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Do you think Trump would go so far as pardon the people who murdered the Capitol Hill Cop? (Original Post) Botany Jan 2021 OP
Only if they paid big bucks Sanity Claws Jan 2021 #1
Apparently Turbineguy Jan 2021 #2
Yes. tavernier Jan 2021 #3
If he thought there was something in it for him, no question. Squinch Jan 2021 #4
No DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #5
The Barrier ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #6
Didn't carter pardon all the Vietnam draft dodgers? Nt USALiberal Jan 2021 #11
Yup. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #14
Carter's amnesty specifically excluded certain classes of offender, though greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #19
That's what I think too captain queeg Jan 2021 #12
He could very easily pardon anyone accused under the specific misdemeanor sections greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #20
So Challengeable ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #25
He would for money JI7 Jan 2021 #7
There are no limits to his depravity, so at the right price he probably would...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #8
I think he'd do it gratis Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #9
Law, morality, decency mean nothing to him. dalton99a Jan 2021 #10
He would, except it wouldn't help his Impeachment defense. no_hypocrisy Jan 2021 #13
I think he's more likely to throw them to the wolves, since they failed in their mission, but 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #15
It's the ultimate in not paying your contractors greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #18
And now I think of it, he's got to know that some of his "contractors" are calling 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #21
Signed by noon and returned with AF1.ntp AnnaLee Jan 2021 #16
Remember the blanket amnesty for draft evaders from Carter? greenjar_01 Jan 2021 #17
Didn't the popes used to sell "indulgences"? milestogo Jan 2021 #22
Of course he would. dewsgirl Jan 2021 #23
The news dump on Tuesday at midnight may be VERRRRRY INTERESTING, to quote bullwinkle428 Jan 2021 #24
Coin flip Cosmocat Jan 2021 #26

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
1. Only if they paid big bucks
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jan 2021

He does nothing unless he gets paid.
Fox and News Max would change to fit whatever new narrative they have to come up with. They don't fear being inconsistent.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
5. No
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jan 2021

If we've learned anything about Trump over these last 4-5 years, it's not only is he consumed by his own ego, but he uses people for that ego gratification purpose, too. These rioters entertained Trump for an afternoon, they are of no use to him now making them irrelevent.

ProfessorGAC

(65,061 posts)
6. The Barrier
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jan 2021

They don't announce or arrest until Thursday.
While the pardon power is broad, I doubt even this SCOTUS would rule against a challenge to a mass pardon of people not even named.
If they haven't been publicity identified & charged, there's nobody to pardon.
Also, a pardon has to be accepted, which is essentially an admission of guilt.
For minor offenses, how many of these "patriots" are willing to admit they did something wrong?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
19. Carter's amnesty specifically excluded certain classes of offender, though
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jan 2021

It was a conditional amnesty. The same could be worked here, if Trump so chose: pardon all the misdemeanors, or pardon all the "disorderly conduct" charges for disruption. That would preserve the assault charges and the eventual murder charge when they figure out which particular cretin killed Officer Sicknick.

captain queeg

(10,207 posts)
12. That's what I think too
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:45 AM
Jan 2021

Don’t see how you could pardon an ill defined group and he wouldn’t make the effort to learn their names. That said he might chose a couple stars like that shaman guy and pardon those.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
20. He could very easily pardon anyone accused under the specific misdemeanor sections
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jan 2021

Unauthorized presence in the building and disorderly conduct/disruption of a proceeding. That would basically pardon many of the people charged currently, and clear anyone who was "just in the building" while preserving the more serious charges (the felonies, assaults, murder). It would also add an burden for the FBI, who would have to be able to show violence in order to look more closely at a potential charge. Right now, they can technically gaffle up anyone who can be shown to have been in the building.

It's certainly conceivable that he would take this route. To do it before the impeachment trial would produce serious risk for him, as the public outcry might give some fence-sitters the cover to convict. Trump will always put himself first, so it's unlikely in my view.

ProfessorGAC

(65,061 posts)
25. So Challengeable
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:26 PM
Jan 2021

Pardons for people unknown? That seems the perfect situation to challenge the limits of pardon power.
They are not identified, they haven't been charged with anything, but they're pardoned?
Yes, he may try it, but I can see that action resulting in a SCOTUS challenge.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,007 posts)
15. I think he's more likely to throw them to the wolves, since they failed in their mission, but
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jan 2021

If whoever is left of his advisors pressures him hard enough not to, he'd do it just to prove he still had the power. So 50/50 chance in my mind.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,007 posts)
21. And now I think of it, he's got to know that some of his "contractors" are calling
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jan 2021

For his head now that it appears he's capitulated, so all bets are really off!

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
17. Remember the blanket amnesty for draft evaders from Carter?
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

It was conditional, and did not include certain classes of desertion or other crimes.

If Trump issues a pardon for Capitol insurrectionists, it will likely be restricted to the misdemeanors, or the specific charges for being in the Capitol and disorderly conduct, but exclude felonies, etc. I don't think Trump can pardon the assaults on officers without grave cost to himself, which of course is the only thing he cannot abide. Of course, it's also quite possible that the FBI and DOJ are holding off on those specific charges so they can be charged after Trump leaves office.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
24. The news dump on Tuesday at midnight may be VERRRRRY INTERESTING, to quote
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 11:38 AM
Jan 2021

a "Laugh-In" character portrayed by the late Arte Johnson!

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
26. Coin flip
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 02:29 PM
Jan 2021

he absolutely is brazen enough and whatever pardons he issues going out the door are going to be mind numbing, so he could do that broad pardon of them going that they talked about on Lawrence O'Donnell.

But, he has absolute contempt for the 10s of millions of red hat wearing fans of his in this country, and I can definitely see that he would let them rot, too.

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