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RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 AM Jan 2021

I don't understand all the calls for impeachment.

Don't these people realize that impeachment will go nowhere. There would be no chance of prosecution with Moscow Mitch in charge.

Therefore, I feel that it would be better to charge him with all of his crimes at 12:01 on 21 January. That way there could be a proper trial by the courts, not by his lackeys in the Senate, and he could be charged with his many offenses since he took office. Granted, he would spend a lot of time in the courts, but many of the charges will stick, resulting in jail time. He could end up in prison for the rest of his life if we are lucky.

I am certain that New York State will apprehend him shortly after he is out of office, and proceed to try him for his crimes in New York. Will other states join in? It would do well to serve justice.

Then there are the more than 350,000 counts of negligent homicide that he should answer to, but I will not harp on that one.

He needs to go to jail for the rest of his life, and this can only be accomplished in the courts.

So, forget impeachment, get him when he is out of office.

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I don't understand all the calls for impeachment. (Original Post) RocRizzo55 Jan 2021 OP
Ties him up, forces people to take a stand for or against soothsayer Jan 2021 #1
Plus he would be banned from running again for ANY office. Zoonart Jan 2021 #5
That is only if he is convicted in the Senate and THEN barred via a 2nd vote in the Senate, albeit Celerity Jan 2021 #25
Thank you for posting this. I had forgotten. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2021 #30
Right! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #22
How does it tie him up? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #39
It weighs on him mentally soothsayer Jan 2021 #54
Yeah. That's gonna make a difference StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #58
I guess I just like anything that assaults his ego soothsayer Jan 2021 #61
How does it "tie him up"? nt dware Jan 2021 #47
I agree, impeachment now is a waste of time and money. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #2
I agree with you, but it would be a good thing to let him live with the fact..... Firestorm49 Jan 2021 #21
Right, would be nice to see him squirm about that. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #24
Stop him 100% from having the ability to run for office Iwasthere Jan 2021 #3
Do you think that RocRizzo55 Jan 2021 #9
He's not going to jail or prison. He might face some charges in a court of law but, even if found... DonViejo Jan 2021 #20
I agree, I would be surprised if he actually serves jail time. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #26
His worst punishment would probably be a big $$$ fine and house arrest DonViejo Jan 2021 #29
I even doubt the house arrest, but agree about a big $$$$ fine. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #37
Not much good to fine him either. He's already 500 mil to 1B in debt. panader0 Jan 2021 #55
Sell all of his real estate holdings DonViejo Jan 2021 #59
No, it wouldn't StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #42
... dware Jan 2021 #48
Moscow Mitch might not remain in charge for long. LisaL Jan 2021 #4
Not sure the House could prepare and schedule impeachment hearings and vote in 20 days... Thomas Hurt Jan 2021 #6
Do it now open and shut case and then make the republican senators defend the indefensible Botany Jan 2021 #7
How many presidents have been impeached twice...so it's for the history books. Also, if by chance Karadeniz Jan 2021 #8
That's not true. dware Jan 2021 #35
I tend to agree, but there could be an upside for McConnell tinrobot Jan 2021 #10
McConnell is seeing his coalition fracture right now in front of his eyes. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #28
With chaos comes opportunity. tinrobot Jan 2021 #32
It's headed for the abyss. The seditious senators won't roll back so easily. Irish_Dem Jan 2021 #50
We can multitask Rorey Jan 2021 #11
If anything, that kind of a headline will drive trump crazy... dubyadiprecession Jan 2021 #12
Actually he could be busted Wednesday afternoon. Better to not let him slither away in the darkness. Towlie Jan 2021 #13
Because it's the right thing to do. Because you need to send a damn message berni_mccoy Jan 2021 #14
there is at least one reason jobendorfer Jan 2021 #15
Can't pardon for impeachment? Good insight. I like that a lot. tinrobot Jan 2021 #33
there are no certainties... stillcool Jan 2021 #16
Of course this assumes there is no more damage left for him to do between today and Jan 20. NoRoadUntravelled Jan 2021 #17
And impeachment does not remove him from office...he gone in just over two weeks...we have Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #45
Impeachment is the only thing that could make him ineligible to be President again servermsh Jan 2021 #18
WRONG! sfstaxprep Jan 2021 #23
Even a conviction and removal by the Senate will not bar him from dware Jan 2021 #36
If that is the case he would already be ineligible...he was impeached...but not convicted and Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #38
... dware Jan 2021 #43
Where does this idea come from? I see people promoting in on many forums today. It isn't true. FSogol Jan 2021 #49
Just Because Timewas Jan 2021 #19
NO and NO. Nothing should ever be done without considering the political ramifications. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #40
I bet some feel impeaching sedition is more essential than impeaching over Ukraine BadgerKid Jan 2021 #27
He is gone in 16 days...don't care what 'some' feel. It would not be a good idea Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #44
i support it, cuz it goes in the history books. mopinko Jan 2021 #31
My favorite thing for the history books is...Biden has a great presidency, we win 2022 and Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #46
It won't work OLDMDDEM Jan 2021 #34
In the middle of a pandemic-bad optics for Democrats plus there is too little time. A motion jalan48 Jan 2021 #41
If we win the GA seats, Mitch won't be in charge. nt. Sogo Jan 2021 #51
The simple fact is that the House members took an oath to defend the Constitution. Sogo Jan 2021 #52
The calls should be for indictment at this point. Lock him up. Vinca Jan 2021 #53
Impeach him. Let him know he is the only president to be impeached twice. marie999 Jan 2021 #56
He's on the way out of the door anyway Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2021 #57
You're not wrong JonLP24 Jan 2021 #60

Celerity

(44,477 posts)
25. That is only if he is convicted in the Senate and THEN barred via a 2nd vote in the Senate, albeit
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jan 2021

Trump can be convicted and removed and still not barred from holding future office, unless a simple majority voted to bar him via that 2nd vote (I assume they WOULD do so, for if they do not he would surely try and run in 2024 if for no other reason than red, raw revenge).

Alcee Hastings (when he was a Federal Judge) was impeached, convicted, and removed, but was not barred, and now has been a US House Rep from Florida for what will be 30 years. He is 84yo, so no idea how many more times he runs for re-election.

Irish_Dem

(50,309 posts)
2. I agree, impeachment now is a waste of time and money.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 AM
Jan 2021

The money is better spent helping the American people.
Start legal action right after the inauguration.

Firestorm49

(4,060 posts)
21. I agree with you, but it would be a good thing to let him live with the fact.....
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jan 2021

that he was the only President to be twice impeached. I must sound childish, but I hate him enough to relish in seeing the worm squirm.

Irish_Dem

(50,309 posts)
24. Right, would be nice to see him squirm about that.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jan 2021

But also nice to see the him hit with a ton of legal bricks on Jan 20th.

Iwasthere

(3,207 posts)
3. Stop him 100% from having the ability to run for office
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

... which in turn would curb his grifting and his cult for the next 4 years, he wouldn't have a 2024 run possibility.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
9. Do you think that
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jan 2021

he would run from prison? Somehow, I don't think that he would get the votes from there. He's no Eugene Debs, for cryin' out loud!

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. He's not going to jail or prison. He might face some charges in a court of law but, even if found...
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:11 PM
Jan 2021

guilty, he will spend no time locked up. He might face a huge monetary fine and maybe be placed under house arrest but jail/prison is not in his future. Besides, he and his lawyers will drag out any court case until he gets his great reward in hell.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
42. No, it wouldn't
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jan 2021

An impeached president can be barred from running again ONLY if convicted and removed by the Senate on a 2/3 vote AND if the Senate votes - again with a 2/3 majority - to ban him from holding office in the future. That's not going to happen.

LisaL

(45,036 posts)
4. Moscow Mitch might not remain in charge for long.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

Of course any impeachment has to be done before 21st, so that won't help. I still don't mind if Trump gets impeached again.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
6. Not sure the House could prepare and schedule impeachment hearings and vote in 20 days...
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jan 2021

in the first place, even if you do it, just to do it on principle.

House committees must investigate and expose to the public Trump's bad acts though.

Impeachment just isn't the right way to go about it IMO.

Botany

(70,897 posts)
7. Do it now open and shut case and then make the republican senators defend the indefensible
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jan 2021

They have him on tape committing crimes.

Karadeniz

(22,824 posts)
8. How many presidents have been impeached twice...so it's for the history books. Also, if by chance
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jan 2021

The Senate convicted the criminal, he'd never again be able to hold a public office.

dware

(12,725 posts)
35. That's not true.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jan 2021

There would have to be a second vote to bar him from ever holding Fed. office again.
And an Impeachment trial is not a criminal trial.

tinrobot

(10,980 posts)
10. I tend to agree, but there could be an upside for McConnell
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:02 PM
Jan 2021

I seriously doubt McConnell enjoys having Trump around. A successful impeachment could be a good power play for McConnell. He'd dispense with Trump's attempts at a 2024 run and neuter his ability to control the party. McConnell would then become the presumed head of the party.

Of course, the party could fracture, so that's the downside.

Irish_Dem

(50,309 posts)
28. McConnell is seeing his coalition fracture right now in front of his eyes.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jan 2021

Does he want to add fuel to that fire?
That is the downside.

And I also agree that McConnell wants Trump gone in the worst way.
But he will have to find another way to do that.

And yes McConnell wants to be the undisputed head of the GOP.

tinrobot

(10,980 posts)
32. With chaos comes opportunity.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

That fracture could cut both ways. It could either drag the party even further towards the abyss, or it could swing back.

If McConnell can find the votes to hit 2/3, he's suddenly the alpha male. And with a 6 year term, he'll be hard to topple. He could trumpet it as being for the 'good of the country' and redeem himself with the middle to some degree. The seditious senators would probably come back into the fold as well.

But you're right in that it probably won't happen.


Irish_Dem

(50,309 posts)
50. It's headed for the abyss. The seditious senators won't roll back so easily.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:43 PM
Jan 2021

I think McConnell may be having a few sleepless nights, wondering if he is going to lose control of the senate and his coalition. He must be making plans to get the 2/3 votes as you say to retain his alpha male status.

Rorey

(8,455 posts)
11. We can multitask
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:05 PM
Jan 2021

As someone explained on Morning Joe this morning, another impeachment puts another black mark on his legacy. Has any other president been impeached TWICE???

The thing is, when somebody does something wrong, it should be noted. When the wrongdoings are as egregious as those of Donald J. Trump, there should be a HUGE spotlight shone on it. Even if there are no consequences, such as removal, another impeachment by the House sends the message that we WILL acknowlege the criminal behavior. WE won't excuse it. Just because the Senate won't do the right thing (again), doesn't mean the House shouldn't.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

dubyadiprecession

(5,847 posts)
12. If anything, that kind of a headline will drive trump crazy...
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:05 PM
Jan 2021

Not that he doesn’t know how to get there on his own!

Towlie

(5,345 posts)
13. Actually he could be busted Wednesday afternoon. Better to not let him slither away in the darkness.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:05 PM
Jan 2021

 
?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
14. Because it's the right thing to do. Because you need to send a damn message
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jan 2021

That the President can be held accountable.

Even if he’s not convicted, you must perform the Constitutional requirement of holding a derelict President accountable.

jobendorfer

(510 posts)
15. there is at least one reason
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jan 2021

With respect to all who are questioning the utility of impeachment, I can think of one argument *for* impeachment.
If Trump is impeached by the house on a charge of interfering with an election / threatening an election official, then he cannot be pardoned for that act. Charges leveled by impeachment are exempt from federal pardons.

John

tinrobot

(10,980 posts)
33. Can't pardon for impeachment? Good insight. I like that a lot.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

Does that mean the orange turd can still be prosecuted for the Ukraine mess?

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
16. there are no certainties...
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:08 PM
Jan 2021

especially with the GOP, Trump, and the in-Justice system.. I would welcome the official airing of every wrong-headed thing he's done.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
17. Of course this assumes there is no more damage left for him to do between today and Jan 20.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:08 PM
Jan 2021

Perhaps too many still underestimate his desperation and depravity under the watch of his Russian boss.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
45. And impeachment does not remove him from office...he gone in just over two weeks...we have
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jan 2021

to stay the course.

servermsh

(913 posts)
18. Impeachment is the only thing that could make him ineligible to be President again
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:09 PM
Jan 2021

So I support the impeachment process, even after January 20th.

sfstaxprep

(9,999 posts)
23. WRONG!
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jan 2021

Conviction is the only thing that would make him ineligible.

There is NO scenario where 2/3rds of the Senate would vote to convict.

dware

(12,725 posts)
36. Even a conviction and removal by the Senate will not bar him from
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:53 PM
Jan 2021

holding office again, there would have to be a second vote by the Senate to bar him from ever holding office again.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
38. If that is the case he would already be ineligible...he was impeached...but not convicted and
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:16 PM
Jan 2021

he would not be convicted this time either.

dware

(12,725 posts)
43. ...
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jan 2021
Impeachment is the only thing that could make him ineligible to be President again


100% false information.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
40. NO and NO. Nothing should ever be done without considering the political ramifications.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jan 2021

We need to win elections. We have a very tough one coming up in 2022.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
46. My favorite thing for the history books is...Biden has a great presidency, we win 2022 and
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jan 2021

2024 (unprecedented) and Trump dies of natural causes (big macs). He will be gone and impeachment would be foolish.

OLDMDDEM

(1,594 posts)
34. It won't work
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jan 2021

If there is a trial by jury, how many cult members would be picked on a jury? He won't go to jail, but he sure may end up with nothing once New York gets done with him. I can see the state (and city) putting liens on his properties and leaving him with little or nothing.

jalan48

(13,984 posts)
41. In the middle of a pandemic-bad optics for Democrats plus there is too little time. A motion
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jan 2021

of censure makes more sense.

Sogo

(5,080 posts)
52. The simple fact is that the House members took an oath to defend the Constitution.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jan 2021

That obliges them to take action against blatant law breaking by the President.

The fact that the Rs in the Senate won't do the right thing should not preclude the House from doing the right thing.

They must stand on principle for the future of our form of government.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
56. Impeach him. Let him know he is the only president to be impeached twice.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:02 PM
Jan 2021

He will have to live and die with that.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,527 posts)
57. He's on the way out of the door anyway
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 03:05 PM
Jan 2021

I think, symbolically, it would be the right thing to do but doubt that it should take up valuable time to address other things.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
60. You're not wrong
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jan 2021

Though it sickens me because impeachment is supposed to be the remedy for all this law breaking.

You're right that impeachment is not worth it considering we are in January.

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