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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 03:01 PM Jan 2021

"Kyrsten ... is not open to changing her mind about eliminating the filibuster."

I erred in our weekend Senate story suggesting that @SenatorSinema
might be entertaining a shift on the filibuster.
Not so, says spox: "Kyrsten ... is not open to changing her mind about eliminating the filibuster."
It's not just @Sen_JoeManchin, folks!




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Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. That's fucking exasperating. Why can't they get with the program?
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jan 2021

Does she think she could’ve gotten elected without the Democratic Party backing her up? Never should’ve eliminated earmarks. There’s got to be something we can offer her.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
6. yes on the earmarks.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:22 PM
Jan 2021

I was thinking the exact same thing. This was a tool party leaders had to arrive at compromises. After that got removed and the fillibuster downgraded to a simple procedural one (where you dont have to actually fillibuster on the floor of the senate) all efforts at partisanship became destined to failure.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
7. John McCain crusaded for that earmark elimination
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:25 PM
Jan 2021

Used to be called pork barrel. Pet projects for the home district. Then they shortened it to pork and used it to refer to anything in the bill they didn’t like. The degradation of our language is a GOP tactic.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,492 posts)
2. I'm guessing it's because when the GOP gets back in power, we'll regret it terribly.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 03:10 PM
Jan 2021

And don’t think they won’t. They were “dead” a bunch of times before this and they came back stronger and worse than ever.

We don’t have the numbers to make the move worthwhile. We just don’t. It would be absurd to nuke the filibuster and still be unable to get anything passed. We’d look like fools.

What what needs to be done is end this non-filibuster thing. Make them get up and speak for hours on end to try to stop a bill.

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
4. What has the fillibuster done for Democrats when the Pubs are in charge?
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 03:23 PM
Jan 2021

It seems that the Repugs got everything they wanted no problem. The Tax cut sham, endless judges confirmed, a cabinet of horrors, etc etc. And they would have gutted the ACA if not for McCain's thumb.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,492 posts)
5. Well.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 03:45 PM
Jan 2021

The tax cut was done under reconciliation and the filibuster was eliminated for federal judges under Obama. They went and nuked it for Supreme Court justices.

They get things they want because they hang together. They generally vote as a block. We don’t have that. We have conservatives, moderates and liberals in the party. Our own people make everything hard for us. We had 60 in 2009 for a brief time and we’re still barely able to do anything. That was the time to eliminate the filibuster. We had the numbers to offset the Liebermans and Nelsons. We don’t have that now.

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
9. Been wondering that myself.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:26 PM
Jan 2021

By the time we get things figured out, the midterms will be here and then, you know.

Let’s give the pukes the what’s for. The leadership may be surprised to discover how popular the policies would be.

Who knows? We may achieve critical mass, if not unity.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
11. I agree, we'll regret we didn't do it earlier seeing there's no reason Moscow Mitch or the person
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jan 2021

... following him wont do it and ransack all kinds of voter suppression measures on the federal level.

This is crazy to think republicans still care about the republic after Jan 6th and all what happened last year

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
14. What's to stop Republicans from eliminating it when they
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jan 2021

get in power anyway, because we were too weak to do it?

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
8. Time for all those in Arizona to call and write to help her change her mind.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:50 PM
Jan 2021

Find her financial backers, get on them to change her mind.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
10. Like Mark Kelly, Kysten Sinema's
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:32 PM
Jan 2021

campaign commercials said she was running to represent Arizona. Not red, not blue but Arizona. That was back then when Arizona was more red than purple and certainly not blue. Maybe she is trying to keep her word that was made back then when she first won her seat. Maybe the fact that AZ is blue and we have Joe as President Biden is still sinking in.

RussBLib

(9,020 posts)
12. surely there must be some procedural trick that Schumer could use
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jan 2021

gotta get out of this chokehold McConnell has been able to put on the Dems

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