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Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:52 PM

 

Trump just admitted that his conversation with McCarthy took place just as Herrera Butler described

WOW.

Nicely played, Congressman Raskin. Beautifully done.

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Reply Trump just admitted that his conversation with McCarthy took place just as Herrera Butler described (Original post)
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 OP
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #1
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #2
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #3
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #5
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #11
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #15
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #19
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #18
stillcool Feb 2021 #4
blogslut Feb 2021 #6
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #9
blogslut Feb 2021 #10
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #7
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #14
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #20
Wawannabe Feb 2021 #22
drray23 Feb 2021 #8
Stallion Feb 2021 #13
BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #23
Stallion Feb 2021 #25
BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #27
Hekate Feb 2021 #12
blm Feb 2021 #16
fishwax Feb 2021 #17
dsc Feb 2021 #21
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #24
Stallion Feb 2021 #29
StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #30
George II Feb 2021 #26
BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #28

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:53 PM

1. No witnesses.

This wrangling is fishy as hell.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:53 PM

2. Not fishy at all

 

This was very well-played.

They got Trump to admit he had the conversation with McCarthy and managed to do it without dragging out the proceedings.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:57 PM

3. But

Tuberville had a conversation with djt too. About Pence.

I do not agree that it was well played.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:00 PM

5. Tuberville has already confirmed that the conversation took place as described.

What do you think would be gained by having him testify? It was a four-minute conversation that he's fully detailed.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:05 PM

11. Is it admitted as evidence?

The defense called all of that RUMORS.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:12 PM

15. The reports of his saying that have been admitted

 

He hasn't given a statement. And he won't. If they want him to testify, they'll have to subpoena him, then depose him and maybe in a couple of weeks, take his testimony. And even then, we have no idea what he'll say. And, of course, if he is forced to testify, the defense attorneys may also call witnesses.

All that to try to get Tuberville to admit under oath that he told Donald Trump something that everyone already knows Trump knew at the time, that he is already known to have said publicly, and that won't make a dime's worth of difference in the outcome of this trial.

Not worth the time and effort.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:17 PM

19. Lee has turned over phone records

Maybe it was better played than at first blush.
I remain skeptical but watching.

https://democraticunderground.com/10142694882

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:17 PM

18. It was discussed in the Q&A session.

Trump's attorney didn't dispute that the call happened -- he called it hearsay (not rumors), but that's ridiculous.

Tuberville spoke with the president directly. That's the opposite of hearsay.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:57 PM

4. thank you starfish...

sometimes I really hate this place. Maybe it's the weekend? Too many people are way too arrogant in their belief that they know what they can't possibly know. They typical derision of Democrats is fully on display as well.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

6. I missed him admitting that

Can you tell me where I can read about it?

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Response to blogslut (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 PM

9. His attorney stated that Trump stipulates that Herrara Butler's statement is accurate.

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:04 PM

10. cool

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

7. Yep.

That won't stop the DU brain trust from insisting that they know better than everyone.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:08 PM

14. You are essentially saying that

starfishsaver knows better than everyone else.
You get that right?


We can disagree and talk about this. I am absolutely not saying I know better than anyone else. But I can participate and disagree and tell you that you are saying starfishsaver knows best.

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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:29 PM

20. No, I'm saying that DUers routinely profess that they know more than anyone...

how every step of a process like this should go, and that includes House and Senate leadership, Democratic lawyers and Constitutional scholars, the president and his staff, and pretty much every other Democrat alive.

To some, nothing is ever right and every decision is always wrong. Every decision is a disaster and every minor development is an earthquake of epic proportions. One would think a portal to hell just opened.

I'm not talking about everyone, but there are plenty of them around. Always has been, spanning the entire 20 years I've been here.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:35 PM

22. Including knowing that no witnesses is well played?

You agreed with that.

You also know more according to this answer you are giving.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:02 PM

8. that was a masterfull move.

its in the records for posterity and we avoid a circus with the gop calling irrelevant witnesses and diluting the impact of the point the managers were trying to make.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:06 PM

13. Plus Once its Admitted into Evidence, its a Proper Subject of Closing Arguments

otherwise, it would be an improper line of argument

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Response to Stallion (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:36 PM

23. As a follow-on - this WAS included in the closing arguments that Cicilline has been giving

as FYI...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:40 PM

25. Yeah It Was Part of the Opening Argument of Raskin Too

attorneys want to get evidence into the record so they can make arguments concerning the importance of such evidence in closing arguments

its like putting a jigsaw puzzle together so you can see the full picture at the end

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Response to Stallion (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:45 PM

27. And NOW "someone"... ahem... must have called them up

and they are now objecting to it... after the fact.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:06 PM

12. 5th Rec. Off to the Greatest page

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:12 PM

16. Exactly what was needed.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:14 PM

17. wow

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:30 PM

21. actually that isn't quite right

they agreed that the congresswoman would say under oath that it had not the same thing.

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Response to dsc (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:39 PM

24. They stipulated that her testimony would be consistent with what she had previously stated

 

and they would not object to her previous statements being put into the record. In essence, they admitted that she's telling the truth.

I've edited my OP to clarify that point. Thanks.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:56 PM

29. In Legal Parlance-Its Not Really an Admission But Evidence That May be Used as an Inference...

by the jury (ie Senate) to reach a conclusion of fact. Since the jury always is the final arbiter of the credibility of a witness such UNCONTRADICTED evidence should establish the fact as a matter of law if the jury finds such testimony credible. Its not an admission though because the jury could still find the witness uncredible and therefore reject the evidence

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Response to Stallion (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:00 PM

30. It is an admission for all intents and purposes in this context

 

This isn't a courtroom trial. But in a trial, even if he came out and admitted it in so many words, a jury could find her not to be credible.

And in future proceedings, his allowing that to be admitted into evidence without objection can also be treated as an admission.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:42 PM

26. That was VERY important, the final vote notwithstanding. It was basically an admission of guilt.

Still, he'll be acquitted but it give credence to any future vote to permanently disqualify him, which only needs a majority of votes.

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Response to George II (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:46 PM

28. But now the other side is now suddenly complaining about it... after the fact

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