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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think Trump would go so far as pardon the people who murdered the Capitol Hill Cop?
And if he did it would Fox and News Max talk about ANTIFA and BLM?
Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)He does nothing unless he gets paid.
Fox and News Max would change to fit whatever new narrative they have to come up with. They don't fear being inconsistent.
Turbineguy
(37,341 posts)if they have $2 million each to give him, yes.
tavernier
(12,392 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)If we've learned anything about Trump over these last 4-5 years, it's not only is he consumed by his own ego, but he uses people for that ego gratification purpose, too. These rioters entertained Trump for an afternoon, they are of no use to him now making them irrelevent.
ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)They don't announce or arrest until Thursday.
While the pardon power is broad, I doubt even this SCOTUS would rule against a challenge to a mass pardon of people not even named.
If they haven't been publicity identified & charged, there's nobody to pardon.
Also, a pardon has to be accepted, which is essentially an admission of guilt.
For minor offenses, how many of these "patriots" are willing to admit they did something wrong?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,007 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)It was a conditional amnesty. The same could be worked here, if Trump so chose: pardon all the misdemeanors, or pardon all the "disorderly conduct" charges for disruption. That would preserve the assault charges and the eventual murder charge when they figure out which particular cretin killed Officer Sicknick.
captain queeg
(10,207 posts)Dont see how you could pardon an ill defined group and he wouldnt make the effort to learn their names. That said he might chose a couple stars like that shaman guy and pardon those.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Unauthorized presence in the building and disorderly conduct/disruption of a proceeding. That would basically pardon many of the people charged currently, and clear anyone who was "just in the building" while preserving the more serious charges (the felonies, assaults, murder). It would also add an burden for the FBI, who would have to be able to show violence in order to look more closely at a potential charge. Right now, they can technically gaffle up anyone who can be shown to have been in the building.
It's certainly conceivable that he would take this route. To do it before the impeachment trial would produce serious risk for him, as the public outcry might give some fence-sitters the cover to convict. Trump will always put himself first, so it's unlikely in my view.
ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)Pardons for people unknown? That seems the perfect situation to challenge the limits of pardon power.
They are not identified, they haven't been charged with anything, but they're pardoned?
Yes, he may try it, but I can see that action resulting in a SCOTUS challenge.
JI7
(89,251 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,663 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,941 posts)as long as it pwned teh libz.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,119 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,007 posts)If whoever is left of his advisors pressures him hard enough not to, he'd do it just to prove he still had the power. So 50/50 chance in my mind.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,007 posts)For his head now that it appears he's capitulated, so all bets are really off!
AnnaLee
(1,040 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)It was conditional, and did not include certain classes of desertion or other crimes.
If Trump issues a pardon for Capitol insurrectionists, it will likely be restricted to the misdemeanors, or the specific charges for being in the Capitol and disorderly conduct, but exclude felonies, etc. I don't think Trump can pardon the assaults on officers without grave cost to himself, which of course is the only thing he cannot abide. Of course, it's also quite possible that the FBI and DOJ are holding off on those specific charges so they can be charged after Trump leaves office.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)a "Laugh-In" character portrayed by the late Arte Johnson!
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)he absolutely is brazen enough and whatever pardons he issues going out the door are going to be mind numbing, so he could do that broad pardon of them going that they talked about on Lawrence O'Donnell.
But, he has absolute contempt for the 10s of millions of red hat wearing fans of his in this country, and I can definitely see that he would let them rot, too.