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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo Hell With Joe Manchin!!!
His op-ed made me furious. Not only will he not even reform the filibuster, but he will oppose Bidens infrastructure bill if they hold a vote through reconciliation. He will doom us all.
We need to get our asses to the polls in 2022 and pack the senate so we can drown out that blue dog.
Biden needs to use the bully pulpit technique and force him to vote our way.
walkingman
(7,609 posts)it sometimes is. I personally think it is more of an ego trip than ideology.
PortTack
(32,762 posts)TomDaisy
(1,870 posts)PortTack
(32,762 posts)schumer knows how to pressure him. Finestein has broken, recently saying she would be willing to change the filibuster rule if qgop continues to road block
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Because him and Sinema are holding the door open for voting rights to be completely extinct. They are welcoming GQP facist rule
And anti-voting rights laws could affect their own elections. Opposing reform or elimination of the filibuster is stupid as well as being naive.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)WV's governor already proved it's possible and viable politically for Manchin.
Let's not get greedy and end up with nothing.
msongs
(67,405 posts)Celerity
(43,339 posts)Manchin (not even counting the potentially even more radical Sinema, who wants to move to a 60 vote threahold for ALL Senate action) can singlehandedly stop all major Biden legislation. He can can even bring all reconciliation-enabled legislation to a dead stop.
IF he actually follows through and does all this (blocking the voting rights bills especially will fuck us and the country badly, so badly) he is going to go down in history as the most hated Democrat in history since the worst of the old bull Dixiecrats.
IF he insists on bi-partisan bills (and this begs the question, what is a bi-partisan bill on the Manchinian scale) we are fucked. I so doubt even Collins and Murkowski break for us. Even if 5 Rethugs, 7 Rethugs do come over, we still do not have the 60 votes (which Manchin has said he will never vote to do away with, so down goes the talking filibuster reform option) for cloture for anything not germane to reconciliation.
Finally, he also is now saying he will not even accept goddamn reconciliation. IF he actually does that, Biden's agenda is completely dead (as is our party) in the water.
All this over a not at all certian re-election almost 4 years from now, an election that does us fuckall good if we lose the Senate (and even more likely the House) in 2022 and then fail again in 2024.
Dire situation we are in. We have zero real leverage on either Manchin or Sinema. Both can bolt the Party at any time as well if we go straight head cracking mode on them in a desperate attempt to force their hand.
It is pointless to primary Manchin. He is the only Dem who can win WV. Sinema, on the other hand, likely needs to go go go. Kelly has the exact same voters and is nothing like her in terms of insane demands for this pantomime bi-partisanship and its resultant gridlock, and he Is FAR more popular than she is. We need to find another Kelly, a centre left moderate who is NOT an obstructionist, doesn't have delusional thoughts of needing 60 votes for ALL Senate action, and will not vote with a RW thug like Trump around 60% of the time, which Sinema (as did Manchin) did in the 115th Congress.
Unless Manchin and Sinema are playing Olympian level bluffing games, we are headed for massive, systemically sustained trouble.
Coventina
(27,115 posts)but I understand your feeling.
Indyfan53
(473 posts)Anyone in our party who betrays us needs to be called out.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Wish du would make an exception regarding Manchin and Sinema
Why because they are frustrating the hell out of people.
Duers are watching this and need to speak out honestly about it and how it makes us feel.
MasonDreams
(756 posts)Why are we fighting over 25 or 28% When, in Eisenhower's day and all the way up to Regan it was 70%. Regan dropped it to 35%.
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)He will consign the us to the flames with this hapless, thoughtless pose.
I am ashamed of him, as an American.
scardycat
(169 posts)JohnSJ
(92,187 posts)need Manchin and Sinema in the Senate, and maintaining the majority in the House
In the meantime we will get the infrastructure bill through reconciliation, and other bills that we can accomplish with additional reconciliation bills, that will build us the support we need to win seats in 2022, along with appointing as many justices as we can