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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Bradley P. Moss
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This pardon language is both broad and narrow at the same time. It's exclusively limited to the scope of information uncovered by the Special Counsel's probe and related grand jury investigations.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Bradley P. Moss
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This pardon language is both broad and narrow at the same time. It's exclusively limited to the scope of information uncovered by the Special Counsel's probe and related grand jury investigations.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document. (Original Post)
Nevilledog
Nov 2020
OP
It's the attorneys for the recipient of the pardon that should be moving to dismiss...
PoliticAverse
Nov 2020
#1
Exactly. In order for flynn to forfeit his 5th amendment right, *he* has to produce the pardon
unblock
Nov 2020
#3
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)1. It's the attorneys for the recipient of the pardon that should be moving to dismiss...
as the recipient has to tell the court that the parson exists and that they (the recipient) have accepted it.
unblock
(52,220 posts)3. Exactly. In order for flynn to forfeit his 5th amendment right, *he* has to produce the pardon
The court should not let the doj drop the case just because they are aware a pardon exists. The court should keep the case open unless and until flynn produces and accepts the pardon.
Nevilledog
(51,101 posts)2. Some discussion about the pardon
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Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa_
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Nov 30, 2020
Wow. Flynns pardon extends to any crimes within the investigatory authority of the Special Counsel, including crimes *arising* out of facts known to the SC within the scope of its investigation. Kinda suggests that his criminal liability wasnt just lying to the FBI 🤔🙄
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa_
I mean, if Flynn were really just set up in a perjury trap, and the FBI and Mueller had nothing else on him, why the need for such an expansive pardon? (FWIW, this seems to be worded with enough particularity interference to facts and circumstances to not be vague or overbroad)
4:06 PM · Nov 30, 2020
Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa_
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Nov 30, 2020
Wow. Flynns pardon extends to any crimes within the investigatory authority of the Special Counsel, including crimes *arising* out of facts known to the SC within the scope of its investigation. Kinda suggests that his criminal liability wasnt just lying to the FBI 🤔🙄
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa_
I mean, if Flynn were really just set up in a perjury trap, and the FBI and Mueller had nothing else on him, why the need for such an expansive pardon? (FWIW, this seems to be worded with enough particularity interference to facts and circumstances to not be vague or overbroad)
4:06 PM · Nov 30, 2020
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NEW: DOJ filed a motion to dismiss as moot #Flynn's case after Trump granted the former adviser "a full and unconditional pardon," with govt now telling the court that includes possible perjury or contempt charges or any other possible charges suggested by amicus counsel Gleeson.
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NEW: DOJ filed a motion to dismiss as moot #Flynn's case after Trump granted the former adviser "a full and unconditional pardon," with govt now telling the court that includes possible perjury or contempt charges or any other possible charges suggested by amicus counsel Gleeson.
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Neal Katyal
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Nov 30, 2020
I am no expert but this pardon looks written to try to establish a precedent for blanket pardons. It pardons all offenses within the jurisdiction of the Special Counsel, something Trump may hope to do for himself and the lawbreakers he surrounds himself with. Nice try wont work.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Neal Katyal
@neal_katyal
Ford pardoned Nixon in blanket way for 5 yr period, but the pardon noted there was an existing Grand jury investigation & could be read to be so confined-despite Fords attempt to go further. My point is this is sketchy,like all things Trump,Flynn pardon not about Flynn but Trump
4:11 PM · Nov 30, 2020
Neal Katyal
@neal_katyal
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Nov 30, 2020
I am no expert but this pardon looks written to try to establish a precedent for blanket pardons. It pardons all offenses within the jurisdiction of the Special Counsel, something Trump may hope to do for himself and the lawbreakers he surrounds himself with. Nice try wont work.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Neal Katyal
@neal_katyal
Ford pardoned Nixon in blanket way for 5 yr period, but the pardon noted there was an existing Grand jury investigation & could be read to be so confined-despite Fords attempt to go further. My point is this is sketchy,like all things Trump,Flynn pardon not about Flynn but Trump
4:11 PM · Nov 30, 2020
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Chris Geidner
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Nov 30, 2020
This is EXTREMELY broad. Not only a pardon for the crime for which Flynn was convicted and for anything relating to that, but also anything that Mueller did *or could have* investigated, *as well as* anything related to either grand jury (in DC or Virginia).
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein
He now has no Fifth Amendment protection at all. I hope there is an investigation into Russian involvement with Trump and others, and Flynn is questioned under oath.
4:34 PM · Nov 30, 2020
Chris Geidner
@chrisgeidner
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Nov 30, 2020
This is EXTREMELY broad. Not only a pardon for the crime for which Flynn was convicted and for anything relating to that, but also anything that Mueller did *or could have* investigated, *as well as* anything related to either grand jury (in DC or Virginia).
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: DOJ has moved to dismiss the Flynn case and released a copy of Trump's pardon document.
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Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein
He now has no Fifth Amendment protection at all. I hope there is an investigation into Russian involvement with Trump and others, and Flynn is questioned under oath.
4:34 PM · Nov 30, 2020
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)4. Sounds like they're trying to include his plan to kidnap that Muslim Cleric, without admitting it
in Public.
Nevilledog
(51,101 posts)6. The broader they make it lessens opportunity for him to plead the 5th.