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NewHendoLib

(60,018 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:41 PM Feb 2021

Slate - thoughts on this? "Democrats Are Waltzing Toward an Easily Avoidable Political Disaster..."

Democrats Are Waltzing Toward an Easily Avoidable Political Disaster With Their COVID Bill"

BY JORDAN WEISSMANN
FEB 22, 20214:44 PM

At the moment, Democrats in Washington appear to be in danger of sleepwalking their way toward a major policy and public relations debacle. The problem? With tax season underway, millions of Americans who lost their jobs thanks to the coronavirus crisis might soon discover that they unexpectedly owe thousands of dollars to the IRS. Lawmakers could prevent this wave of surprise tax bills by adding a fix to the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package that’s currently moving through Congress. But so far, efforts to do so seem to be stalling out. A senior Democratic aide told me that, as of now, he thought the chances legislators would act were “slim to none,” and described the failure as “political malpractice.”

While unemployment benefits have long been considered taxable income, recipients are often unaware of that fact until it’s time to file. Under normal circumstances, this is not necessarily a disaster, since people tend to stay on unemployment for relatively short stints of time. But the past year has been different. A historic number of households fell back on unemployment insurance to survive the pandemic, and some have collected well over $10,000 or even $20,000 in aid thanks to the enhanced benefits Congress enacted.

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Again, some Democrats are trying to head off this issue before it potentially explodes by including a fix in the $1.9 trillion COVID relief bill currently making its way through Congress. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin and Iowa Rep. Cindy Axne, for instance, introduced legislation that would forgive taxes on up to $10,200 in unemployment benefits. But the House Ways and Means Committee chose not to include the provision. And it’s unclear, at best, whether the idea will make it into the Senate version. “While there is support for tax forgiveness, there are many priorities members are fighting for,” another Democratic aide told me. “Conversations are ongoing.”

Why wouldn’t Democrats just fix this? Part of the answer has to do with the arcane rules governing budget reconciliation, the procedure Democrats are using to skirt the filibuster and pass their COVID bill with just 50 votes in the Senate. Under the process, each committee is assigned a section of the legislation, along with a ceiling on what they are allowed to spend. If the Senate wanted to add a UI tax fix, the chamber’s Finance Committee would have to cut something else from its section of the bill, since the issue would fall under its jurisdiction. And finding things to cut is tricky.

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(This is new to me...seems like something that should be addressed. Joe is off to a great start - this is a super important bill - hoping it is as good as it can be).

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still_one

(92,372 posts)
1. When claiming unemployment they give you the option of having taxes taken out. There should not
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:50 PM
Feb 2021

be any ambiguity that UI is taxable

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
2. "While unemployment benefits have long been considered taxable income"
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:50 PM
Feb 2021

And anyone who has ever filed a tax return after collecting them knows this, so I don't think this is the political disaster in waiting Slate is proclaiming it to be. I suspect most people would understand that if they collect more in benefits, they'll pay more in taxes. That's common sense.

That's not to say they shouldn't pursue waiving taxes on them. They should. I think Slate's just being a tad hyperbolic, as they tend to do on, well, everything. And to them, it seems that it's always the Democrats who are on the verge of some disaster.

NewHendoLib

(60,018 posts)
3. Agree for the most part, and they tend to have lots of good stuff
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:54 PM
Feb 2021

I tend to think they just want Democrats to do well/do the right thing, so they do what we all tend to do - be really hard on ourselves...while republicans seem to aim to sink into the swamp on damn near everything.

Makes it feel like a no -win situation, often.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
6. Yeah, but they blame Democrats for problems that they just make up.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 PM
Feb 2021

This is a perfect example. A couple thousand words on a problem that quite literally doesn't exist. Everyone knows they're taxable.

Sure, it would be great if they could make them non-taxable, but if they don't, nothing changes. The situation is the same as it was before and the same as everyone already understood, including taxpayers. It's not a disaster in waiting.

By bringing attention to this non-existent problem, all they accomplish is to get people riled up.

That is the intent. That's because their real motivation is advertising revenue and that means clicks. Clicks are generated by clickbait, which is a way of life at Slate and has been for years.

 

thx64536

(47 posts)
4. There are some constants in the Universe
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 PM
Feb 2021

I don't think this matters much. No matter what Democrats do or not do Republicans will use pareidolia to make it mean Democrats are poo-poo.

Democrats should just concentrate on making government work in the short term.

It just makes me so angry we still have the Senate filibuster or cloture rule. After the events of January 6th things are getting real. If government doesn't start functioning soon the party of sedition and insurrectionist will get rid of Congress.

I don't accept the argument Democrats need the filibuster for when Republicans are in power. I say let the Republicans do what they want based on the votes and then they will suffer political fallout the likes God has never seen. Then finally Congress will get stuff done based on what election results. Elections will actual matter again.

I'm just amazed after the events of January 6th everything is just business as usual for the Republicans. It's truly stunning.

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
8. I Agree Larwdem. I Bet Most People Have Taxes Withheld.
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 PM
Feb 2021

As I noted in another comment my granddaughter was given a choice whether she wanted 10% taxes withheld in CA. That 10% should be more than enough to cover her 6 months of UI benefit.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. Someone should educate JORDAN WEISSMANN
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 PM
Feb 2021

Hard to call yourself a 'hard hitting' journalist when ya left out a major piece of the conversation.

Jordan should update his Dem hit piece.
Judging by his twitter its clear why he's writing articles with missing key points about Democrats.

Wonder if he knows BriBri Joy Grey or Tom Kludt of Vanity Fair, or the Red Rose twitterers.
🙄

It appears they've never met a Democrat they didn't write a hit piece on.

This half-assed article doesn't surprise me at all.








Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
7. Usually When Filing For UI Benefits You Are Asked If You Want Fed Taxes Withheld
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not sure sure this is as big a problem as the Slate article says. Relatives in my family collected UI in 3 different states in 2020. (CA, IN and FL) All had Fed taxes withheld. I believe my GD in CA was given the option not to have any Fed taxes withheld. Still, that means anyone collecting UI in many states are made aware that UI is taxable.

jcgoldie

(11,639 posts)
9. This is nonsense
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 PM
Feb 2021

Everybody knows unemployment is taxable income and you can take the taxes out week by week or you'll owe in the end. You can't even file without making that choice.

PSPS

(13,613 posts)
11. Jordan Weissman needs to educate himself about two things:
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:42 PM
Feb 2021

Unemployment insurance and politics, especially if he's been tasked to write a story about unemployment insurance and politics.

The canard about UI being taxable is well covered by other comments here. The tax level is almost always the lowest marginal rate anyway (10%.)

The politics: It would be politically far easier to do the UI "fix" by itself than to have to bargain away part of Biden's reconciliation package to get it now. Let the Qanon people defend their refusal to "fix" this all by itself.

intrepidity

(7,335 posts)
12. The Trump payroll tax deferrment is more likely to cause problems
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:52 PM
Feb 2021

I haven't seen anything about that for months. Remember Trump promising if he was reelected, he'd consider forgiving the tax? Well guess what?

Hekate

(90,778 posts)
14. So, are Dems sleepwalking or waltzing? Hard to do both at the same time. Or is the author...
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:59 PM
Feb 2021

...just pulling a lot of generic “Dems are in disarray and can’t walk and chew gum at the same time” insults out of his ...insult bag?

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