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Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:01 PM Dec 2020

The Moderna vaccine was created BEFORE anyone died...

... from the virus in the USA! Then the initial clinical trials were started in early 2020.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

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You may be surprised to learn that of the trio of long-awaited coronavirus vaccines, the most promising, Moderna’s mRNA-1273, which reported a 94.5 percent efficacy rate on November 16, had been designed by January 13. This was just two days after the genetic sequence had been made public in an act of scientific and humanitarian generosity that resulted in China’s Yong-Zhen Zhang’s being temporarily forced out of his lab. In Massachusetts, the Moderna vaccine design took all of one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged that the disease could be transmitted from human to human, more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case in the United States. By the time the first American death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health for the beginning of its Phase I clinical trial. This is — as the country and the world are rightly celebrating — the fastest timeline of development in the history of vaccines. It also means that for the entire span of the pandemic in this country, which has already killed more than 250,000 Americans, we had the tools we needed to prevent it.
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The Moderna vaccine was created BEFORE anyone died... (Original Post) Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 OP
"Completed" Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #1
Yup, but clicks are golden GeorgeGist Dec 2020 #15
creation is a smaller piece. Most important is clinical trials AlexSFCA Dec 2020 #2
I agree. I just wasn't aware it's been around that long! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #3
that is a ridiculous argument. drray23 Dec 2020 #4
What's the argument in the article? Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #7
research does not always yield successful results. drray23 Dec 2020 #11
Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #12
It is not officially a "vaccine" until it is proven to work. tinrobot Dec 2020 #5
Agreed. nt Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #8
Amazing, considering they've never manufactured or distributed a vaccine before. nt ecstatic Dec 2020 #6
It also proves 'Operation Warp Speed' had nothing to do with the vaccine. louis-t Dec 2020 #9
Yep, and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump slowed... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #10
This is a very bizarre article. LisaL Dec 2020 #13
I wasn't aware it was produced that long ago. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #14
I think the wording at times was a bit unfortunate Hav Dec 2020 #17
Isn't Moderna the one that Dolly Parton helped fund? Buns_of_Fire Dec 2020 #16

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
2. creation is a smaller piece. Most important is clinical trials
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:05 PM
Dec 2020

it doesn’t matter at all when drugs or vaccine were “created”. It only matters when it actually passed all clinical trials. It’s quite common for pharma to sit on patents for years.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
3. I agree. I just wasn't aware it's been around that long!
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:08 PM
Dec 2020

Hindsight is 20/20, and we don't know a vaccine works safely until it's tested!

drray23

(7,637 posts)
4. that is a ridiculous argument.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:08 PM
Dec 2020

its akin to saying the house is build and ready to move in because you just got the drawings from the architect.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
7. What's the argument in the article?
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:14 PM
Dec 2020

Another quote from the article:
"To be clear, I don’t want to suggest that Moderna should have been allowed to roll out its vaccine in February or even in May, when interim results from its Phase I trial demonstrated its basic safety."

drray23

(7,637 posts)
11. research does not always yield successful results.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:19 PM
Dec 2020

There are many roadblocks, setbacks and false starts. Designing a vaccine is tricky. Of course in hindsight its now easy to look back and say see we had this back then. Truthfully we did not know if it would pan out until we ran all testing.

tinrobot

(10,913 posts)
5. It is not officially a "vaccine" until it is proven to work.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:10 PM
Dec 2020

They still had to go through testing, which does take time. That is a big part of the "creation" process.

Maybe that testing could have been done more quickly, but inferring that it was ready in January doesn't help the story.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
10. Yep, and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump slowed...
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:16 PM
Dec 2020

... the process somehow.

I have no evidence, but that would be par for the course for him and his psychopath collaborators.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
13. This is a very bizarre article.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:21 PM
Dec 2020

The design was done quickly. That doesn't mean you should start injecting people right away. Vaccines need to be tested, and it takes a long time.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
14. I wasn't aware it was produced that long ago.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 10:25 PM
Dec 2020

That's the point for me, and I assumed others possibly didn't know either.

Also that Moderna was way ahead of Trump and his "Warp Speed" proclamations.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
17. I think the wording at times was a bit unfortunate
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 07:25 AM
Dec 2020

as it seemed to indicate that the solution was there before all the deaths happened and it might also fuel conspiracy theorists.
Not sure whether it has to do with this mRNA technology but it is indeed amazing how fast a template for a vaccine could get created. It's not anymore the search for a vaccine that takes a long time but the process to make sure it works and that it's safe.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,188 posts)
16. Isn't Moderna the one that Dolly Parton helped fund?
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 07:13 AM
Dec 2020

If so, ain't no way should it be named after fatass. Call it "Dolly" or "Jolene" or something like that. That'll tick him off even more.

There's probably only two things he likes about her, anyway.

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