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dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:22 PM Feb 2021

Biden Won't Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi's Killing, Fearing Relations Breach

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/us/politics/biden-mbs-khashoggi.html

Biden Won’t Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi’s Killing, Fearing Relations Breach
The decision will disappoint the human rights community and members of his own party who complained during the Trump administration that the U.S. was failing to hold Mohammed bin Salman accountable.
By David E. Sanger
Feb. 26, 2021 Updated 3:16 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — President Biden has decided that the price of directly penalizing Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, is too high, according to senior administration officials, despite a detailed American intelligence finding that he directly approved the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the dissident and Washington Post columnist who was drugged and dismembered in October 2018.

The decision by Mr. Biden, who during the 2020 campaign called Saudi Arabia a “pariah” state with “no redeeming social value,” came after weeks of debate in which his newly formed national security team advised him that there was no way to formally bar the heir to the Saudi crown from entering the United States, or to weigh criminal charges against him, without breaching the relationship with one of America’s key Arab allies.

Officials said a consensus developed inside the White House that the price of that breach, in Saudi cooperation on counterterrorism and in confronting Iran, was simply too high.

Mr. Biden’s aides said that as a practical matter, Prince Mohammed would not be invited to the United States anytime soon, and they denied that they were giving Saudi Arabia a pass, describing series of new actions on lower-level officials intended to penalize elite elements of the Saudi military and impose new deterrents to human rights abuses.

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Biden Won't Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi's Killing, Fearing Relations Breach (Original Post) dalton99a Feb 2021 OP
Can't Biden at least suggest to King Salmon that he have MBS spanked, or worse? no_hypocrisy Feb 2021 #1
Why publish the truth... tonedevil Feb 2021 #2
+1000. nt ecstatic Feb 2021 #4
Would you rather they hid the truth and not own up to what's actually happening? nt LAS14 Feb 2021 #5
It might allow me... tonedevil Feb 2021 #7
Because there are other ways to go after people. Hurt them through boycotts JI7 Feb 2021 #15
There's still such a thing... tonedevil Feb 2021 #16
And you can reply with strongly worded posts on the internet. JI7 Feb 2021 #17
I'd just like the US leadership... tonedevil Feb 2021 #18
This seems uncool. aocommunalpunch Feb 2021 #3
I agree. Huge mistake. triron Feb 2021 #8
Agree mdelaguna Feb 2021 #9
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2021 #11
I agree rockfordfile Feb 2021 #25
I don't subscribe, but who is saying what? stillcool Feb 2021 #6
When do we implement regime change in Saudi Arabia? Unleash the CIA! Klaralven Feb 2021 #10
Well Trump kept the whole thing secret mvd Feb 2021 #12
I trust President Biden to act in the national interest. tritsofme Feb 2021 #13
Well, it's the same as letting Putin get by w/ putting bounties on our soldiers in Afghanistan SWBTATTReg Feb 2021 #14
Disappointing that he won't be penalized Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2021 #19
He campaigned on holding MBS accountable. Gross. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #20
He campaigned on holding MBS accountable. Gross. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #21
That's alright with me. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #22
I'm disappointed. BlueLucy Feb 2021 #23
Intelligence concerning terrorist threats to the US . JI7 Feb 2021 #24
Energy independence is the only way out of this. radius777 Feb 2021 #26
Don't really import much oil from Saudi.. EX500rider Feb 2021 #27
It's not about Oil . It's about access to intelligence from the SAudis about possible threats to the JI7 Feb 2021 #28
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
7. It might allow me...
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:46 PM
Feb 2021

to hold onto my obviously false hope that there might be a US leader who wouldn't choose to coddle murderous dictators. Now I'm thoroughly disillusioned and sad that our country displays no moral courage.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
15. Because there are other ways to go after people. Hurt them through boycotts
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 09:21 PM
Feb 2021

stop business deals etc.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
18. I'd just like the US leadership...
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:07 PM
Feb 2021

to respond more forcefully than what I'm able to as an individual. The way that Khashoggi was tortured and killed is Nazi level evil and there are zero consequences. I think that is good people saying nothing and enabling evil.

aocommunalpunch

(4,241 posts)
3. This seems uncool.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:15 PM
Feb 2021
Mr. Biden’s aides said that as a practical matter, Prince Mohammed would not be invited to the United States anytime soon


GTFOH. Ooooooooo. He's grounded for a while? Whatever.

they denied that they were giving Saudi Arabia a pass, describing series of new actions on lower-level officials intended to penalize elite elements of the Saudi military and impose new deterrents to human rights abuses.


Seriously? This is some weak sauce. The bastard is SKATING and laughing about it.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
6. I don't subscribe, but who is saying what?
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:38 PM
Feb 2021

did Biden or Jen Psaki, or some other someone with a name say something?

mvd

(65,174 posts)
12. Well Trump kept the whole thing secret
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 08:40 PM
Feb 2021

It all came out under Biden. Media glossing over Trump’s covering it up.

I am a dove and hope something can be done without starting a major conflict.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
14. Well, it's the same as letting Putin get by w/ putting bounties on our soldiers in Afghanistan
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 08:58 PM
Feb 2021

isn't it? The waters between our Countries though, should be tainted with the 'wink wink' knowledge that each of the two Countries knows what the other did, what the other knows now. The relationship has been forever tainted, damaged, the asks and consequent gives in return have been forever altered, and S. Arabia, as long as this thug remains in power (and it looks like it will unfortunately), the relationship is damaged seriously. As it should be. I don't want to do business w/ someone that could put a knife in my ribs later if I displease them in some manner.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
19. Disappointing that he won't be penalized
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:34 PM
Feb 2021

but I don't think that we'll be sending them bucketfuls of arms or giving them quite the "royal treatment" that they were getting under Trump. The price and demands of diplomacy sometimes makes for less than desirable decisions.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
23. I'm disappointed.
Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:57 PM
Feb 2021

Can someone tell me what the US needs from Saudi Arabia? They were never held accountable for 9/11 and now Khashoggi's Killing.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
26. Energy independence is the only way out of this.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:09 AM
Feb 2021

Our entanglement in the Middle East (and concern about the balance of power thereof) is mostly about oil.

The quicker we move to green energy (which Biden is very supportive of) the quicker we can disentangle from many of these rogue actors across the globe.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
27. Don't really import much oil from Saudi..
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:44 AM
Feb 2021

...only about 10% of our crude imports...40%+ comes from Canada.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
28. It's not about Oil . It's about access to intelligence from the SAudis about possible threats to the
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:07 AM
Feb 2021

US and other things.

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