Here's a new why I won't take the vaccine excuse

[leftyladyfrommo]

from someone online in Spokane.

His dad got polio from the Salk vaccine in 1955.

I remember those days really well. My brother and I were in the hospital for a few days because doctors were afraid we had polio. We didn't.

But we sure stood in line at Shadle Park HS to get our sugar cube when they became avaiable.

I remember all the awful photos of kids in iron lungs. It was awful.

[gopiscrap]

1. I agree

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my mom had polio as a child and it dogged her the rest of her life. BTW I live in Tacoma how's Spokane?

[hlthe2b]

7. "Put it past the cops to do such a thing?" Do what?

[gopiscrap]

17. was answering two posts at the same time...thanks for noticing...I corrected it

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. I grew up in Spokane and my family is still there.

I live in KCMO now.

[gopiscrap]

19. I spent a lot of time in Spokane and also

went up there when I was at WSU

[nilram]

2. That was a live vaccine then. We're not doing that this time.

Ask not for whom the clue phone rings, it rings for you!

[intrepidity]

3. Easy for a lay person to misundertand the science

Early vaccines were made using the actual virus that causes disease, but "killed" by heating, or otherwise modified to be non-infectious. However, the method is open to failure, as one can imagine.

Modern vaccines avoid this using diffrrent strategies altogether. In particular, the mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer), encode only a very small piece of the virus, the "S-protein"--the portion needed to gain entry into our cells. Thus, the rest of the virus is *never* ever represented in any way to our bodies. The chance for "inadvertant" infection is, literally, zero.

I'm a big fan of this strategy.

[RobinA]

4. I Remember

standing in line at an elementary school for our red colored sugar cubes. It was kind of fun. It sure beat those other damn shots that hurt!

[Mike 03]

5. That's a new one on me.

I know about the Simian Virus 40 contamination issue, but haven't heard of people getting polio from the Salk vaccine, which to my knowledge is inactivated.

Wasn't there an issue with an unrelated vaccine, a Sabin infectious attenuated polio vaccine? I don't know the details.

I always wanted to know more about the SV40 issue, since that is apparently a real issue for people who received it.

Association Between Simian Virus 40 and Human Tumors

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fonc.2019.00670/full

[lapfog_1]

8. It happened

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

but not possible with current SARS-COV-2 vaccines

especially the new mRNA technology.

[Mike 03]

11. Thank you. I'm pretty sure that will never ever happen again.

[NNadir]

6. We have some anti-vaxxers here at DU.

I interacted with one last week. The moron in question was stupid enough to question "safety" as if a disease that has killed over a million people on this planet and permanently impacted the health of millions more can be regarded as safe.

The asshole in question went on to carry on about putative plutonium in the rain in New Mexico, this on a planet where 70 million people die every decade from air pollution.

I wish I could say that contempt for science was limited to the right wing, but it isn't. We have our own avatars of the Dunning Krueger effect.

[NurseJackie]

9. I've had a similar misfortune.

I wish I could say that contempt for science was limited to the right wing, but it isn't.

Someone was obliquely arguing that masks were doing a good job and that people only needed to follow CDC guidelines and that would be enough.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Well, Partly Right

Masks help tremendously. To hold us over UNTIL A VACCINE IS AVAILABLE.
That poster left off the second half!

[redstatebluegirl]

12. I blocked 5 of them.

I have no stomach for people who deny science.

[obamanut2012]

16. Yup, some who have been here for almost decades now

Flummoxing.

[Mike 03]

10. Maybe it had to do with this issue in 1955. "Not properly inactivated"

Safety incidents

In April 1955, soon after mass polio vaccination began in the US, the Surgeon General began to receive reports of patients who contracted paralytic polio about a week after being vaccinated with Salk polio vaccine from Cutter pharmaceutical company, with the paralysis limited to the limb the vaccine was injected into. The Cutter vaccine had been used in vaccinating 200,000 children in the western and midwestern United States.[76] Later investigations showed that the Cutter vaccine had caused 40,000 cases of polio, killing 10.[76] In response the Surgeon General pulled all polio vaccine made by Cutter Laboratories from the market, but not before 250 cases of paralytic illness had occurred. Wyeth polio vaccine was also reported to have paralyzed and killed several children. It was soon discovered that some lots of Salk polio vaccine made by Cutter and Wyeth had not been properly inactivated, allowing live poliovirus into more than 100,000 doses of vaccine. In May 1955, the National Institutes of Health and Public Health Services established a Technical Committee on Poliomyelitis Vaccine to test and review all polio vaccine lots and advise the Public Health Service as to which lots should be released for public use. These incidents reduced public confidence in polio vaccine, leading to a drop in vaccination rates.[77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

Maybe if this person understands why it happened, and why it couldn't happen again, it would help with his understanding and confidence in modern vaccine science.

My dad had a polio scare but it was before the vaccine was invented.

[leftyladyfrommo]

15. I don't remember if we got shots. I just remember the

sugar cubes.

[leftyladyfrommo]

14. That was 60 years ago. Come on. Medicine has

improved a little since then.

Spokane has been hit pretty hard with Covid. I worry about my family . My niece has RA and she works in the deli department at Safeway. She always has a mask on.

My brother is 75 and in good health but his wife has multiple health issues.

They are all trying to be really careful but they still get together for family stuff. My brother's older daughter's husband works in administration in a hospital and their 4 year old goes to daycare.

Scares me but they don't seem to be too bothered.

[uponit7771]

18. I wont take it until proven safe for people with PEC, that's common sense and not anti vax.