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servermsh

(1,285 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:13 PM Jan 2021

Manchin apparently says he doesn't support nuclear option on organizing resolution

If this is actually true, then we have lost. The only option will be to agree to Mitch's demands that Democrats rule out the legislative filibuster for two years.




Dems have a mini-nuclear option at hand: They could end the filibuster on organizing resolutions (not the legislative filibuster) now.

@bindersab
says this would end McConnell's blockade.

But @Sen_JoeManchin tells me he will not agree to that either:


Here's my exchange with Sen. Manchin. He says he won't support ending the filibuster even on organizing resolutions.

I asked him about the fact that McConnell isn't letting Dems take over the majority. His answer is Schumer/McConnell have to work it out:
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Manchin apparently says he doesn't support nuclear option on organizing resolution (Original Post) servermsh Jan 2021 OP
Should President Biden talk with Manchin? Maybe he could persuade him to support the mini-nuclear KewlKat Jan 2021 #1
I agree Biden needs to have a meeting Bev54 Jan 2021 #13
Separation of powers jimfields33 Jan 2021 #26
Do you think LBJ never talked to a Senator about a vote? n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #27
Manchin's been angling to be the most powerful person in the senate. Iggo Jan 2021 #2
He's not gonna be too powerful if Mitch holds everything up Walleye Jan 2021 #5
If we're one vote short, and he's that vote, then yeah he is powerful. Iggo Jan 2021 #7
He would be far more powerful without the filibuster. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #11
Exactly Walleye Jan 2021 #25
But if we need 60 votes for everything, one vote won't help us on our side Walleye Jan 2021 #24
Without his one vote for this, we still need the 60. Iggo Jan 2021 #28
Just seems like it's against his own self-interest Walleye Jan 2021 #29
Bastard. Why? Doesn't he want good govt? I wonder if WV TV would like a snippet on all the good Karadeniz Jan 2021 #3
Somebody pay off this dude. Laelth Jan 2021 #4
So. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #6
But @Sen_JoeManchin tells me he will not agree to that either: Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #9
That is a link to his twitter account. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #17
I am so fkg sick of that goddamn assshole Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #8
talk to mukowski about switching partys rdking647 Jan 2021 #10
Or at least go Independent and caucus with the Dems. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2021 #15
So, thanks to Manchin... regnaD kciN Jan 2021 #12
So this is your SECOND OP bashing Democrats, the first Claire McCaskill: George II Jan 2021 #14
George, we really need operational senate control MillenialDemLXXXIII Jan 2021 #16
What did he just do? sheshe2 Jan 2021 #18
Correct, but bashing our Democratic Senators here is not going to get it done. Five days in.... George II Jan 2021 #19
this is washington... lots happening behind the scenes. we'll get an agreement sooner or later Takket Jan 2021 #20
You are correct. It really bothers me that some don't give our Senators credit for getting... George II Jan 2021 #21
Sounds like Manchin BGBD Jan 2021 #22
But weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed him. Stop picking on the man. Hotler Jan 2021 #23

KewlKat

(5,643 posts)
1. Should President Biden talk with Manchin? Maybe he could persuade him to support the mini-nuclear
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:15 PM
Jan 2021

option?

Bev54

(11,630 posts)
13. I agree Biden needs to have a meeting
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:46 PM
Jan 2021

with Manchin and Sinema to discuss the repercussions of not using the nuclear option right away. It is bloody time these guys get on the side of democrats. Manchin doesn't have an election coming too soon and Sinema needs to understand her state is turning from purple to blue so she better get on board.

Iggo

(48,138 posts)
2. Manchin's been angling to be the most powerful person in the senate.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:16 PM
Jan 2021

That’s been obvious since it looked like we had a chance to win both Georgia seats.

Iggo

(48,138 posts)
7. If we're one vote short, and he's that vote, then yeah he is powerful.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:31 PM
Jan 2021

He’s been licking his chops for months.

Iggo

(48,138 posts)
28. Without his one vote for this, we still need the 60.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:59 PM
Jan 2021

He’s withholding his vote to preserve that.

Karadeniz

(23,169 posts)
3. Bastard. Why? Doesn't he want good govt? I wonder if WV TV would like a snippet on all the good
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jan 2021

Things Joe wants to accomplish, but might not be able to if manchin doesn't help?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. Somebody pay off this dude.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:23 PM
Jan 2021

I won’t mind even if we have to move all of HHS to West Virginia. Just do it.

-Laelth

sheshe2

(86,374 posts)
6. So.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jan 2021
Manchin apparently says he doesn't support nuclear option on organizing resolution


Apparently? Sorry not good enough for me, he either said it or did not. Otherwise this is bashing a Democrat on hearsay.

sheshe2

(86,374 posts)
17. That is a link to his twitter account.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:52 PM
Jan 2021

Scrolled down a bit and see nothing that you are referring to. I want the exact link where you say he said what you said he did.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,728 posts)
15. Or at least go Independent and caucus with the Dems.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jan 2021

Geez. When we're in the minority, we're in the minority. When we're in the majority, we're still in the minority. It's enough to drive me to drink. Drink more, that is.

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. So this is your SECOND OP bashing Democrats, the first Claire McCaskill:
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jan 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15005287

And now this. What is your issue with our Democratic Senators and ex-Senators? Would you prefer they be republicans?
 
16. George, we really need operational senate control
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:50 PM
Jan 2021

to advance President Biden's agenda and to pass laws. Also what Manchin just did blows up any chance of Biden getting Supreme Court nominees and other federal judicial nominees through plus FCC, NLRB, even controversial cabinet nominees through.

sheshe2

(86,374 posts)
18. What did he just do?
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jan 2021
MillenialDemLXXXIII

16. George, we really need operational senate control
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to advance President Biden's agenda and to pass laws. Also what Manchin just did blows up any chance of Biden getting Supreme Court nominees and other federal judicial nominees through plus FCC, NLRB, even controversial cabinet nominees through.




The OP gave me a link to prove his point that Manchin said those words. It was his twitter account and nothing about his refusing to vote. Where is the link you all are referring to?

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Correct, but bashing our Democratic Senators here is not going to get it done. Five days in....
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:58 PM
Jan 2021

...and I'm not ready to give up on PRESIDENT Biden.

What we're seeing here isn't achieving "operational Senate control". I just don't understand this is happening after the last four years under trump and the republicans.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. You are correct. It really bothers me that some don't give our Senators credit for getting...
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:11 PM
Jan 2021

...to the positions in which they are. Some seem to know more about what's going on in the House and Senate than those who have been elected and have been serving for a long time.

It's very disappointing that some don't have more confidence in our duly elected officials.

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