My MAGA sister is losing her shit again.

[Miles Archer]

I've posted some of her stuff here in the past, but today's salvo was so far into the "Republican Talking Points" terrain that I don't want to push the DU rule on not posting that crap.

SUFFICE IT TO SAY that she's OK with whatever happens in DC on Wednesday because she's had enough, and if there's violence, so be it.

Invariably, folks on DU ask me if I've tried to reason with her on any of this. Do any of you cook? Do you make things in a 450 degree oven, and you open the oven to see how it's going and you get a blast of 450 degree heat in your face? That's my sis. She's in her mid-70s, and has a life-sized cardboard cutout of Trump in her home, along with MAGA bumper stickers everywhere.

Kills me, but the people who went over the deep end for Trump are beyond reason.

[Nevilledog]

1. ...

I'm so sorry.

[SoonerPride]

2. I have cut off contact with former friends and yes, family, over trump

I will not excuse their support for immorality and lawlessness.

They are dead to me.

You would be better off severing all contact.

I mean it.

[RKP5637]

7. I've done the same. It really reveals something about the nature of an individual

of one that really should be avoided. It's really become a mental health issue, delusional and a number of things.

[Calculating]

69. Shouldn't cut off family over politics

Seems like such a silly thing to ruin relationships with our family members over. I just avoid the topic with my 'Trump loving" family members.

[AmyStrange]

72. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

[Raine]

73. EXACTLY ! 👍

[SoonerPride]

76. This isn't "politics" it is morality.

Kids in cages.

I’m not ok with anyone who is ok with that.

Period.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

78. Why should an accidental sharing of DNA excuse support for fascism, cruellty, and death?

[Happy Hoosier]

85. I think that's an overly broad statement.

Politics means life and death to some people. You know this. Dreamers depend upon politics to stay in their country. Children in cages at the border are victims of politics. People being murdered by police are victims of politics.

It's not silly to any of those people.

Having said that, we have to weigh to situation individually. We NEARLY had a clean break with my wife's parents when they went all Trumpy crazy. After nearly cutting them off, they realized that they want to see their only Grandchild and they honor our NO POLITICS rule when we are all together. But My brother-in-law? Fuck 'im. He's a completely crazy OAN-watching nutbag. Same with most of the cousins. I don't see any advantage in maintaining a relationship with people who earnestly wish others harm.

[RKP5637]

3. It really becomes more of a mental problem than political. n/t

[hlthe2b]

4. I have extended family that are at least non-repented Republicans, if not Trumpsters

But thankfully, my sister is not one of them.

Sorry that your sister has "drunk the Koolaid." I'd be tempted to consult with a cult deprogrammer if there is anything salvageable in your relationship.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Reminds me a bit of my great-aunt, who was completely outraged

by Nixon's near-impeachment and resignation. To her dying day in the late '70s she kept a kind of shrine to him in her living room. There was no reasoning with her.

[RKP5637]

16. I had a brother-in-law like that, even in the worst days of Nixon, Nixon was still a saint to him

and the best president ever. There was no discussing it with him, he threw into a rage if one did not agree with him or tried to discuss the situation. My sister eventually divorced him for a number of reasons.

[Miles Archer]

29. My brother-in-law is full-blown MAGAt as well

Shortly after Trump was elected, I mentioned to him that Republicans were very interested in knee-capping Social Security. He gets SS as well as a fat pension from the San Francisco Airport...he'd lose money if he lost SS but the pension and "Rolls Royce" medical benefits he gets from the airport dwarf anything he gets from SS. His response is "If it doesn't affect me, I don't care." And that's his attitude about everything in life. I cut off communications with him about 2 years ago after he pulled a little backstabbing stunt that was the proverbial straw breaking the camel's back.

[lunatica]

40. He's brutally honest, but at least you know the truth about him

I haven’t talked to my sister in 15 years. She’s probably a MAGAT. She was a born again Christian then and after we had a disagreement about gay people she wrote me a three page letter telling me in great detail how god will punish me. GREAT detail! She obviously got a great deal of pleasure imagining me in hell for eternity.

[aggiesal]

61. From John Fuglesang ...

"Jesus was a guy who was a peaceful, radical, nonviolent revolutionary, who hung around with lepers, hookers, and criminals, who never spoke English, was not an American citizen, a man who was anti-capitalism, anti-wealth, anti-public prayer (YES HE WAS Matthew 6:5), anti-death penalty but never once remotely anti-gay, didn’t mention abortion, didn’t mention premarital sex, a man who never justified torture, who never called the poor ‘lazy’, who never asked a leper for a co-pay, who never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, who was a long haired, brown skinned (that’s in revelations), homeless, middle eastern Jew? Of course, that’s only if you believe what’s actually IN the Bible.”

[locks]

63. And his followers

led by the Apostles and Paul practiced socialism, caring for all, giving up their wealth so that no one suffered just as Jesus had told them to do.

[Hortensis]

83. I'm sorry. Losing a sister is sad, even when inevitable.

Your sister became more extreme, and someday she might become a lot less depending on influences. Something to hope for.

My only sibling, a half sister, and I weren't raised together and were never close, but being estranged is a loss even from her. She's mean as a snake but very charming, a lethal combination, and given to a broad spectrum of religious and other excesses. Unlike your sister, she tried out lesbianism (while raising four teenagers) before being reborn into a fundamentalist sect. She's capable of good sense and decency, but always erratically interspersed with ___!, and I can't guess where she is politically these days, only that, no matter what, our thoughts would turn out to be on nonintersecting lines.

Thinking your chances with your sister might be better.

[RKP5637]

41. Really, there is just no dealing with people like this. We try, but it's just futile. n/t

[cherish44]

6. Trumpism is a cult

And it's going to destroy hopefully the GOP only and not the country.

[certainot]

48. it's going to croak with limbaugh

[No Vested Interest]

53. I pray you're correct...

Son listens to him & such while driving a van to his various stops in his work.
This has poisoned his mind.
I compare it to the addiction to pornography.

[certainot]

77. dang. ask how he can trust a guy dying of lung cancer who told millions for years smoking doesn't

cause cancer......

sex on the wrong brain gives them an irrational authoritarian craving for certitude - https://www.sexonthewrongbrain.com/see-SOWB-theory-and-science/

send him the book...

[Warpy]

54. It's going to be mortally injured

but they'll all stagger around like the zombies they are, looking for another master propagandist to lead them.

[LakeArenal]

8. We just get along with our close Republicans.

They like to throw bait....

Today: AOC got vaccinated. Why? She is not essential or in health danger.

We let it slide. Good for her I said.

I can’t change them. Time might. We will see.

[SheltieLover]

9. So sorry to hear this, Miles

Guessing you've asked or demanded she not talk politics, right?

I've tried that with a few former friends to no avail.

[Miles Archer]

14. I stay off of her Facebook page, she stays off of mine, except...

,,,every once in a while...like today...she sees something on my page and can't resist putting her two cents' worth in . The post that triggered her was one where I mentioned Trump pimping his Wednesday "rally" in a tweet where he said "Be there, and be wild!" That's what caused her to say that she's had enough, no one's gonna steal the election, and if people get hurt, so be it.

[SheltieLover]

18. Weird the way they just can't leave it alone, isn't it?

So sorry you experienced this.

[Miles Archer]

31. I posted something the other day about how I'll miss his tiny little jazz hands...

,,,and how he often uses them to play what appears to be an invisible accordion. She jumped on that one too.

[lunatica]

43. LOL!

Evidently she keeps falling for it!

[certainot]

49. my suggestion: ask how so many people can believe a guy with lung cancer who told millions for years

that smoking doesn't cause cancer

they all know who limbaugh is and his part in all this

[samnsara]

19. trumpers dont respect boundaries I've found. They will throw their trumpism in your face

with no regards to your feelings. My trumper sister (whom I have ZERO contact with now and forever) with was always the first one to start political arguments with me.

Hubby sent a Merry Christmas text to an ex co worker as they were always friendly and he helped her with her Pharmacy career. She responded with an anti Governor rant cuz she cant go to bars. Hubby immediately blocked her. Theres no helping them unless is an old fashioned de programming.

[samnsara]

10. i have a friend same age..whose sister is the same way..I am actually totally estranged from

..my trumper sister. We are in that age group as well. At this point they wont change and I dont miss her at all.

Your sister sounds a little over the edge tho and may end up living with 200 cats.

[Aristus]

11. Trump worship.

Trump worship turned Mrs. Aristus from a conservative evangelical Christian and Republican into a raging, pro-Obama/Biden/Harris liberal Democrat and agnostic.

When her church rather subtly hinted that 'real' Christians vote for Trump back in 2016, and Trump earned 81% of the evangelical vote, Mrs. Aristus cut all ties to the church, everyone who attended it, and all pro-Trump family members.

That's the only upside to the last four years of horror...

[SheltieLover]

22. Good for her!

[Karadeniz]

47. You picked a winner!

[mountain grammy]

64. My husband's cousin in Texas did the same

lifelong republican, now a faithful Democrat, but still active in her church. She took a bit of flack on FB, but held her ground. Never Trump and never the republican party for supporting him! she was Biden/Harris all the way and still is. Supported Beto in 2018. One of the few honest Christians in his family. Brother and family all Trumpers.. fooled me for a long time. I thought they were Christians.

[Thekaspervote]

12. Oh ouch!! Sorry...sounds bad

[IADEMO2004]

13. Parental lock on her televisions??

Watching Fox the last years of my dad's life changed him. He voted Dem in 2012 but his opinions were going in a bad direction.

[cilla4progress]

15. We've been fortunate with our drumpfy family "wing" -

we are all able to COMPLETELY AVOID talking politics when together, or online. In fact, our family has a phone thread with, and one without, them included!

Other than one wing (hubby's sister and spawn - christofascist, wonderful person in her way and primary caregiver to 92 year old Dem mom!) - the rest on both sides are strong Democrats!

Neighbors are something different, but we've learned just to not engage.

[Biophilic]

17. I'm so sorry you have to deal with that.

The whole thing is hard enough when it doesn't hit you so personally. No words of wisdom, just know I'll take some of your frustration and pain.

[madaboutharry]

20. Do you have any thoughts on why she is like this?

What motivated her devotion to Trump?

[Miles Archer]

33. Yes, I do, She was indoctrinated by Fox News

She was home 24/7 while my brother in law worked and would often go out at night to get high and go tomcatting. Her 24/7 companion was Fox News. She even ordered sets of Bill O'Reilly tapes, things like that. So the message got through to her, and by the time Trump came along, he was saying what she wanted to hear. She's also extemely bigoted, so things like "We're gonna build a wall, and Mexico's gonna pay for it" were like catnip to her ears.

[madaboutharry]

52. I am so sorry, Miles Archer.

It must have been hard to watch from the sidelines.

In its own way it really is losing someone.

[Miles Archer]

81. I had to be very direct from day 1

It came more from my brother-in-law than my sister, the whole "WOW! We have FOUR YEARS of MAGA!" I very simply said "Look. I didn't vote for him. I don't like him, I don't respect him, and we're going to have to agree to disagree right up front and avoid the subject altogether because I'm not getting on the Trump train. If you feel that way, great. The way for me to respect how you feel is to keep it to yourself and know that there isn't an open door on my end for you to discuss him, unless you want to hear more about why I don't like him, and I'm not interested in having that conversation."

And that pretty much kept the Trump conversations down to none, for the most part, until my sister reads something on my Facebook page that triggers her, and when she replies, I never reply to her. I just let her rant, and sometimes my friends pile on her, so I send them a private message and let them know she's my sister, and every time they offer an apology and say "Sorry, I didn't know, I'll back off," to which I reply "No, don't do that, I'm just letting you know that she's my sister so you'll understand why I don't "unfriend" her or tear her a new one for posting MAGAt crap on my page."

[madaboutharry]

84. Your approach is so much better than some I have read about here.

Love of family should always outweigh politics.

[mtnsnake]

21. Fox News and Right Wing radio have done an excellent job brainwashing them

over the years.

[Miles Archer]

34. Yes...

,,,didn't see your post until after I sent the reply right above you, but that is the precise, 25 words or less description of what happened to my sister.

[OMGWTF]

91. In Sept 2016, I went on a three-week road trip through the Rust Belt and into the Deep South

and I made a study of the radio stations offered in each place and always read the local newspapers' editorials. All I found was Reicht-winged hate radio, Christofascist radio, Oldies, Country, or Mexican music (which I enjoy), conservative opeds, and Fux News on in businesses. There were huge Trump signs everywhere; I didn't see one Hillary sign until I got to NOLA. These poor fools are brainwashed by a steady diet of lies, fear, and hatemongering. They live in another world.

[lilmamba]

23. I want to hear what she said in her conversation today LOL

What rule? I’m just curious as to what she said exactly. It gives me greater insight into how the cult thinks. Sorry but this stuff fascinates me.

The Cult of Trump by Steven Hassan was a great read. I’ve been fascinated by this stuff ever since the Waco Texas incident.

[Miles Archer]

36. Here's an excerpt (yes, she posts everything in all caps)

CARRY AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, NO ONE FROM THE LEFT IS GOING TO PUSH ME AROUND. IF THE RIGHT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND, SO BE IT.

[lilmamba]

39. Good grief

Is there any question which side has more instigators? I travel over to TheDonald.win on occasion and am just blown away.

Their mental state has devolved so much in these past 5 years.

It’s frightening.

[Mariana]

24. You can't reason people out of their religious beliefs.

It sounds like your sister's devotion to Trump has crossed way over the line into being a religion. Think of the cardboard Trump as being equivalent to having a giant picture of Jesus hanging up, and the MAGA sticker are like the crosses and Jesus fish that some Christians like to display on everything.

[dawg day]

25. sorry, that life-sized cutout is too funny-awful

I agree- no use arguing with her. I would be tempted to say, "I love you, Sis. Trump doesn't. Keep that in mind."

[The Genealogist]

26. It is a lost cause to attempt to reason with these people...

because they don't want to reason. They've been conditioned to be unreasonable for the sake of being unreasonable. They call it "owning the libs." They're whipped up into a froth by a conman who is too much of a chickenshit to face the consequences for his depraved actions, and knows the only way to avoid them is to stay in office. The RW propaganda machine is working overtime on his behalf, to keep them whipped up.

[demosincebirth]

27. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I have all family (large) and friends

All democrats (runs in the blood) and are sick and tired of the orange beast.

[central scrutinizer]

28. I've pretty much ghosted my MAGAt sister

I’ve got a draft of a message calling her out but I’m not satisfied with it yet. She has only sent me about three political messages since the pandemic started. I refuted the first two but the third was so slavishly fawning and full of lies that I didn’t know where to even start. I used to send her funny non political links but no more. She still sends me occasional links to things (not political) she thinks are funny or interesting. I’ve stopped responding. I’m done with her and her even worse husband.

[KT2000]

30. Great metaphors!!

[lettucebe]

32. My son has a life-sized cut out of tRump as well. We don't talk politics.

At least not until the inauguration. It's not worth it. Anyone that thinks all mainstream media is corrupt and only far-right idiots are correct is too far gone to be reasoned with. I'm waiting. Every month things will improve.

[sanatanadharma]

35. Hilary used the word deplorable

The maga world is 3D; three or even more descriptions apply
Deplorable
Delusional
Dangerous
Demented
Dumb, dunce, dull, dope

[Dream Girl]

46. Despicable,disgraceful, disgusting...

[gratuitous]

37. Try this

When she pops up with some looney tunes nonsense (call it X), reply: "Okay, Sis, I've put up with your fight against reality for too long. You say X is going to happen. I'll bet you ten bucks it doesn't happen before Inauguration Day (or some other date certain). Whaddya say? Want to put your money where your mouth is, or name some other day when you think X is going to happen? Let's hear it."

[Butterflylady]

38. So I take it that if violence occurs

She is ok with blood on her hands too.

[Miles Archer]

45. Her whole rant was about putting up with it for four years, now it's time for payback

I have another friend who does the same thing. Any time there's a speck of violence from the right it goes straight into "what about-isms" with ANTIFA, etc.

[lagomorph777]

42. I'll bet she has a Trump dildo too - but...

it's so small it's probably lost by now...

[UCmeNdc]

44. The GOP Trumpism followers are looking for blood.

Sad day for the USA.

[Goblue50]

50. Sad

You can pick you friends but not your family. If they were not your family, would they be your friend. Probably not in many cases....

[Corgigal]

51. Just be happy.

Put on some good tunes, and dance. You won’t dance if you’re angry, and for some reason it drives old republicans crazy. It’s why I love our young voters, dance away kids.

[StarryNite]

55. A life-size standee of tRump? LOL

Does she have paper clothes to dress him up in like a giant paper doll?
Seriously it is a cult worship of that orange clown. And with as amusing as some of the antics of his cult worshipers can be, in reality it's creepy. What would she do if he asked his cult followers to sell their homes, drink the orange Kool-Aid and meet him in the "promised land"? I actually think there would be those who would do it.

[shanti]

75. Think of the possibilities though!

I attended a street fair in a very red area of SoCal in 2018. There was a cutout of Chump by one booth, and I was so tempted to flip the bird and take my pic in front of it. My son talked me out of it.

[Miles Archer]

80. Not kidding, she has one

It's one of those fake smile with a thumbs-up poses and ir'a life-sized.

She also posts ALL of the paintings of Trump, the most recent one showing him portrayed in a Revolutionary War uniform with the words "January 6th will be our new 4th of July."

Not kidding about that one either. It's on her Facebook page.

[speaknow]

56. I don't know if you'll read this but

Ask your sister this one question.
Did Trump ever thank the people that
voted for him?

[paleotn]

57. Sadly, we've lost a generation. Maybe two.

Other than mass deprogramming, we simply have to dilute their votes and wait for them to die off. Luckily, many are in a demographic where age expectancy is in sharp decline.

[BigmanPigman]

58. Don't waste your time on a lost cause.

You can't turn these fanatics around so don't even consider trying if you value your own sanity and mental stability. They are a waste of my time and energy and NOT WORTH IT!

[OldkySoul]

59. As bad as that is

it could be worse..like having a brother who is a QANON believer and a Trump supporter rolled into one. We went to the same schools, have the same parents, and only 2 years apart in age. Last time I called and talked to him we argued back and forth about the election,and trump, and as much as I hate to say it we actually argued about whether the earth was actually round or flat. I ended my conversation around that point almost in tears. He's my only brother and we ain't gettin any younger. So yeah I feel ya.

[Richard58]

74. Same here.

My brother has always been conservative and I knew he voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but I had no idea how much of a Trump supporter he was! Last month we had a long discussion (argument) over the phone about "voter fraud" and it was then I found out he was also a Q believer! He has totally drunk the Koolaid. He ranted about how the election was rigged by the Democrats with the help of the Chinese, North Koreans, Venezuela, the Deep State, George Soros, Antifa, BLM, the mainstream media, the Illuminati and God knows who else! It was a huge mishmash of conspiracy theories. I told him he was talking crazy but that just set him off. There was "PROOF" of everything he espoused he said and he directed me to lunatic conspiracy sites. I tried to reason with him using logic and common sense but he was too far down the rabbit hole. He seriously believes that Trump won in a landslide and that there is a global conspiracy to take him down because he was fighting against "world-wide socialism". In the end we agreed not talk politics anymore.
Don't get me wrong, my brother is a nice guy but he has zero critical thinking skills, is really gullible and not the brightest bulb in the bunch. In other words, he is the perfect Republican voter. I makes me feel sad and frustrated that he has done down that path.

[Bettie]

82. My brothers are both lost to the MAGA cult

and the older of the two (I'm the oldest) is all about the "Deep State".

I just don't engage at all.

They have my number in case there is an emergency, but I'm done.

[tiredtoo]

60. Have a maga sister also

She lives in Florida and is an Evangelical Christian. Believes God put 45 in the Whitehouse to save us all. Last week she was raging on gays. Said God gave men a penis for a reason. I replied hmm, and all these years I thought God gave men a penis so they could write their name in the snow. That brought silence from her.

[judesedit]

62. Does she know Dumpy admitted to election loss on his phone call to GA SoS?

It really is a shame. These people are brainwashed. Our educational system has let the country down. These dummies are literally like lemmings. The "educated" ones are just greedy, bigotted, elitists who claim to be Christians and they are lightyears from it. Thank God DeVos is bye bye. What stage is limpballs in? He won't be missed either.

[Pepsidog]

65. Have Somme just like that. I stay away from them.

[Evolve Dammit]

66. 45 has been extremely successful at dividing us. He read Hitler, listens to Putin, he's not stupid.

He is a dictator wanna-be and is more than halfway there. I've lost relatives as well. There is no mutuality ("common ground&quot . They are racist, white and self-righteously indignant due to decades of propaganda via RW hate radio (Limbaugh, Levin, Jones, PENCE (filling in for Ingrahm), Savage, etc., Fox, and now dozens of alt-(ie. fake news) outlets. Goebells would be so proud of their efforts.

[Evolve Dammit]

67. Sorry for the "wink" emoji. Not sure how that happened :

[Miles Archer]

79. It happens when you type ")

I've had it happen as well. What you need to do is put a space between the " and the ) and "poof," no wink. Don't know why it happens either but that's my work-around.

[FakeNoose]

68. Ask your sister if she's packing up and moving to Scotland

Maybe that will cause her to think things over.

[BobTheSubgenius]

70. I hope she isn't losing her shit that badly.

I doubt she has that much shit to lose any more.

[mcar]

71. I have 2 R brothers

One a full on MAGAt, the other a full on Repiblican cuz taxes and I'll ignore everything else.

We don't talk all that much and never talk politics.

I'm sorry for what you are experiencing.

[LiberalFighter]

86. That is a difficult situaiton.

What is important is not letting it beat you. And knowing you are doing the right thing.

[kirkuchiyo]

87. My mother is a full on MAGAt

I will never speak to her again willingly. My oldest is getting married in October, I have highly encouraged she not invite her.

[moose65]

88. Whew

Every day I think that we can't possibly hit bottom, and then we go lower.

It is absolutely fucking nuts. I can understand people having political differences. That has existed as long as this country has. But I have never seen such blatant worship of a candidate. These people don't just have one Trump sticker on their cars - they have 50. They don't just have 1 or 2 Trump signs in the yard - they have 25. The same people who accused us of worshipping Obama are now ready to shoot their fellow citizens in Trump's name.

I will never, ever understand Trump's "appeal." I could understand it if Trump was an eloquent speaker, or if he was a handsome charmer, or if he cloaked the craziness in folksy appeal, or could joke and laugh at himself. But none of that is true with Trump. He is stupid, amoral, big-mouthed, and butt-ugly (apologies to butts). Trump literally has no redeeming qualities. What kind of person looks at him and thinks 'Yeah, I want 4 more years of that."

His diehard supporters live in an alternate universe, though. Sometimes I will see a hateful comment on Facebook and I'll click on that person's profile, and it is so scary it seems to be a parody. Right-wing websites and news sites and conspiracy theories. It is truly frightening.

[AZ8theist]

89. A lifesize poster of Doturd????

Does she also have a lifesize poster of Hitler?

Because they're both equally vile and ugly.

[tavernier]

90. Tell her to check it's pockets daily.

I’m pretty sure she would find some good jewelry or silverware.

[Miles Archer]

92. No, it's a carboard cutout with a stand

So you can stand next to it and pretend that Trump came to visit you. It's really pretty disturbing. She used to have a picture of her standing next to it as her Facebook cover photo. She has a winter scene up there now.