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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe 2nd on Netflix movie about gun control. - Were they trying to say something about the left ?
SPOILER ALERT!!
I watched this on Netflix last night and was really creeped out by it. I felt like this was subtle or not so subtle messaging about left leaning folks that want gun control. I felt like it fed the notion of " Radicals on the Left, Deep State" bullcrap. Somebody talk me down.
Or was this just Hollywood imagination as usual? It is in the top ten watched on Netflix, however its not getting good reviews. The acting is awful too. My review though is that there is some propaganda here about people that want gun control.
Premise of the movie:
The 2nd follows secret-service agent, Vic Davis, on his way to pick up his estranged son, Sean, from his college campus when he finds himself in the middle of a high-stakes terrorist operation. Yikes. His son's friend Erin Walton (the daughter of a Supreme Court Justice) is the target, and this armed gang will stop at nothing to kidnap her and use her as leverage for a pending landmark legal case.
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A Secret Service agent must save his son and the daughter of a Supreme Court justice from armed terrorists.
This movie has gotten a lot of bad reviews. Panned as a really bad Die Hard wannabe.
My problem with the movie is its all good and well until you realize that the terrorists were trying to force the hand of the Supreme Court to get rid of the 2nd amendment. They do not come right out and say that. However, when the mastermind of the plot - The Director of The CIA - talks about kids killed in school and how sometimes you have to sacrifice a few to save many, it becomes clear which way they want the court to decide. When its found that he's the mastermind of the plot, he says he's the tip of the spear" - My point again about - furthering that deep state crap.
It just felt like propaganda turned into a movie. The left want to take away the 2nd amendment, they want to take away your guns, the deep state. Radicals, they are coming for you.
Somebody talk me down. Am I reading too much into this? Was this just Hollywood being Hollywood.
jimfields33
(15,793 posts)Some bad, some good. I think they try to relate to all viewers and not just democratic voters. Just a bunch.
JHB
(37,160 posts)..."action flick spiced with conservative propaganda" theme exemplified by Red Dawn, and, hell, Rambo (mainly the second, not so much the first), any random Chuck Norris movie, or, for that matter, the Dirty Harry series and similar vigilante movies.
The bad guys are The Enemy and every bit as awful to get the audience feeling that way. The Obstacles (like the police chief and mayor in Dirty Harry) are cowardly, venal, and stupid and/or stupidly bleeding heart types.
Any film called The 2nd (as in the amendment) that mainly tries to be an action flick is going to fall into this category.
Yes, this is Hollywood being Hollywood, and likely yes, you're reading too much into it. You can see from my examples above, Hollywood has been doing these for a long time. On the other hand, films like this also reinforce conservative spin and propaganda by normalizing it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Of course not everyone making movies and writing screenplays is liberal-leaning. Only most.
The two Kingsman movies are similarly tinged.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)I like both of them. Perfect escapism. Which is why I didn't pay enough attention to the premise. The villains are so "cartoonish", its easy to not take them seriously. At least for me. But looking back, yeah its a similar concept going on there, with turning liberal causes into murderous plots.
At least the Kingsman movies were fun to watch. This movie was just creepy.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)And would not shed a tear if it was repealed.
Many think that gun ownership should be a highly-vetted privilege granted by the government rather than an individual civil right.
A ban on "assault weapons" is in the Democratic Party's platform and has been for decades. So have magazine-capacity limits.
State-level (and sometimes Federal-level) Democrats routinely propose:
Extremely high taxes on guns and ammunition "to pay for gun violence"
Registration of some or all firearms (with fees, again to pay for gun violence).
Limits on quantities of ammunition that can be purchased
Waiting periods of purchases of guns
Limits to the numbers of guns bought per month
Changing concealed-carry permitting from "shall-issue" to "may-issue", or even "no-issue".
Things like micro-stamping and ballistic fingerprinting, which require of course gun registration.
Last winter here in CT there was a run on bulk ammo because a Hartford legislator proposed a massive excise tax on ammo "to pay for gun violence prevention and damage", just as an example.
There are damn few Republicans proposing any of this stuff. And when the Democrats flipped the Virginia government in 2018, they passed several gun-control bills.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)Whatever their viewpoint is,
I don't think any democrat here would want a murderous plot to get rid of it
krispos42
(49,445 posts)You said the plot was about getting SCOTUS to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
Well, there's the factual basis.
kcr
(15,316 posts)The OP clearly laid out how it's a movie with a plot about a plan rooted in the Deep State to violently push a gun control agenda. You know, just like they do in real life
This clearly appeals to you. Maybe you should watch the movie.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)While obviously the deep state is merely Trump's defensive smokescreen and distracting shiny object for his legions of snowflakes, it does not change the facts on my reply.
The OPer wrote " I felt like this was subtle or not so subtle messaging about left leaning folks that want gun control."
I replied with facts. I've had numerous discussions with DUers on this, as well as read news articles related to the topic and seen DUers responses to the articles.
A big part of the Democratic brand is gun control. A Democratic president and a Democratic congress passed the first federal assault-weapons ban on 1993. States run by Democrats have strict gun-control laws. Another Democratic president with his Democratic allies in Congress tried to pass a new, expanded AWB in 2013. When Democrats flip a from red to blue, they pass gun control laws, or at least try to.
These are facts and not up for debate.
Crunchy Frog
(26,582 posts)doc03
(35,332 posts)distracted by the almost comically bad special effects in the movie I pretty much forgot about the plot. The action scenes
reminded me of the old Godzilla movies of the 1950s or cheap Kung Fu movies. I watched one last night called Peppermint
about a women taking out revenge on a drug cartel that killed her husband and daughter. She went training for five years then comes back to LA and by herself wipes out an entire drug cartel in hand to hand combat and guns lots of guns. It killed a couple hours and
took my mind off of Trump and the COVID for a while.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)Must be hard for him to get top notch jobs these days.
LeftInTX
(25,311 posts)Plenty of other stuff to watch...
I'll check out the Selena series. My friend liked it, but he likes anything Selena. Reviews weren't too good.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)We will never get it repealed, but I see no restrictions on how the SC interprets it.
Liberal In Texas
(13,551 posts)Really horrible acting and stupid writing. It had the feel of a movie made by some ex-porn stars looking for main-stream jobs.
But before I turned it off I was getting a pretty RW vibe about gun control and evil libs.
Don't waste your time. One of the worst movies I have ever seen.