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The TelegraphMatthew Day
Sat, March 13, 2021, 11:12 AM
(COVID-wise, Europe is historically about 2 weeks ahead of the US of A.. Watch out !! My comment)
Its an unwelcome paradox for Hungary. Medics have dispensed over a million vaccinations, and the country now only trails Malta in the EU when it comes to vaccinations per capita, but all this has failed to prevent Hungary suffering from a crippling third Covid-19 wave, with Hungarians testing positive in record numbers.
Hungarys health authorities reported on Friday a new daily high of 9,011 positive tests, while another 130 deaths brought the countrys Covid-19 toll to 16,627. On the same day the number of Covid patients in hospital rose by 389 to reach 8,718.
The country now has the third highest Covid-19 fatality rate in the world, and is fourth place globally in deaths per capita, according to information from the John Hopkins University.
All this despite Hungary using Russias Sputnik V and the Chinese Sinopharm vaccines to help drive the vaccination rate up to 13.2 doses per 100 people, far better than the EU average of 9.1.
Tamas Sved, secretary of the Hungarian Medical Chamber, has said that the countrys health system is almost at capacity, not through a lack of bed and ventilators but through a lack of the specialist staff needed to keep the seriously ill alive.
Hungarys media is now reporting that hospital doctors are having to decide who lives, and who dies.
intrepidity
(7,346 posts)tirebiter
(2,539 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,327 posts)on how those two vaccines supposedly do against the UK variant?
LisaL
(44,980 posts)I don't see anything to suggest vaccinated people are the ones who are getting infected.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are able to build immunity. Likely Hungary hasn't been vaccinating many very long, with most pretty recently.
I just did a quick glance:
They started with some Pfizer in December, but reportedly less than 15% were willing to get it then.
(!) to that.
After, in probably mid February they started vaccinating with a Russian vaccine, then in last week of February with China's Sinopharm, for which users in UAE report about 79% efficacy, and perhaps similar in protection to J&J's, i.e., more people become infected, but no critical care needed and no deaths.
Initech
(100,123 posts)I would bet some very good money that they lied about the efficacy results. Putin is not to be trusted on anything.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)About 11 % of adults in Hungary received at least 1 vaccination dose. You need two doses to be fully protected (unless it's J&J, which they haven't been using so far). So that leaves plenty of un-vaccinated people to get infected.
BannonsLiver
(16,541 posts)They are the Klingons of our world.
WarGamer
(12,491 posts)"Countries are lining up for supplies of Sputnik V after peer-reviewed results published in The Lancet medical journal this week showed the Russian vaccine protects against the deadly virus about as well as U.S. and European shots, and far more effectively than Chinese rivals."
Initech
(100,123 posts)WarGamer
(12,491 posts)Countries are lining up for supplies of Sputnik V after peer-reviewed results published in The Lancet medical journal this week showed the Russian vaccine protects against the deadly virus about as well as U.S. and European shots, and far more effectively than Chinese rivals.
https://fortune.com/2021/02/08/international-sputnik-russia-demand/
dalton99a
(81,663 posts)Other Central European countries are also falling under the dark sway of the British mutation. The Czech and Slovak republics, praised last year for their efforts at containing the first wave, are now battling the grim effects of the third wave with 207 people dying on March 12 in the Czech Republic.
In Poland, where the British variant now accounts for around 40 per cent of infections, the daily infection rate topped 21,000 on Friday, and this week the capital Warsaw came under a tighter lockdown regime.
To add to their woes AstraZenica, the Anglo/Swedish pharmaceutical firm, announced on Saturday a delay in vaccine supplies to the EU.
It had previously warned it was facing shortfalls from its European supply chain due to "lower-than-expected output from the production process."
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HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Russian and/or Chinese vaxes ineffective? Do the people practice the social distancing and masking recommendations?
And 13.2% is good but not really high enough.
on edit-- I see that they blame the British variant. But, still, is that the only reason?
HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)not enough vaccine,
new variants
maskless fools
etc........
Initech
(100,123 posts)Putin sounds like a dirty dealer and I would not trust a single word he says about the Sputnik vaccine.
GopherGal
(2,010 posts)All the vaccines were, of course, developed against the original version of the virus. Even if you have 100% faith in the effectiveness/trials of the Sputnik vaccine, it may have diminished effectiveness against the mutated variants (and any claims about its effectiveness against the variant should be subject to at least the same level of skepticism as the original claims.)
LisaL
(44,980 posts)They are also using 5 different vaccines. Why exactly are you picking on Russian vaccine? There is no data provided in the article to indicate vaccinated people are the ones getting infected.
Initech
(100,123 posts)The Sinofarm and Russian vaccines have been proven to have the least efficacy of anything that's come out so far, am I right about that?
And yeah I do agree that with a single dose it's still too early to tell what's going to happen.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Presumably that was against original variant.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)and are therefore susceptible.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,402 posts)so yes, you can basically put this down to the British variant. They may not have been distancing and masking as much as they ought (as the UK wasn't in December).
See https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus for a graph of countries' infection (or death) rates.
moondust
(20,019 posts)Rome, Milan, Venice, and others will be "red zones" starting Monday.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-covid-coronavirus-3rd-wave-new-lockdown/
HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)retread
(3,765 posts)"As of Friday, 11.9% of Hungary's adult population had received at least one dose of a vaccine."
About 88% of adults are NOT vaccinated.
bottomofthehill
(8,358 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)while the rest of the country is still decreasing a bit on average.
I don't know if we're a harbinger for the rest of the country or what, but the fact that our governor LOOSENED restrictions on businesses 2 weeks ago was not a fucking good idea. Because any impact from that won't have shown up yet, which means numbers will keep going up. Again. AND we have plenty of cases of the UK variant here and even some of the S African variant as of last week.
SO FRUSTRATED.
HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)Lots of places, states, are 'opening up. I live in Upstate NY. Cuomo is getting ready to open more cause the 'rates are going down."
But hell, they are still 3-4 times higher for infections/capita than last summer!
Dumb !! And he has MOSTLY done pretty well for the last year.
(NO comments on his current situation, please.... )
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Same approach of declaring success, loosening restriction. Restaurants, bars, gatherings, and school sports are madness before the rate goes down.
Apparently the political calculation is that people will tolerate a high rate of Covid cases so long as the hospitals aren't overloaded.
tanyev
(42,657 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)tanyev
(42,657 posts)flying_wahini
(6,683 posts)The younguns may not be so lucky. Between Ken Paxton trying to sue Austin for wearing masks and Gov Hot Wheels doing exactly the wrong thing Over again we are pretty screwed. Most the liberals I know are paying attention and wearing masks.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)WarGamer
(12,491 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)"19.9%. Thats the percentage of Americans who have received at least one vaccine shot. The share of Americans who are fully vaccinated is 10.5%, meaning theyve taken two doses of Pfizer or Modernas vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnsons single-shot vaccine. Once 70% to 90% of Americans have some degree of immunity from the coronavirus due to either past infection or vaccination, most experts think the country will reach herd immunity, meaning the virus will have a much harder time spreading."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/03/12/the-us-has-now-administered-100-million-covid-vaccine-shots/?sh=61013a0b3e8d
WarGamer
(12,491 posts)EX500rider
(10,884 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)History doesnt repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.
Mark Twain quote I do believe.
Ms. Toad
(34,120 posts)than 2 weeks, ahead of the US.
Their trough started sometime in January.