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Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:40 AM

Vote-by-mail spurred controversy, fraud charges and maybe the Capitol riot -- now it may become

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Congressional Democrats plan to use their new-found majorities to permanently expand vote-by mail after an election that saw both record turnout and former President Donald Trumpís failed attempts to block New Jersey and other states from making it easier in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. The bill would let anyone could vote by mail for any reason and receive postage-paid envelopes for requesting and returning ballots. States would have to set up secure drop boxes for completed ballots. Any ballots postmarked by Election Day but received up to 10 days later would count, and voters whos...

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Reply Vote-by-mail spurred controversy, fraud charges and maybe the Capitol riot -- now it may become (Original post)
Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 OP
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #1
soldierant Jan 2021 #69
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #72
soldierant Feb 2021 #73
Hortensis Jan 2021 #2
thinkingagain Jan 2021 #3
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #5
msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #4
gab13by13 Jan 2021 #6
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #7
msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #9
KayF Jan 2021 #45
msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #65
Voltaire2 Feb 2021 #75
Ruby Zee Jan 2021 #8
rickyhall Jan 2021 #10
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #23
The Mouth Jan 2021 #37
gab13by13 Jan 2021 #40
justgamma Jan 2021 #49
reACTIONary Jan 2021 #70
iluvtennis Jan 2021 #11
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #12
BarbD Jan 2021 #13
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #15
ancianita Jan 2021 #14
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #18
ancianita Jan 2021 #22
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #25
ancianita Jan 2021 #28
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #74
ancianita Feb 2021 #78
PatrickforO Jan 2021 #16
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #19
PatrickforO Jan 2021 #24
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #26
CrispyQ Jan 2021 #58
Sancho Jan 2021 #17
Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #20
Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #39
Oldem Jan 2021 #42
CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #21
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #30
BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 #41
colorado_ufo Jan 2021 #27
yellowdogintexas Jan 2021 #29
Goodheart Jan 2021 #31
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #36
Goodheart Jan 2021 #48
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #55
AmyStrange Jan 2021 #64
Amaryllis Jan 2021 #32
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zaj Jan 2021 #34
Jersey Devil Jan 2021 #35
BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 #46
Jersey Devil Jan 2021 #50
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Merlot Jan 2021 #38
uponit7771 Jan 2021 #60
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AncientOfDays Jan 2021 #51
MurrayDelph Jan 2021 #54
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sarge43 Jan 2021 #56
Politicub Jan 2021 #57
hibbing Jan 2021 #59
Nitram Jan 2021 #61
judesedit Jan 2021 #62
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Nululu Jan 2021 #66
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Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2021 #77
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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:42 AM

1. THIS BILL IS ***THE MOST IMPORTANT BILL !!!*** Cause if we can not vote we can not win !!!

Look, if 95% of America wants something like common sense gun laws the kGOP doesn't give a damn and vote against it.

If we can't vote then we can't make our reps do what we want no matter ... WHAT ... the issue is.

Voting is more important than gay rights, black lives mattering, women's rights, the economy, the environment etc etc cause again, If you can't vote your issue doesn't matter to those in the kGOP !!!

I looks like dems are going all out on this bill calling a number one bill ... I will do everything I can donate, call, phone bank, write, march etc etc .



I literally just posted this op response on voter laws (link) before I saw this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15033128

saying dems need to error on going to far on protecting voter rights if we want continue winning seeing voter suppression efforts have worked so well.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 09:38 PM

69. It is indeed very important, but

it may be at least equally important to rebuild the USPS - and remove some legislation Republicans passed specifically to shackle it - because if we don't have a functioning postal service, vote by mail becomes untenable.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:58 PM

72. If we can't vote there is no USPSi, ts more than VBM

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #72)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:19 AM

73. Each depends on the other.

neither can be fixed without also fixing the other.

Yeah, as a mobility challenged person I am well aware how much the USPS does.

And I'm also aware of how long it has been in jeopardy ... and how deep.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:46 AM

2. Good! We would have passed one before had the electorate given us the power. nt

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:47 AM

3. That's awesome if they can make it

Across all the states.

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Response to thinkingagain (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 AM

5. +1, The state I am in doesn't have no excuse mail in voting or early voting. This would change ...

... EVERYTHING imho because we were able to get loved ones to vote in the last election that would have had a hard time voting due to various reason even in MO.

This is worth fighting and giving it all for,

I FIRMLY believe the reason the polling the US has been so off so long tilted towards one party is because of voter suppression measures not being weighted correctly in polling.

We'll see, the kGOP will put all their weight behind fighting every inch of vote by mail ... they know that means its the end of them going forward if more dems are allowed to vote.

The details of the bill are gob smacking ... you thought the crazies came out on 1/6 watch them now

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:48 AM

4. Raw Story Headline is a bit misleading. Vote by Mail did NOT spur controversy, it was DT and the GOP

that "spurred" controversy with voting by mail.

Words have meaning. and Context is everything.

I know Raw Story isn't alone in misleading Headlines. News outlets and other publications need to be accountable for it.

Free Speech shouldn't cover Deception and Misinformation.

Just my 2 cents.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

6. I will add my 2 cents to yours,

that makes 4 cents. I was pissed at the headline too.

We won because of mail in voting. I am from Pa. and I just got my notice from my county registration office asking if I want to vote by mail again this year, meanwhile the Pa. legislature is trying to ban no excuse mail in voting.

I have been voting in Pa. on a machine with no paper trail for decades and I jumped at the chance to vote by mail, it is much harder to cheat using paper ballots.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:26 AM

7. +1, I can get 2 - 3 extra family members to vote if they can vote by mail and not have to stand in

... lines to vote.

This bill is so ... so important and it looks like democrats are going in hard to get it done

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 AM

9. Exactly, and that's the point of the effort to Ban it.

Because it's how they've been "winning" elections for the past 20 years, in addition to all the other methods of disenfranchisement with voter suppression for the past century.

Struggle onward.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:53 PM

45. i agree, atrocious headline (they copied it from the original one at NJ.com)

it makes it sound like the legislation mandates riots.

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Response to KayF (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 04:05 PM

65. What's it gonna take to hold journalism accountable?

I mean like it isn't as if this a new tactic as hooks for clicking. But what pray tell, is so difficult to articulate a summary heading for a story with accuracy? I mean if one is a writer by profession... what the hell is the problem?

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:36 AM

75. Yeah utter bs headline.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:26 AM

8. Most secure way to vote

Works great in Oregon!
Voter Verified Paper Ballots - yeah

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 AM

10. Now fire Gerry Mander and we'll be set.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:00 PM

23. Hmmmm, seems like we can make it against the law to draw lines based on political slants for every

... one and that would cause some dem seats to be more vulnerable but the number of rep seats would far out number dem seats.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:27 PM

37. Both sides ALWAYS draw the districts to advantage themselves

A joke over 200 years old: "It's 'gerrymandering' when they do it, and 'fair districts' when we do it."


The only 'fair' way would be to require the smallest, most contiguous districts mathematically possible with no exceptions.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:32 PM

40. Not all states do that.

I know that California has a non-partisan or bi-partisan commission draw up the districts. There may be other states, but not many.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:59 PM

49. Iowa,too, but

we're all Con now and they want to change it so they can gerrymander to their hearts content.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:29 PM

70. Or, get rid of districts. Have state wide elections...

... with the top x candidates getting a seat.?

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:48 AM

11. Happy to read this and crossing my fingers it gets passed. Anyone (...talking to you rethugs...)

that believes in democracy would want to allow as much of the electorate who wanted to vote to vote.

Instead of supporting democracy, the rethugs do everything to suppress it.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:49 AM

12. Direct Link to NJ.Com without Rawstory Pop Ups

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:49 AM

13. We'll have to get rid of the filibuster to get this one passed.

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Response to BarbD (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:54 AM

15. +1, if we don't get rid of it then we lose in 2022 seeing the kGOP is throwing up EVERY voter ...

... suppression effort they can to keep people from voting.

These voter suppression efforts ... WORK .. they work well and is the main reason I believe the polling in America has been so off, so long and tilted towards one political party when things get close.

The polling in GA for a runoff was unusually accurate for a runoff, imho, due to lack of suppression efforts by the SoS at the time.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:50 AM

14. It's important, but it's the postmarking that a ballot box cannot do, unless a barcode reader

can be built into the drop shute of the box.

"Secure," imo, would be drop boxes with a) alarms that go off if they are lifted, broken into, etc., and b) 24/7 camera coverage in well lit and open space that shows all lines of approach, and
c) FBI vetted transport workers pick up and deliver contents.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:56 AM

18. +1, if people thought 1/6 was crazy wait till dems start pushing VBM laws they'll literally blow up

... ballot boxes because they're crazy.

They will even implement fake ones like they did in California

I truly believe this is something to go all out on, without voting it doesn't matter if 95% of America agrees with something the kGOP will keep it from being implemented.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:59 AM

22. So true. Which is why Dems have to get legislation that criminally convicts tamperers, imo.

Can't be too careful.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:00 PM

25. +1, voter suppression should be a felony like voter fraud !!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:02 PM

28. But with much harsher penalties than the current voter fraud slap-on-the-wrist ones.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 03:06 AM

74. Put the cameras on the web -- many, many eyeballs and the public has a right to watch.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #74)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 09:58 AM

78. Live nationwide voting sounds darned democratic to me, for sure.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:55 AM

16. Like Colorado's system. That's a happy thing.

Republicans won't like it, of course. Makes things too easy for people of color.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:58 AM

19. +1, I think this fight will make 1/6 look like a picnic ... the crazies will really come out when

... they can't suppress votes any longer.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:00 PM

24. Maybe, but then when Democrats are elected everywhere, they will crawl back

under their slimy rocks.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:01 PM

26. +1,

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:32 PM

58. +1

I know states run their own elections, but it's not unreasonable to require some standardization. It's absolutely wrong that it's easier to vote in one state than another. That's like statewide voter disenfranchisement.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:56 AM

17. Mailed ballots are paper ballots - and it gets rid of the DREs...

...so I'm for 100% mail in ballots. No lines, no touch screens, and no problem.

Here in the sunshine state, a lot of issues could be resolved if we were 100% mail/drop off.

Paper ballots can be recounted.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:59 AM

20. Not passing with the filibuster intact. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:30 PM

39. No,

thatís why Manchin, Sinema, and any other Dem against nuking the filibuster should really reconsider their stance.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:36 PM

42. Probably right

But if it can't be done by Congress, more states should do it. (It wouldn't have to be made law in every state to make a huge difference.) It's probably already part of Stacey Abrams' program, for instance. If this can't be done from the top down, it must be done from the grass roots up. It will be the death of the modern repug party and force conservatives to rally around the few sane leaders they have left.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 11:59 AM

21. The Federal govt telling states how they have to run elections?

I support the goal, but we need to be really careful with this one.

Donald Trump just lost 60+ lawsuits because Federal courts ruled they (& the Federal govt) didn't have the jurisdiction/authority to tell states how to run their elections. His challenges were only legally valid to the State Supreme Court level, SCOTUS didn't get involved, & the Executive Branch (Trump) wasn't able to order states to throw out ballots because States control their own elections, not the Federal government.

Again, let's be really careful here & be aware of unintended consequences.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:07 PM

30. My understanding is the federal government can standardize for security reasons etc. If we don't ...

... error on the side of going all out and too far on eradicating voter suppression the kGOP's current voter suppression efforts will make 2022 and beyond even harder to win.

Voter suppression works, just look at the GA Runoff where the polls became more accurate than usual because VSM wasn't enacted statewide by the SoS.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:36 PM

41. There is some precedent including HAVA & "Motor Voter"

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA)

In the aftermath of the 2000 election and its many logistical issues, congress passed a bipartisan measure, the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA), in order to reform many facets of the voting process and increase voter education and turnout. Its goals include the replacement of voting machines, voter registration reform, better access to voting for the disabled and poll worker training. Congress set a date by which each goal must be completed, and provided federal funds to help with the process as long as they implement a plan and allocate a small amount of state funds to the effort. In addition, HAVA has successfully created the Election Assistance Commission in order to better facilitate federal elections.

Election Improvements

HAVA provides funds in order for states to replace outdated voting machines, create a system of provisional balloting, create a computerized voter registration system, train poll workers and change election day procedures. Provisional balloting allows a person who's name does not appear on the voter roll to cast a ballot which will be reviewed and checked later on. New election day procedures improve access for the disabled and require that a new voter who registered by mail show identification the first time that they vote.

In addition, as a result of HAVA, a new federal voter registration form was created in order to make it easier for a new voters to register. In addition, if someone fills out a provisional ballot, and it is rejected as a ballot for the current election, it will serve as a voter registration form for the next election. New voting equipment is required to give the voter a "second chance" meaning that if there is a possible mistake on the ballot, they must be notified about it before leaving the polling place.

HAVA also calls for more voter education, a "Voters Bill of Rights" to be posted in all polling places, election day registration and the ability for anyone to request an absentee ballot for any reason. Although many of the goals were set to be completed before the 2004 elections, the ultimate goals of HAVA are set to be completed before the 2006 elections.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/hava


H.R.2 - National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (a/k/a "Motor Voter Law" )

Conference report filed in House (04/28/1993)

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Requires each State to establish Federal election voter registration procedures by: (1) application made simultaneously with a driver's license application; (2) mail; and (3) application in person at a designated Federal, State, or nongovernmental office, or at the applicant's residential registration site in accordance with State law.

Declares that this Act does not apply to any State that has no voter registration requirement with respect to elections for Federal office and/or in which voters may register at the polling place at the time of a general election for Federal office.

(Sec. 5) Declares that each State motor vehicle license application (or renewal application) shall simultaneously serve as a voter registration application with respect to Federal elections, unless the applicant fails to sign the voter registration application. Sets forth provisions regarding: (1) forms and procedures; and (2) transmittal deadlines.

(Sec. 6) Requires each State to use the mail voter registration application form prescribed by the Federal Election Commission (Commission). Authorizes a State to develop its own form provided it meets the requirements of this Act.

Authorizes a State to require first-time voters to vote in person, with exceptions for overseas and handicapped or elderly persons.

Authorizes the removal of a voter application in the case of an undelivered (returned) notice of an application made by mail.

More: https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/2


How the federal government implements voter laws at the national level is that such legislation would be effective for "federal elections" and what a state does for their state/county/municipal elections is up to them (e.g., special elections, primaries, etc). Usually the key piece for this would also mean the federal government would provide funding to carry it out (vs being what is often dubbed an "unfunded mandate" ).

The 62 ridiculous lawsuits that got thrown out were mostly due to the plaintiffs yelling about "fraud" but unable to show evidence of it, so they switched it up, literally mid-case, and then started arguing that a state "wasn't following their state law/Constitution", and the state courts responding with rolled eyes while the federal courts threw it back saying that the plaintiffs needed to deal with their "problem" in their state courts.

If the federal government wasn't "allowed" to implement election law at the federal level, then the Voting Rights Act of 1965 wouldn't have come about (although the courts have chipped away at it recently by throwing out Sections 4 & 5 dealing with "pre-clearance" for a specific set of states, where the argument was that the list was "outdated" ).

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:01 PM

27. Call our awesome Colorado Secretary of State, Jena Griswold, if you want to know how to do it!

Colorado has been voting by mail for years and has it down to a science. Did you notice that no one questioned Colorado's results?

This has got to pass! Joe is doing an AWESOME job! They have turned loose the Democratic Kraken!

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM

29. In even years, Democrats receive ballot requests from the Texas Democratic Party in January

which we can return at any time during the year should we decide to use it.

Of course, only over 65, disabled and prior mail in voters receive them. Since Texans do not have party choice on our registration we have to take pot luck on voters, but we usually figure out who the Republicans are by their primary voting history and they will not get ballot applications in the future.

After TDP started doing this, our voting numbers improved. When our county commissioners voted to allow voters to go to any precinct in the county on election day to vote regardless of where they live, the percentages increased again. Having 300+ voting locations on Election Day that are equitally scattered across the county is great! There are four locations within 10 minutes from our house. It is a big help to the Election Judges too.

We still have early voting (50 locations) and our elections office had a great plan already in place for our one drop off location when folks started dropping off their absentee ballots rather than mail them.

All of the high population counties are now using this format as well as about half of the remaining counties. Harris (Houston) had 700 in person voting locations for Election Day. Voters love it because they do not have to rush to get home to vote.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:09 PM

31. Congress can enforce such measures for House and Senate elections, but the Constitution still

invests state legislatures with the power to choose voting methods for presidential elections.

Would be a silly move by state legislatures to have separate voting arrangements on election day for the presidency and for Congress, so, all in all, this would be a great leap forward.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:25 PM

36. Good news, is this enforcement I'm the constitution? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:57 PM

48. Article 1 Section 4 Clause 1 of the United States Constitution

ďThe Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but Congress may at any time make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of chusing Senators.Ē

The Seventeenth Amendment took away the power of state legislatures to choose their state Senators:

"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote." The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:20 PM

55. Nice !!!!!! This is OP WORTHY !!!!

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 03:50 PM

64. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

 

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:11 PM

32. We've had VBM in Oregon for over 20 years. Ballots due by the end of election day. They would avoid

a lot of grief, controversy and problems if they made all ballots due on election day. THere is no reason to extend the deadline if they get the ballots out soon enough. We get ours about two weeks ahead of time; sometimes sooner. Even homeless people can vote in Oregon. You can mail them back; put them in official drop boxes, or take to county elections.
I gave mine to my mail carrier and got a notice the next day that it had arrived at county elections. You can always check the status of your ballot.

What it takes is election officials who are dedicated to ensuring anyone who is eligible can vote.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:12 PM

33. I like that except the ten days after part.

It's really not that hard to get a ballot postmarked before a reasonable date that allows for counting the votes on election day. Sure, we've seen how partisan directors can slow the mail, but late votes can be counted as provisional in the event of a close one.

I don't want to wait two weeks to know who won.

On edit:
I now see the word postmarked in the OP.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:15 PM

34. Unless this gets passed through budget reconciliation...

..., which I don't think is even legally possible, it's not going to become federal law right now. There isn't one Republican in the Senate that would vote for this. They are ALL united in voter supression.

Even if they aren't all united in a violent coup where Republicans might get killed.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:17 PM

35. Can voting rights be passed with reconciliation?

I think that is the plan but can't figure out how they could do it under reconciliation.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:54 PM

46. If they are including funding provisions to carry out the law ("spending" ) it could

(e.g., if the federal government was willing to pay for return postage for example). But since reconciliation involving funds is already in play (the COVID relief bill) then they would have to wait until next year to do something like this via reconciliation.

There are only 3 "categories" of legislation that can use reconcilliation (which is a budget tool) - something that deals with "spending" and/or something that deals with "revenues" (e.g., that tax cuts for the wealthy law that was done in 2017 used reconciliation), or something that deals with the "debt (limit)" (I expect raising the debt ceiling or doing some kind of cap), and each type can only be used once in a year.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:00 PM

50. I heard they can do 2 reconciliations this year

because reconciliation was not used for last year's budget. Heard that on MSNBC and CNN.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:08 PM

52. The can do all 3 in a "year"

but they normally have to be done as one each by category. There may be a technicality about calendar year vs fiscal year and if they can finagle the COVID Relief package as a "FY21 budget reconciliation" (although appropriations bills had already been passed for FY21), then they could possibly use the spending reconciliation again later to be effective for FY22 (where FY21 ends September 30, 2021).

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:28 PM

38. Vote-by-mail did NOT "spurred controversy" trump did.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 02:20 PM

60. +1, its a slanted article no doubt ... if we thought 1/6 was crazy this is going to bring the Trump

... terrorist to the very forefront.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:41 PM

43. Great news!!!

I'm not particularly happy about the "10 day" rule, though. A return of malfeasance to the USPS isn't impossible.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:47 PM

44. I hope they actually DO IT instead of talking about it.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:54 PM

47. In addition, laws around mail ballots should be standardized for all states.

Iíve never voted by mail, so some of my suggestions may already be a part of mail ballots.

1. Print ballots with clear directions and color clues for where voters are to sign, for example, all places where a signature is required in yellow. Iíve seen this often on financial documents Iíve been sent for signature and it helps ensure that Iíve signed in all needed places.
2. If a privacy envelope is required for the vote to remain hidden, clearly mark that on the outside of the envelope with a color highlight.
3. Insert a separate short checklist for the voter, listing each step in completing the ballot; e.g., did you sign on line 33 and date your ballot.
4. Include a ďmail byĒ date on the checklist.

I have a feeling that ballots designed by Republicans are intended to be confusing.

Another issue that needs to addressed is the current attempt by Republican legislatures to change how voters can be registered. Republicans have long objected to independent groups like Stacey Abramsí Fair Fight being able to register voters. If they change the laws so that people may only register to vote in person at a government office, registrations will drop dramatically.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:05 PM

51. Oregon is example

Oregon is total Vote by Mail - for decades.

No serious complaints on election integrity.

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Response to AncientOfDays (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:13 PM

54. Every couple of years, up in Oregon

you read about a low-level clerk getting caught bubbling in votes for down-ballot candidates where the actual voter had left it blank. They always fill in the bubble for the Republican.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:09 PM

53. The Democratic party should demand a paper trail and verifiable ability to recount be on all voting

machine makers. Especially ES&S voting machines.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:21 PM

56. Make it so. n/t

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:30 PM

57. This is the right thing to do.

Even if we can get it passed through legislation, the Trump judges will fuck over the people to keep the GOP in power.

The task ahead is massive.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 01:38 PM

59. I can walk to a church 3 blocks away to vote

These hours long lines have got to be eliminated. They have to limit, reduce, make it harder to vote. It is ALWAYS Republicans that come up with these voter ID laws. We need to make it much easier.


Peace

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 03:37 PM

61. We should allow everyone to vote by mail, and declare Voting Day a national holiday.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 03:44 PM

62. We should also go back to paper ballots at polling sites.

There must be a paper trail. None of this electronic crap with no receipt showing the choices you made. Just the fact that there is no receipt is fishy. Elections need to be above board.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 03:49 PM

63. So how can western states make this work smoothly

While eastern ones can't, I ask for the umpteenth time.

California - largest number of voters in the country - ran the November election by mail with little problem. Oregon and Washington have been doing mail elections exclusively for years. Even Utah - not known as a liberal, progressive state - does mail elections. Maybe our new senator, Mr. Padilla, can give the rest of Congress some clues on how to run a massive election (over % turnout statewide) efficiently.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 04:13 PM

66. Fix the Post Office

Our mailboxes were vandalized/broken into. They belong to the Post Office. They are community boxes.

After reporting to the police I tried contacting USPS customer service, the wait time was 60 minutes. I've left messages twice with no return call.

The USPS is needed to recover, the sooner the better. Fire and replace the saboteurs.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 04:44 PM

67. This is outrageous! Deep State trying to do what's safe and makes sense. Damn them! nt

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 05:38 PM

68. K&R

I've had enough GOP cheating for one lifetime

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2021, 10:52 PM

71. This is a necessary step, but forgive me if I wait for another source other than Rawstory. n/t

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Mon Feb 1, 2021, 09:05 AM

76. Congress can change federal voting rules

but they cannot change a state's administrative election laws & regulations. For too many good reasons to list here.

Congress, can changeaspects for the one election option they do control...that being the unique ballot the "President & Vice-President Only Ballot".

This is a ballot that is available; at any voting location anywhere in the nation on election day which you only vote for just the President & Vice-President.
You can walk into any polling location, on election day and without having to register to vote in the state you happen to be in, present a valid and current photo ID from your current home state and choose the President & Vice-President you'd like. There are no other candidates or offices on the "Presidential Only" ballot

Here's what I think Congress can do:
If Congress decides to change the requirements or procedures to cast one of those 'Prez Only' ballots, they certainly can.
SCOTUS has protected states rights to administer elections, but they also protected Congress' rights to administer this unique and rarely used ballot. It's a 2002 HAVA Act protection for the voting accessibility issue: that voters who are not in their home state, on election day may cast a ballot for the Offices of President and Vice-President of the United States by simply showing up at any local voting location, showing a valid and current Photo ID from thier home state and be given this unique ballot. They vote and these ballots are counted.

So Congress can change a few simple things, to expand access for these unique ballots; like early voting periods, but they can also put a noose around the neck of Voter Suppression by setting early voting times and locations, set voter qualifications and methods of casting a ballot for this unique simple ballot plus remove any state restirctions like; probationary periods, past due fines, skin color, areligious and gender identity and maybe even, space laser proximity.
(OK, I got off track a bit, but you get the idea of what Congress can do.)

It's Congress' choice regarding these 'Prez Only' ballots as this is a federal only ballot, nothing on it from any state, county or municipality.

They could set the voter qualifications to cast a ballot; like felony convictions does not disqualify a voter nor does probationary periods or past due fines disqualify a voter from voting with a Prez only ballot. Early voting periods for this one type of ballot could be weeks long prior to election day and what type of Real ID is compliant with the 2002's HAVA (Help America Vote Act) Act.
I am pretty sure it's Congress' choice, but may be wrong for the Prez Only Ballot.

If Congress does change the laws/regulations for that type of ballot, the states will have to adapt their own ballots, which often include the offices of Prez & VP, to be compliant with any new rules. Congress can reduce the GOP efforts to expand restrictions, early voting, voting by mail, etc by simply changing the requirements it sets for these two elected offices.

Some states will surely try to enact the obvious suppression option, if Congress actually does something like I suggest.
You might have to fill out two ballots on election day.
One ballot with 'Prez Only' and one for all the other statewide, county & municipal elected offices?
We could assume the GOP wants only the whitest, space laser dodging, gun-toting emotionally dwarfed T-rumped patriots to use.

Two ballots? I think that will be a hard sell.

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