GOP-majority state Assembly, a GOP Governor, and a GOP-majority State Supreme Court. Now we have a Democratic Governor AND a Democratic-majority State Supreme Court.

SunStar

(66 posts)
4. Short but pointed opinion.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:53 PM
Nov 2020

I think that like the federal courts around Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court is just Done with this crap

Response to SunStar (Reply #4)

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
5. The funny thing
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020

The funny thing is Trump's team keeps saying these dismissals and such are what they're wanting in order to take it to the USSC. When in reality, it's another way to continue playing the dumbasses that keep donating money to the cause.

dubyadiprecession

(5,711 posts)
9. So much for Republicans respecting states rights!
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:02 PM
Nov 2020

The Supreme Court wouldn’t waste time on trump’s bullshit!

keithbvadu2

(36,794 posts)
22. As Trump takes more than half of money donated for supposed legal fights.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:38 PM
Nov 2020

As Trump takes more than half of money donated for supposed legal fights.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
26. Very funny
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:50 PM
Nov 2020

and the money received by donor is ADDITION to the $20k per day that the campaign is paying Guiliani in legal fees! That's why he doesn't mind continuing to file bogus lawsuits. Talking about being "played" like a fiddle by your own partner.....

rsdsharp

(9,171 posts)
7. Yes!
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:57 PM
Nov 2020

“ Upon consideration of the parties’ filings in Commonwealth Court, we hereby dismiss the petition for review with prejudice based upon Petitioners’ failure to file their facial constitutional challenge in a timely manner. Petitioners’ challenge violates the doctrine of laches given their complete failure to act with due diligence in commencing their facial constitutional challenge, which was ascertainable upon Act 77’s enactment.”

Not to say I told you so, but I said they’d dismiss this based on laches last Saturday.

bucolic_frolic

(43,158 posts)
15. Goodness,
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:29 PM
Nov 2020

so does that indicate they would have taken up the matter if filed in the days after the election? Sort of like better luck in 2024?

rsdsharp

(9,171 posts)
21. No. The law allowing voting by mail was signed into law 10/31/19.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:37 PM
Nov 2020

They waited over a year, until after the election, before they filed. If the statute was really unconstitutional, they could have (should have) brought suit last year. They sat on their rights anD tried to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands who relied on the law.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
27. Yes, both Kelly and Parnell ran in the June primary
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:50 PM
Nov 2020

under the same Act 77 absentee ballot rules. Neither of them thought the law was unconstitutional then.

rsdsharp

(9,171 posts)
36. Thank you. It was sort of a gimme.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:05 PM
Nov 2020

This suit is exactly the type of conduct the doctrine of laches was created to address.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
12. When in the hell are these idiots going to recognize they're fighting a lost cause?
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:19 PM
Nov 2020

They've lost almost every suit but their crack lawyers keerp filin' them. I guess the rate they're getting is worth their time. Of course, DT doesn't pay his bills, so they might end up doinng it ro bono...even if they didnt plan it that way.

Response to napi21 (Reply #12)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. You can't change the rules after the election is called?
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

How is that even fair? "Majority rules" sounds suspiciously socialist.

BumRushDaShow

(128,954 posts)
18. And that's the end of that!
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

From PA Attorney General Josh Shapiro -




TEXT

Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
🚨
BREAKING: We just notched another win for democracy.

The PA Supreme Court has dismissed the suit that was attempting to throw out the votes of 2.5 million Pennsylvanians and halt certification.
Jonathan Lai
🙊
賴柏羽
@Elaijuh
The PA Supreme Court dismisses the case brought by U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly that sought to overturn last year’s law creating no-excuse mail voting and to throw out those mail ballots cast in this election.

This is the case the Commonwealth Court had earlier blocked certification in.
Screenshot of the order, which I believe will soon be available at the Pennsylvania courts website. It is too long to copy and paste here, unfortunately.
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6:19 PM · Nov 28, 2020


And according to Lt. Governor John Fetterman -




TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
If the President’s campaign doesn’t stop losing, the Cleveland Browns are gonna sue for trademark infringement.
Jeremy Roebuck
@jeremyrroebuck
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court dismisses GOP Congressman Mike Kelly's bid to throw out every mail ballot cast in the state -- this was the case that led to Wednesday's quickly stayed order barring further certification of state results.
6:42 PM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA





TEXT

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Nov 28, 2020
Replying to @JohnFetterman
Looking forward to the 4D chess spin from the snake handlers how it’s all been part of the plan.

John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
Unanimous decision too.
GIF
7:04 PM · Nov 28, 2020 from Braddock, PA


perfessor

(266 posts)
23. From the decision:
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:44 PM
Nov 2020
"It is beyond cavil that Petitioners failed to act with due diligence in presenting the instant claim," the court wrote in its majority opinion.

I had to look up "cavil," as it is not in my standard parlance. It means "to make petty or unnecessary objections". Sounds about right to me.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
39. Spoke too soon: 1-39
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:35 PM
Nov 2020

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Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
It's loss 39.

I expect loss 40 on Monday.

Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
Replying to @AAWilliams1014
I actually think it’s loss 40.
Check with @MarcEElias.

wnylib

(21,449 posts)
31. I'm trying to figure out what
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:53 PM
Nov 2020

kind of complaint the Trump team is expecting to take to SCOTUS. Are they trying to claim that mail in ballots are invalid on a general principal that they're vulnerable to mistakes or fraud? Like mistakes or fraud don't happen with machine voting? And what about states that were using all mail in votes long before this election? What about DeJoy's interference with the election by making it harder to get the ballots and mail them back in? What about absentee and military votes? Are they supposed to be invalid in the future?

What on earth IS the case they're trying to make?

dware

(12,375 posts)
34. Beats the hell out of me trying to figure out what this inept team are trying to do,
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:59 PM
Nov 2020

other than trying to steal the election.
I sometimes wonder if they even know what the hell they're doing.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
45. Rudy is yelling about fraud, but when he gets to court
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:16 PM
Nov 2020

he says "we're not saying there is fraud."

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
38. This is not a decision SCOTUS should touch.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:32 PM
Nov 2020

The decision is based on laches - a venerable equitable rule. When you see a three page appellate decision, there ain't much to argue about here.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
44. I am stunned that they are ruling so fast.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:14 PM
Nov 2020

40 lawsuits? How long would it take a normal person to get through 40 lawsuits? 57 years?

RosevilleSparky

(13 posts)
46. Supreme Court next stop? Don't bet on it.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:23 PM
Nov 2020

These clowns are whooping it up about “On To SCOTUS!!” and it’s been the plan all along. Small problem here: if the SCOTUS touches this in any way, IT COULD INVALIDATE EVERY ELECTION HELD IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY; FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL. This isn’t just
Pennsylvania, it could impact EVERY State’s mail-in ballots.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
49. State rulings on procedural grounds are not the jurisdiction of SCOTUS.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:01 AM
Nov 2020

The case would need to cite a constitutional claim. It didn’t. This case cannot be appealed to federal courts. The other case the 3rd circuit absolutely murdered is a federal case, but because it was dismissed with prejudice as well, the appeals only deal with the motion to dismiss and not allow additional amendments. Even if SCOTUS took it up, all they could do is revive the case to be amended, but after the slaughter in the 3rd circuit, it isn’t going anywhere.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
48. It makes me wonder how that have that "One."
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:58 PM
Nov 2020

Worst legal team ever? Considering the source, and the stakes, I'd have to say so.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
50. Order (from Democracy Docket)
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 06:10 AM
Nov 2020
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/68MAP2020pco-104617959120808426.pdf

... AND NOW, this 28th day of November, 2020, pursuant to 42 Pa.C.S. § 726,1 we
GRANT the application for extraordinary jurisdiction filed by the Commonwealth of
Pennsylvania, Governor Thomas W. Wolf, and Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy
Boockvar (“Commonwealth”), VACATE the Commonwealth Court’s order preliminarily
enjoining the Commonwealth from taking any further action regarding the certification of
the results of the 2020 General Election, and DISMISS WITH PREJUDICE the petition
for review filed by the Honorable Mike Kelly, Sean Parnell, Thomas A. Frank, Nancy
Kierzek, Derek Magee, Robin Sauter, and Wanda Logan (“Petitioners”). All other
outstanding motions are DISMISSED AS MOOT.

Petitioners filed the petition for review in Commonwealth Court on November 21,
2020, setting forth a facial challenge to those provisions of Act 77 of 2019, establishing
universal mail-in voting in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Petitioners sought a
declaration that the aforementioned provisions were unconstitutional and void ab initio,
and injunctive relief prohibiting the certification of the results of the General Election held
on November 3, 2020. As a remedy, Petitioners sought to invalidate the ballots of the
millions of Pennsylvania voters who utilized the mail-in voting procedures established by
Act 77 and count only those ballots that Petitioners deem to be “legal votes.” Alternatively,
Petitioners advocated the extraordinary proposition that the court disenfranchise all 6.9
million Pennsylvanians who voted in the General Election and instead “direct[] the
General Assembly to choose Pennsylvania’s electors.” Petition for Review at 24.
Upon consideration of the parties’ filings in Commonwealth Court, we hereby
dismiss the petition for review with prejudice based upon Petitioners’ failure to file their
facial constitutional challenge in a timely manner. Petitioners’ challenge violates the
doctrine of laches given their complete failure to act with due diligence in commencing
their facial constitutional challenge, which was ascertainable upon Act 77’s enactment. It
is well-established that “[l]aches is an equitable doctrine that bars relief when a
complaining party is guilty of want of due diligence in failing to promptly institute an action
to the prejudice of another.” Stilp v. Hafer, 718 A.2d 290, 292 (Pa. 1998)

The want of due diligence demonstrated in this matter is unmistakable. Petitioners
filed this facial challenge to the mail-in voting statutory provisions more than one year
after the enactment of Act 77. At the time this action was filed on November 21, 2020,
millions of Pennsylvania voters had already expressed their will in both the June 2020
Primary Election and the November 2020 General Election and the final ballots in the
2020 General Election were being tallied, with the results becoming seemingly apparent.
Nevertheless, Petitioners waited to commence this litigation until days before the county
boards of election were required to certify the election results to the Secretary of the
Commonwealth. Thus, it is beyond cavil that Petitioners failed to act with due diligence
in presenting the instant claim. Equally clear is the substantial prejudice arising from
Petitioners’ failure to institute promptly a facial challenge to the mail-in voting statutory
scheme, as such inaction would result in the disenfranchisement of millions of
Pennsylvania voters.

Accordingly, we grant the application for extraordinary jurisdiction, vacate the
Commonwealth Court’s order preliminarily enjoining the Commonwealth from taking any
further action regarding the certification of the results of the 2020 General Election, and
dismiss with prejudice Petitioners’ petition for review. All other outstanding motions are
dismissed as moot ...
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