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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 PM Dec 2020

"Electoral Fraud" will now be the new "Birtherism"

Mark my words. Republicans will use "Electoral Fraud" to discredit and hound Biden with from now until the end of his term in office much in the same way that Republicans used the "Birtherism" conspiracy to discredit and hound Obama during his terms in office. The Birtherism conspiracy, despite his wild claims to the contrary, ended up being embraced and led, ironically, by one Donald Trump, who repeatedly egged the Birthers on and on promised major developments in proving the Birther's fever dreams but in the end delivered nothing (although pushing Obama to showing everybody his birth certificate, something which no President has ever been asked to do AFAIK). All those investigators he supposedly sent to Hawaii never returned, apparently. Like with Birtherism, many Congressional Republicans won't necessary flogg the theory that Biden cheated on a hereto never before seen scale with this past election themselves but they will- much as they are already doing- speak in coded, mealy-mouthed language that carefully skirts around the conspiracy theories about electoral fraud being pushed by the new "Tea Party" (which will this time around likely be the Qanon folks). Ultimately, they will appear to be disavowing the theories to a media that will credulously claim that they're not wacko to believe such nonsense, but not so much that the Q folks think they've turned on them and prompt them to attempt to primary them in the next election. We need to be prepared for this. The Republicans led by Gym Jordan in the House are prepared to not even accept an Electoral College certification next week. I would suspect that they will attempt to continue to file lawsuits and, if they retain power in the Senate and/or gain power in the House in the next election, find ways to further "investigate" and litigate these wild claims. I suspect as well, if they hold the Senate, they will, as McConnell (assuming he's elected Majority Leader gain, which he probably would) and other Republicans like Lindsey Graham have already vowed, fight tooth and nail to deny Biden cabinet nominees, judicial nominees, etc. and use "Electoral Fraud" as the excuse to do so (even though they would be doing it no matter what but this just gives them some cover, however false and disingenuous). It is incumbent on all Democrats in the House and Senate to recognize what I believe the Republicans' strategy is going to be and develop the means to counteract it as effectively as possible or else we might wind up going through another 4-8 years of energized Republican opposition to meaningful progress and further polarization and division in this country.

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"Electoral Fraud" will now be the new "Birtherism" (Original Post) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 OP
I think our reasons in 2016 were valid, but it's not like we didn't Hoyt Dec 2020 #1
Except Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #2
You and I might have moved on, but a lot didn't. Hoyt Dec 2020 #4
Gee... hurple Dec 2020 #3
Republicans don't need a reason, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #5
I don't think it's the same. David__77 Dec 2020 #6
I know they're not fundamentally the same thing Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #7
Agreed! David__77 Dec 2020 #9
Remember the song in Gypsy, Gotta Have a Gimmick and the strippers are demonstrating their Karadeniz Dec 2020 #8
Election Fraud ? Just say seven million! UCmeNdc Dec 2020 #10
Mind you Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #11
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. I think our reasons in 2016 were valid, but it's not like we didn't
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 11:15 PM
Dec 2020

claim collusion, fraud, etc. I’m afraid that’s what elections will be like for awhile, the losers claiming they’ve been robbed, cheated, . . . . .

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
2. Except
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 11:29 PM
Dec 2020

Our elected Reps conceded, cooperated with the transition process and acknowledged that Trump won however much they probably personally hated every moment of it. And there were valid, founded reasons to be concerned about that election. In the end, though, nobody found anything that suggested that the election should have been overturned. We accepted the reality of our loss and moved on. What I’m talking about is not analogous to what happened in 2016 or not even in 2000 or 2004.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
5. Republicans don't need a reason,
Tue Dec 8, 2020, 11:51 PM
Dec 2020

they can just go with Socialism and baby killers. I asked my Trump neighbors why Republicans haven't criminalized abortion yet now that they own the Supreme Court? They had no answer.

David__77

(23,396 posts)
6. I don't think it's the same.
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:11 AM
Dec 2020

Birtherism is straight-up white supremacy - not much more to it at all. The "fraud" thing is a matter of fascist politics.

Trump will be the leader of the Republican Party for the coming period. The Democrats would do well to run against Trump and fascism, in my opinion.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
7. I know they're not fundamentally the same thing
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:24 AM
Dec 2020

I was just suggesting how it might be used like the Republicans used Birtherism against Obama. It’s an “issue” that Republicans will either endlessly flog to hound President Obama or pay enough lip service to keep their base agitated and voting for them in the years to come.

Karadeniz

(22,516 posts)
8. Remember the song in Gypsy, Gotta Have a Gimmick and the strippers are demonstrating their
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:37 AM
Dec 2020

Gimmicks? That's the GOP, just one 3-word gimmick after another.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
11. Mind you
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 11:49 AM
Dec 2020

I'm not saying that their claims are legitimate. Just saying that they will continue the fraud accusations for years to come.

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