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(5,523 posts)
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 06:40 AM Jan 2021

congratulations all, we won! ... now it is time to temper expectations.

Expanding the courts? Adding states? sweeping climate change legislation? Banning assault guns? Universal Basic Income? Universal Healthcare?

Forget about all of these for at least two years.

We are 50/50 in the Senate.
We have an 11 seat advantage in the house (13 if we take both open seats).
We have control by the narrowest of margins.

A single defection in the Senate on a bill stops it; this means we needed all of our purple or red state Dems every time. Manchin, Tester, Sinema, Kelly, etc. Manchin and others are a no for removing the legislative filibuster, so reconciliation is just about our only vehicle for bills, which adds limits of its own.

Same for judicial nominations; expect moderate judges, not progressive activists.

We lost a lot of seats in the House, and some returning Representatives barely made it back. We can take 6 or 7 defections, but even that cannot be taken for granted anymore. Especially since the surprise Republican gains in Nov will have all of our at risk seatholders firmly focused on re-election for the next two years.

Is this meant for gloom and doom? No, we won! It is just a reminder that there is a lot of hard work ahead and we won't be able to get everything we want. However progress can once again be made, baby steps at a time.

We need to focus on the easily obtainable, the non-controversial.

○ Modest progress on climate change by softer measures like energy efficiency subsidies and tax credits.
○ Fixing our tax code (undoing Trump's giveaway to the rich) and getting the top few percent and Wall Street paying more to help the rest of us.
○ Prescription drug pricing reform
○ proper covid response and financial assistance

It also might not be a bad idea to use two specific themes that Trump exploited; promoting and encouraging American manufacturing, and also distancing from China. Sounds crazy, but hear me out.

Modern, highly automated manufacturing is the future. Manufacturing left the US so the companies could have higher profits from cheap labor overseas. Automation is becoming cheaper and more effective, eventually (especially with potential public opinion backlash) a tipping point will be reached where it makes sense to close the sweatshops and build new automated factories. Where would it make sense to build them? Close to the markets (cheaper / faster shipping) and in a location with a high tech base to support the technology used. In other words it really will make sense to bring manufacturing 'home' to the US - especially if we encourage it. This will also have a positive impact on climate change as cutting edge manufacturing has less waste and less pollution.

Distancing from China. This one is a no brainer to me; just look at how they treat people. Hong Kong, the Uighur people, Tibet, Mongolians, exploitation of Africa. Not to mention their hacking, spying, and intellectual property theft. We should be working to eliminate our co-dependence on them, they are not a government we should want to be close to.

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congratulations all, we won! ... now it is time to temper expectations. (Original Post) Amishman Jan 2021 OP
I think we could also do marijuana legalization, or at least LuvNewcastle Jan 2021 #1
I almost included that in my list Amishman Jan 2021 #2
Hell no luv2fly Jan 2021 #3
Obama ran on a progressive platform. MasonDreams Jan 2021 #4
Way to rain on our parade. llmart Jan 2021 #5
Good rant? pwb Jan 2021 #6
You are correct even without possible defections from Dems Hav Jan 2021 #7
the FIRST pieces of legislation should be voter protection. Without it we don't win in 2022 uponit7771 Jan 2021 #8
Our strategy should be to Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #9
Now is the time to celebrate. nt mtnsnake Jan 2021 #10


(16,797 posts)
1. I think we could also do marijuana legalization, or at least
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 06:56 AM
Jan 2021

removing it from the scheduled list. There is some Republican support for doing this, so it should be done.


(5,523 posts)
2. I almost included that in my list
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 06:58 AM
Jan 2021

Would get some kicking and screaming from a few corners, so it would be controversial. It is popular though, I think the last poll I saw had support at 70% overall, including a majority of Republicans


(2,474 posts)
3. Hell no
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 07:08 AM
Jan 2021

Reach for the skies and expect nothing less. We may not always get there, but temper expectations? Hell no.


(756 posts)
4. Obama ran on a progressive platform.
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 07:57 AM
Jan 2021

Without some progress the party will split. Surprise repuke's gains happen when we don't take care of the voters. Police murders need appropriate response. Remove these killers from society.
The Roman emperor Virgil said it best "Fortune Assists the Bold" (there are differently worded translations from Latin)
Your right about China. We abolished slavery and we shouldn't feed it and profit from it overseas. We could make some of the things we buy from China here.


(15,352 posts)
5. Way to rain on our parade.
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 08:12 AM
Jan 2021

In life as today, I will never temper my expectations. Reaching for the sky put a man on the moon in 1969. Always set the bar higher than you think you can go. That goes for the Democratic party.


(11,130 posts)
6. Good rant?
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 08:18 AM
Jan 2021

I don't see it that way. What would pukes do if they were us right now? They would go all out and so should we. They deserve some push back IMO. Fuck them and all their ideas.


(5,969 posts)
7. You are correct even without possible defections from Dems
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 09:16 AM
Jan 2021

Has everybody forgotten about the abuse of the filibuster when Dems were closer to 60 seats during Obama's presidency?


(13,453 posts)
9. Our strategy should be to
Wed Jan 6, 2021, 09:26 AM
Jan 2021

start negotiations with what we want and go from there. I don’t expect super progressive legislation to get passed, to be clear.

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