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Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:10 PM

Progressives turn up the Heat on Manchin and Sinema!


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Interesting tidbit: Bernie Sanders carried every county in WV in the 2016 primaries.

This is just the beginning- as more folks get vaccinated, more will take to the streets; if the filibuster survives until the August recess, it’s going to be a long, hot summer for Manchin and Sinema.

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Reply Progressives turn up the Heat on Manchin and Sinema! (Original post)
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2021 #1
comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #2
BGBD Mar 2021 #12
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #14
BGBD Mar 2021 #15
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #19
BGBD Mar 2021 #25
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #29
BGBD Mar 2021 #30
Celerity Mar 2021 #22
BGBD Mar 2021 #24
Celerity Mar 2021 #27
Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #3
comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #4
NurseJackie Mar 2021 #6
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #9
Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #7
Hortensis Mar 2021 #5
Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #8
Hortensis Mar 2021 #20
JNelson6563 Mar 2021 #10
msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #11
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #13
msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #26
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #28
OBrien Mar 2021 #16
PufPuf23 Mar 2021 #17
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #18
Cha Mar 2021 #21
Celerity Mar 2021 #23

Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:18 PM

1. I can only hope that it's a long, hot summer for them both! They deserve this. n/t

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:44 PM

2. "Interesting tidbit: Bernie Sanders carried every county in WV in the 2016 primaries."

And lost every one of them in 2020. Progressives don't have any clout in West Virginia. Progressive darling Paula Jean Swearengin only managed 27% against Shelley Moore Capito in the 2020 Senate election. Joe Manchin isn't worried by progressives at home at ell.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:43 PM

12. Manchin

Beat her by about the same margin when she tried to primary him.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 07:46 PM

14. And then he went on to win re-election by 3%/19,000 votes. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:24 PM

15. Yup....

In a state Trump won by 40.

What's your point?

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Response to BGBD (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:52 PM

19. My point is Manchin loses re-election in 2024 if he pisses off 19,000 voters who are suffering. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:11 AM

25. Manchin knows what he's doing

He certainly doesn't need your advice on how to run elections in WV.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:22 AM

29. He certainly needs to listen to his constituents, don't you think? Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:57 AM

30. What makes you think he isn't?

I have a feeling I know a lot more about his constituents than you do.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:13 PM

22. different elections. 2018 when Manchin barely won was that once in a generation Blue Wave

and was against a really poor candidate.

Rump's election was 2020. If Manchin had run then, odds are pretty high he would have lost. He is not up for re-election for almost four years, yet he is doing things that likely hurt us in 2022. All for a potential win in 2024 that is fairly unlikely, especially if Justice runs against him. Justice has now (in the words of an actual West Virginian poster here) outflanked Manchin somewhat on the left and completely on the right. Also, as I have repeatedly said, no one has adequately explain how Manchin screwing over his voting base on multiple issues aids him in any way in 2024.

He single-handedly just ripped close to 2000 usd from millions of peoples' UE cheques (Manchin's 23 weeks at 300 PW is 6900 usd, whilst the House bill, that all but Machin supported was 22 weeks at 400 usd per week, thus 8800 usd in toto), plus he worked with Shaheen and Sinema to take away any COVID aid cheques from 17 million people (12 million adults, 5 million children). Thus people got two cheques under the POS Rump, now they get nothing under us. Also, his minimum wage demands strip away over 8000 usd per year from a full-time minimum wage West Virginian worker (11 usd ph at full-time versus 15 usd ph at fulltime yields $8,320 per annum less)

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:10 AM

24. Against a really poor candidate????


Patrick Morrisey has won statewide election twice already, including beating Darrell McGraw, who had been Attorney General for 20 years before that. He's easily one of the top republican politician in the state. Bad candidate? That's absurd.

Trump spent a lot of time in WV in the runup to the 2018 election. He wouldn't have spent a second here in the 2020 runup. Republicans wanted WV more than anything else because it should have been an easy pickup. The reason they didn't pick it up is because Joe Manchin knows how to win elections in WV better than anybody in the world.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:46 PM

3. It was a primary...and they hated Hillary. They said when interviewed that they would never

vote for Sen. Sanders in the general...Leave them alone we need them for our majority.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:07 PM

4. We do need them for our majority. The best solution

is to elect more Democratic senators to reduce Manchin and Sinema's influence.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:16 PM

6. I do not understand the cult-of-revenge...

... particularly when the "revenge" or kneecapping some are seeking would actually do more to HARM so many progressive goals and objectives. Everyone knew in advance this would fail. It's no surprise. Why are so many acting so "surprised" and so angry? It's not as if someone snatched away victory at the last moment. Victory was never in the cards to begin with.

We BARELY have a 50/50 "majority" and it makes more sense to focus on the things we CAN accomplish rather than kneecapping the VERY SAME ONES that we'll need to maintain that (so called and tenuous) "majority".

elect more Democratic senators to reduce Manchin and Sinema's influence.
I absolutely agree! Instead of pouting and licking self-inflicted wounds... it's better to look forward. Instead of lashing out and trying to bloody and weaken Democrats with UNNECESSARY "primarying" as punishment, we should instead be working hard to REPLACE 5 or 6 Republican Senators with Democrats!!!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:32 PM

9. Without HR1 (which requires killing the filibuster) we won't be electing more Dem senators

With the new voter suppression laws just passed in GA, Warnock will likely lose re-election in 2022, and Dems picking up any new seats is unlikely as over 500 voter suppression laws in 43 states are in the works.

If HR1 fails to pass this year, the house majority disappears just through the gerrymandering of 6 districts. Republicans are working to rig the system for minority rule for a decade or more. If they take the house, they will impeach Biden and Harris; if they take the senate, they will install their candidate in the White House in 2024, regardless of the actual election results, by challenging and rejecting as many electoral votes as needed to make it so.

People who realize the survival of the Democratic Party, and the survival of American democracy depends on the elimination of the filibuster and passage of HR1, this year:

Adam Schiff
Jeff Merkley
Amy Klobuchar
Bernie Sanders
...and Barack Obama.

2022 will be too late- district lines will be redrawn and voter suppression laws will be in place.

As Schiff put it, this is a “break glass” emergency.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:21 PM

7. I agree completely.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:15 PM

5. DU is being absolutely flooded with this stuff. It will continue.

Some euphemistically call those trying to unseat Democrats in red states, while pretending not to know they'd be replaced with Republicans, "purists." I do not.

Remember 2016. The same subversive agents are "out there" busily preying on vulnerable minds. Again. Still.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:25 PM

8. You would think after Trump, they would have learned their lesson...the suggestions in the post

will cause us to lose the majority and it is not just 16, the same bullshit cost us the House in 10 and the Senate in 14...and after Trump was elected...no progressive revolution...nope we got three right wing judges and babies in cages. Not one new progressive Senator was elected in 20...not one.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:54 PM

20. You certainly would think that. +1000 for truth.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:36 PM

10. Glad they've stopped blaming VP Harris.

Idiots.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:38 PM

11. This is not helping our cause, it is hurting it.

Please.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 06:55 PM

13. Preserving Democracy and the Democratic majorities is my cause, what's yours? Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:14 AM

26. It's mine as well.

Goals are one thing. Tactics that undermine the goals is the point.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:21 AM

28. When your house is on fire, you don't negotiate with the arsonist. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:32 PM

16. Another post to trash

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:46 PM

17. IMO the best approach to WV and other red or swing states

is to bully through programs where the current GOP voters benefit and some feel safer and more hopeful about the future.

That is what FDR did. Use the Green New Deal to bring jobs and awareness to rural America.

Some folks are too lodged in their racism or church or selfishness. Some people also want to be good and be safe.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:51 PM

18. Yup. WV was blue until 2014- voters will respond to substantive change that improves their lives. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:54 PM

21. Yeah, I don't get Sinema.. Sen Mark Kelly

Votes FOR Helping More People in ARIZONA!

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:18 PM

23. +1



And neither Manchin nor Sinema even runs for almost 4 years (Kelly has to run in 2022, so even more exposure). Meanwhile 2022 looms menacingly, especially given the disastrous outcomes of the last 2 first midterms for a Dem POTUS we suffered through.

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