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(83,754 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)At the time, I was like, wellllllll mmmmmmmmmm, SURE HOPE SO
So far, so great!!
(sure feels like that long ago, yep!!)
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)The judiciary will hold?
I remember that post.
malaise
(268,987 posts)Yes indeed
msongs
(67,405 posts)Mister Ed
(5,931 posts).. because I knew in my heart you were right.
Thank you, ma'am.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Your words then gave me comfort.
Thank you, EffieBlack.
coeur_de_lion
(3,676 posts)I wasn't too worried but it is nice to have confirmation.
mcar
(42,316 posts)But it has held.
(Doesn't mean we'll like future decisions )
Nictuku
(3,610 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)I was a clerk for an appellate court many years ago, and I saw first-hand how careful judges are - at least the ones I worked with - to stick to the law and avoid politics. They also don't like having their own powers invaded or questioned by politicians. The bias we see from judges arises from legal rather than political philosophies, which don't necessarily coincide. For example, a "conservative" court will tend to take a more restrictive view of individual rights than a "liberal" court, but that doesn't mean they will ignore the law altogether to suit the whims of a politician, especially the one who appointed them. We've already seen that judges appointed by Trump have thrown out his ridiculous lawsuits. Even Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have written opinions holding against the administration. There are some bad judges. Most of them are not.
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AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)I'm so thankful!
crickets
(25,976 posts)Since then it's been a bumpy ride, but you were right. The judiciary did hold. We have republic still.
mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)judges, even right leaning ones, are not going to have their legacy be circumventing the legal process and just hand the election to trump in an authoritarian sort of way. No matter what they did prior to, and after, they would be remembered for nothing else. They would never escape it.
George II
(67,782 posts)....of how conservative judges may be ideologically, they will rule on the side of the Constitution and the country.
We've now seen it dozens of times since Election day, and at least twice today, too.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The stacked SCOTUS will be hearing the Texas case.
dware
(12,374 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Gilbert Moore
(218 posts)You gave me hope.
As I watched the trumpanzee legal team pee up a rope, your post gave me a degree of comfort.
We are so close to the finish line and they have exhausted their avenues of pursuit. It's all over.
THANKS for sharing your wisdom !
sandensea
(21,633 posts)May it ever be so - but as Gore v. Bush showed us, they're not immune from crass political pressure.
And with all these 30/40-something year-old Cheeto appointees entrenched in their judgeships for life, we may not be so lucky next time.
BumRushDaShow
(128,947 posts)why Roberts throwing out Section 4 "pre-clearance" (and Section 5 that is tied to it listing states/localities) of the 1964 Voting Rights Act, helped to create this current litigation nightmare.
If anyone needed proof through documentation, of how counties in specific states with large minority populations were targeted for harassment, not just for voter suppression, but for total disenfranchisement and premeditated negation of their votes, here we have that proof, compiled from over 50 frivolous lawsuits (so far), just over the past month.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)if Roberts is rethinking that decision.
I hope GA Dems can win us a chance for a new, more permanent voting rights act.
Absent that, it looks as though the suits are here for good. Big Corp is behind them, imo.
On their end it's nothing personal, just business.
BumRushDaShow
(128,947 posts)was that the list of states/counties requiring DOJ "pre-clearance" before making any changes in their voter laws, were "outdated". So basically the court threw out those sections and sent it back to Congress to update.
And in fact, House and Senate Dems have attempted a recent update with the " (John Lewis) Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2019" (H.R. 4 in the House and S.4263 in the Senate) to restore and update the VRA.
Since a new Congress will be seated next month, those bills are moot and they have to resubmit them for the new session. But I would think that given what we have experienced with this election so far, they would have quite a bit of additional material to include in their updated legislation.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Indeed, the 117th will definitely have to harden up new legislation. States will challenge it, regardless.
jonstl08
(412 posts)I was telling friends the Supreme Court especially John Roberts would not want to have anything to do with deciding this election because they would be concerned about their legacy.
Still believe that and hope it stays true. Feel Trump and his GOP enablers are going to try some more crap.
Hekate
(90,677 posts)...there are days its hard to hold on to the light.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,656 posts)betsuni
(25,511 posts)Gothmog
(145,195 posts)I am glad to agree with you on this
Maeve
(42,282 posts)I really, really want to have faith, but....let the Supreme Court slap down Texas and be done with it.
You have been a beacon of light thru this and I thank you for that. I wish I could believe totally, but my faith in America's strength has been shaken to the core the past few years. Looking out my front door and STILL seeing three houses with tRump signs out is very depressing.
dware
(12,374 posts)no role in the election, nor in civilian law enforcement duties.
betsuni
(25,511 posts)Caliman73
(11,736 posts)Good to see you even for a short post.
Yes they are definitely holding. While concern about such partisan judges still remains in other areas, I agree that the VAST majority of judges and justices understand when some one is blatantly trying to destroy every democratic principle we have, in order to retain power. They do not want to be remembered in history as the people who handed the US to fascism.
Bettie
(16,104 posts)but I won't lose the anxiety until the inauguration is completed.
Gothmog
(145,195 posts)From Prof. Hasen's election law blog. https://electionlawblog.org/?p=119508
In other words, a plaintiff cannot establish standing by asserting an abstract general interest common to all members of the public, id., at 440, no matter how sincere or deeply committed a plaintiff is to vindicating that general interest on behalf of the public, Hollingsworth, supra, at 706707. Justice Powell explained the reasons for this limitation. He found it inescapable that to find standing based upon that kind of interest would significantly alter the allocation of power at the national level, with a shift away from a democratic form of government. United States v. Richardson, 418 U. S. 166, 188 (1974) (concurring opinion). He added that [w]e should be ever mindful of the contradictions that would arise if a democracy were to permit general oversight of the elected branches of government by a non-representative, and in large measure insulated, judicial branch. Ibid.; see also Schlesinger v. Reservists Comm. to Stop the War, 418 U. S. 208, 222 (1974); Warth v. Seldin, 422 U. S. 490, 500 (1975).
Today's ruling may play a case in the SCOTUS review of the Texas lawsuit