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Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 12:19 PM Feb 2021

Children's ID tags unearthed at Nazi death camp in Poland

Why I oppose NAZIs and all their enablers, Trump-humping Republican and otherwise.



Children's ID tags unearthed at Nazi death camp in Poland

They reveal the tragic history of the Sobibor death camp.


By Patrick Pester - Staff Writer
LiveScience, Feb. 4, 2021

Archaeologists have unearthed the identity tags of four children murdered by the Nazis at Sobibor death camp in eastern Poland.

Each metal tag is different and was likely given to the children by their parents prior to being separated from them. The parents may have hoped the ID tags would help the children be returned home, according to Yoram Haimi, an archaeologist at the Israel Antiquities Authority, who is part of a team excavating the site.

"Every small artifact that we have brings a story. It's the story of the community from where they came to Sobibor," Haimi, whose uncle was killed at the camp, told Live Science.

SNIP...

The team unearthed the other three tags between 2012 and 2014 in the camp's "killing area," which contained the gas chamber, crematorium and a mass grave. The tags belonged to 8-year-old Deddie Zak, 12-year-old Annie Kapper and 11-year-old David Juda Van der Velde, who were murdered by the Nazis in 1943. Only half of David Juda Van der Velde's tag was found, and it shows signs of fire damage. "The Germans burned his body and on his neck was this tag," Haimi said.

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https://www.livescience.com/nazi-death-camp-sobibor-children-id-tags.html

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Children's ID tags unearthed at Nazi death camp in Poland (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 OP
Sobibor , one of the worst of the worst. Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #1
Washington, D.C., Jan. 6, 2021... Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #2
The fact people walk around, unashamedly, with shirts stating "6MWE"... Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #9
I'm not a violent person, Rustyeye77 Feb 2021 #13
Trump, the GOP and conservative media legitimized them. Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #14
Sobibor was a straight up death factory greenjar_01 Feb 2021 #3
Unimaginable, unspeakable criminality -- imagined and perpetrated by people. Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #4
Sobidor was the only death camp that had a mass escape obamanut2012 Feb 2021 #5
Thank you for the link. lucca18 Feb 2021 #6
You are very welcome obamanut2012 Feb 2021 #7
An Extermination Camp Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #10
The blackest of black humour canetoad Feb 2021 #12
Tears irisblue Feb 2021 #8
What Pablo Casals once said... Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #11

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
1. Sobibor , one of the worst of the worst.
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:14 PM
Feb 2021

The horrors are still coming to the surface, as what was old is new again.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
9. The fact people walk around, unashamedly, with shirts stating "6MWE"...
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 05:44 PM
Feb 2021

...as well as the one in the tweet you included, shows how anti-Semitism is still very much in the minds of many, including those who whish to side step the entire conversation about anti-Semitism.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
14. Trump, the GOP and conservative media legitimized them.
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 06:46 PM
Feb 2021

Since Nixon...



Billy Graham-Richard Nixon tapes: The one time Graham’s image was tarnished

By Debbie Lord
Cox Media Group National Content Desk, March 1, 2018

EXCERPT...

At first, Graham denied comments Haldeman made in his book, "The Haldeman Diaries" that Graham and Nixon had disparaged Jews in a conversation following a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. on Feb. 1, 1972. Haldeman said Graham had talked about a Jewish "stranglehold" on the country.

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''They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.

Graham told Nixon that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

''I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal (A.M. Rosenthal) at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know. And all -- I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances.''

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https://www.ajc.com/news/national/billy-graham-richard-nixon-tapes-the-one-time-graham-image-was-tarnished/DCj06gfORZJLYa30cLawWL/



That guy in the T-shirt? Trump referred to his ilk as “fine people.”
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
3. Sobibor was a straight up death factory
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:46 PM
Feb 2021

Arrive, straight to the gas chambers, or vans before that. No selection, no labor, no camp, really. Just mass production of death.

Horrible.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
4. Unimaginable, unspeakable criminality -- imagined and perpetrated by people.
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 02:03 PM
Feb 2021

Some have referred to the NAZIs as monsters. They are human beings who carried out monstrous actions. They cannot be allowed to escape their guilt.

“Evil to him who evil thinks.” — Medieval French, “honi soit qui mal y pense” is the motto of the Order of the Garter, originated in 1348.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
5. Sobidor was the only death camp that had a mass escape
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021

By the victims who were allowed to live and be the camp slaves. Because of this, the camp was razed and "disappeared." Although many of the escaped victims were killed by bullet or landmine, many also survived. One of them, Esther Rabe, was the neighbor of my college roommate.

Fascinating and brave story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_extermination_camp#Uprising

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
10. An Extermination Camp
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 06:04 PM
Feb 2021

That a phrase could describe a real place is enough to drive a human being mad. But they were very real places.



Mound of ashes is all that remains today at Sobibor

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/sobibor-extermination-camp

Thank you for the heads-up on the revolt of October 13, 1943, obamanut2012. We must remember them and do all we can to make this a better world for all.

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
12. The blackest of black humour
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 06:17 PM
Feb 2021

Came from a man who was a callow, 14 or 15 year old Russian at Sobibor. One of the few hundred kept as slave labourers in the death factory. He was interviewed for the documentary series, "Auschwitz: The Nazis and the Final Solution".

The escape planners had hidden him with an axe in the SS tailor's shop, intending to lure in an SS officer with the promise of a new piece of finery.

"When his back was turned, I hit him with the axe", he shrugged. "But no-one told me it should be the flat side of the axe. There was blood everywhere".

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I'm glad there is a forensic archaeological dig taking place at Sobibor. After the SS tried to eliminate all traces of Sobibor and Treblinka, there was little proof of their existence. Ten years ago Professor Caroline Sturdy Colls was given permission to carry out a dig at the Treblinka site - the first since the war. She established proof of extermination facilities and in doing so became one of the scourges of holocaust deniers.



Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
11. What Pablo Casals once said...
Thu Feb 4, 2021, 06:11 PM
Feb 2021

...has helped guide me. I’ve shared it whenever I can on DU.



“Every second we live is a new and unique moment for the universe, a moment that never was before and will never be again.

And what do we teach children in school? We teach them that two and two make four and that Paris is the capital of France.

When will we also teach them: Do you know what you are?

You are a Marvel. You are Unique. In all the world there is no other child exactly like you. In the millions of years that have passed there has never been another child like you.

And look at your body what a wonder it is! Your legs, your arms, your cunning fingers, the way you move! You may become a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven. You have the capacity for anything.

Yes, you are a marvel. And when you grow up, can you then harm another who is, like you, a marvel?

You must cherish one another. You must work. We all must work to make this world worthy of children.”

— Pablo Casals

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