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(Presented without comment... and that's the exact POLITICO headline. Read and discuss.)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/02/biden-left-second-guessing-442097
The Lefts Stupid Second-Guessing Of Biden
Its possible many people making the arguments against potential Biden appointees dont know what they are arguing.
By JOHN F. HARRIS
12/02/2020 04:30 AM EST
Altitude is a column by POLITICO founding editor John Harris,
offering weekly perspective on politics in a moment of radical disruption.
Rahm Emanuel and Bruce Reed are two longtime friends who both had high-level experience in the Clinton and Obama White House and now share another bond: Prominent voices on the left are urging President-elect Joe Biden not to bring them on for yet another tour of government service.
As it happens, Emanuel and Reed in 2005 also co-authored a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, in which these two Democratic moderates offered their prescriptions for the Democratic Party and the country in the generation ahead.
There must be a copy on the shelf around here somewhere. Surely it will be entertaining to read the cringeworthy things these centrists advocated 15 years ago, back when their timid, Clintonesque brand of politics was still in vogue. Probably there will be chapters urging Democrats to take it easy on Wall Street and tone down their class-warfare rhetoric. Perhaps sermons on bipartisanship and some tough-on-crime ideas to reassure anxious suburbanites.
Actually, turns out none of that is in The Plan. What is there are proposalswell before the idea of Barack Obama or Bernie Sanders running for president was widely contemplatedfor robust expansion of government to allow universal access to free college; universal health care for children; increases in the minimum wage and on taxes paid by the wealthy and corporations; and investments in clean energy with the aim of cutting national gasoline consumption in half by 2015.
Now the people who advocated these ideas are viewed as apostates by the Democratic left.
(more at link shown above)
malaise
(269,254 posts)Their opinion doesn't matter
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.
Overall, we rate Politico Left-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.
Gothmog
(145,794 posts)I disagree with a significant amount of the reporting but this site is not a right wing site by a long ways
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Knee-jerk denial is not an intelligent response to new information. It however is an excellent way of maintaining the kind of ignorance that defeats commitment and helps reelect Republicans.
Think it cant be true? Check that out, because what if it is?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)"0/0 results"
Cirque du So-What
(26,025 posts)Lets you and him fight!
dsc
(52,172 posts)One is that he frankly conspired to cover up a murder, and that should be disqualifying under any circumstances. But even without that, he simply was a very anti union guy when mayor of Chicago.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)The "left" is its own worst enemy.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)There's no denying or refuting it.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)reminded me of the same thing. They do not see what that does? If it's to our advantage, we cheer it on.
I cite always Christine O'Donnell, who lost a Senate seat the Republicans had in the bag, but they chose the more extreme candidate (the Witch) and lost.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This helps to put things into perspective. It's just a short paragraph from the Politico article, but it certainly explains much.
George II
(67,782 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)fascist Fuhrer.
We banded together and gave Joe and Kamala over 81,000,000 votes and still counting. J&K are ahead of Trump by close to 7,000,000 votes. 4.3%.
Be afraid, Politico, you ain't seen nothin' yet. 100,000,000 Democratic votes in 2024.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.
Overall, we rate Politico Left-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)differs from theirs.
Their disparaging of the "Left", for example.
If Democrats are not the "Left", then what does that make us?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... Biden's choices. They have illustrated that "the left" are objecting to Biden's choices for unjustified reasons, or for reasons of pride (ie: "she said Bernie wasn't the best candidate, therefore we don't like her!" Of course nobody said those words, but that's their justification and motivation.)
In any case, I think it weakens whatever point you're trying to make by making absurd accusations like "their beloved fascist Fuhrer" when such things are demonstrably false.
That's all I'm trying to say.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Remember, Emanuel stonewalled the investigation into Laquan McDonald's murder until after he was safely re-elected
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rahm-emanuel-joe-biden-progressive-wing_n_5fc6af50c5b6e4b1ea4f8075?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
Who in their right mind would support this pick?
George II
(67,782 posts)Looking at the facts of this horrible incident and the facts surrounding it:
The shooting took place on October 14, 2014.
The investigation began almost immediately after the shooting.
The election took place on February 24, 2015 - just 133 days after the shooting.
On April 13, 2015 the US Attorney's office confirmed that it was conducting a FEDERAL investigation.
There was no cover up - murder cases move slowly and if evidence is capriciously released before an investigation is completed it could affect any subsequent legal actions, like Grand Jury proceedings, indictment, or trial.
Barely a year after the shooting (roughly the normal amount of time in such cases) the officer was charged with first-degree murder, and on December 16, 2015 he was indicted by a grand jury on six counts of first-degree murder and additional charges.
The officer involved, Jason Van Dyke, was tried and convicted of second-degree murder and is in prison.
Three officers were also charged with conspiracy, misconduct, and obstruction of justice connected with a "coverup" and were acquitted.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Rahm Emmanuel was involved in a "cover up".
I'm not crazy about Emmanuel and don't know what kind of job he'd do, if anything, in a Biden administration, but to falsely accuse him of a crime is simply wrong.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I think it's an intentional smear.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Emanuel's administration covered up video evidence of Laquan McDonald's murder that proved the cops lied. There is no other way to interpret the sequence of events
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/opinion/cover-up-in-chicago.html
George II
(67,782 posts)....were charged with a coverup and subsequently acquitted.
The whole affair was messy and not handled properly, but that doesn't mean there was a coverup or intentional bungles. Even Emmanuel admitted that he made some errors in the handling of this. But they certainly didn't rise to the level of criminal behavior as many are claiming.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)It was a coverup, plain and simple.
Everything else is just hairsplitting.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Because listen to Black voters, right?
Emanuel, a former Obama chief of staff, was criticized during his tenure as mayor for the delay in releasing video showing the police shooting death of Laquan McDonald, a Black teenager, until after his 2015 reelection.
"The police violence in this country has been rampant, and individuals who have participated in the cover up or the actions, they shouldn't be considered here," Johnson said. "That is not the type of individual that should be a part of any administration.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-naacp-cabinet-members-civil-rights-policy
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... no need for me to repeat it all again here. I think he makes a better argument.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Look it up, the links are right there
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)At least not in any direct manner. It only paints a self-serving narrative that ignores the explosive nature of the video and how it upended the narrative surrounding Laquan's murder.
The fact of the matter is that Emanuel and his deputies kept the incriminating video under wraps because he was too scared to indict the crooked cops and risk the wrath of the cop unions during an election year. The video would have built up public pressure to put cops in handcuffs, complicating Rahm's campaign.
You could have read the NY Times op-ed analysis about the murder without dismissing it as an "editorial," but it is clear you are not interested in any good faith discussion of the topic. This will be the last reply I will make on this subject.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)Hillary lost because of depressed turnout of PoC, youth and urban areas - Biden won because he brought it back to normal levels (even if not as high as Obama levels).
People fixate on the Spanberger type of districts. But the fact remains, Democrats are a metrocentric party that cannot win any statewide or national race without heavy turnout from our urban base. Just look at any electoral map by county, and it is evident that Dem votes are concentrated in urban (ie diverse) areas, for whom progressive issues such as policing, systemic racism and income inequality are front and center.
melman
(7,681 posts)It's not.
George II
(67,782 posts)....I've seen them criticized for not being so enough.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LeftInTX
(25,719 posts)I always see it criticized here for being too far right....
(That doesn't make if too far right...I just see people complaining about it when they don't like an article)
I see it more neutral than anything...
There are a variety of opinions over at Politico.
Budi
(15,325 posts)They got nothin, in other words. 🙄
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Here's another excerpt from the Politico article that I found to be very interesting.
It was news to many who know both men that either man has an ideological profile different than the moderate progressivism embraced by most Democratic professional operatives, much less that there are important distinctions between them. Some activists dont like how Ricchetti represented corporate interests in his public affairs work when not in government.
Apparently working in venture capital with billionaire Steve Case, as Klain did when not in government, is better background for the kind of populist disruption the left is seeking. One Democrat who worked with both men in the Clinton and Obama White Houses joked that Klains success in positioning himself to the left of Ricchetti (who will serve in the West Wing as counselor) may be the best evidence that he has the necessary political cunning to be an effective chief of staff.
And that last sentence actually deserves to be quoted again in its own gray box...
Budi
(15,325 posts)betsuni
(25,752 posts)away with them so often. What is a slight difference in strategy or what can get enough votes is turned into an enormous serious ideological difference. Ridiculous.
And the ones going around claiming old idea like those in Emanuel and Reed's book are somehow new -- enough!
Cha
(297,935 posts)UTUSN
(70,779 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)He covered up the murder of a black man - nothing he wrote in some book 15 years ago excuses that away. He also did many other illiberal things (not just 'centrist') as mayor.
It was our diverse urban base (Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc) that flipped the swing states for Biden, and the policing issue as well as systemic racism is front and center for such voters.
George II
(67,782 posts)....who WERE indicted and tried for a cover up were acquitted.
radius777
(3,635 posts)like they always do - which is the entire policing/systemic racism issue in a nutshell.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You may as well be talking to a waffle-iron for all the good it will to provide anyone with facts and reason. (Nice try, though!)