Important! Please Help!

[H2O Man]

To the DU community: Below please find two links -- one for mental health professionals, one for the general public -- demanding that Dr. Bandy Lee be reinstated at Yale University. Dr. Lee was fired for her efforts to educate the American public on the dangers that Donald Trump posed to this country, including her most recent, must-read book, "Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul."

In 2020, I did a series of three interviews with Dr. Lee that I posted on this forum. In the first, we discussed the specific personality features that made Trump a dangerous president. The second focused on how Trump was tearing the nation apart. In the third, we provided a discussion predicting January 6. I am currently working on another interview.

I am hoping that community members will not only sign the petition, but will share it with family, friends, neighbors and co-workers, in support of Dr. Bandy Lee. Thank you in advance for your support on this important issue. I will be sending Dr. Lee a link to this OP/thread, so please feel free to express your support for her to read in the comments.

For professionals:
https://worldmhc.org/a-petition-to-yale-to-reinstate-dr-bandy-lee/?fbclid=IwAR1x_mk70o7pZT9Xfr88TQCyBQKpDr2-zMNjnnUAFmx-ZSHfWwNAv7Lf2n8

General public:
https://www.change.org/p/yale-university-yale-unfairly-fires-asian-american-for-speaking-the-truth-we-demand-her-reinstatement?recruiter=1192507885&recruited_by_id=7d1dfa30-9b8e-11eb-b5bf-3f8671c0072e&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard

Peace,
H2O Man

[AnotherMother4Peace]

1. Thank you Dr. Lee for your love of this country, and your courage.

[H2O Man]

4. Thank you!

Dr. Lee is the bravest person I have had the honor of knowing.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

2. Dr Lee thanks

Signed the petition.

[H2O Man]

6. Thanks, Friend!

Much appreciated!

[Me.]

3. Done

[H2O Man]

11. Thanks!

I remember Malcolm X saying that he could measure how well he was doing, based upon how loudly his opposition squeeled.

[secondwind]

5. Done!

[H2O Man]

14. Thank you!

As an old white guy, I'm getting tired of other old white guys trying to silence women. They need to just cut it out.

[Canoe52]

7. Signed!

[H2O Man]

17. Thanks!

We really appreciate it!

It's curious: none of the opposition is claiming that Dr. Lee is wrong in what she says -- no calls for public discussion and debate of the important issues she raises -- they just want to force her to be silent.

[littlemissmartypants]

8. Done!! ❤ Kick. nt

[H2O Man]

18. Thank you!

At a time when the opposition is actively trying to silence Dr. Lee and prevent public discussions of urgent issues, I surely do appreciate your support on this!

[littlemissmartypants]

60. You're welcome! Thanks for the reply!

Kickity, Kick!

❤

[H2O Man]

106. In the past few weeks,

I've been networking with a large number of friends and associates that I've coordinated with over the last 50 years. This includes some people that I haven't had much -- if any -- contact with in decades. Two who have been university professors are focused on getting groups from colleges and universities to issue statements supporting Dr. Lee. And others are focused on the teachers unions at public schools.

At the same time I coordinate with them, and am sending the "professional" link to old co-workers, my primary focus remains on the grass roots. This strange life I am experiencing has convinced me that it is at the grass roots level that I am most likely to encounter people with a healthy sense of justice. And for exactly that reason, it is my honor to talk with you! And so again, I thank you.

[littlemissmartypants]

112. Awwwe. That's sweet, H2O Man. Thanks bunches. I admire your tenacity and

Your steadfast devotion to social justice.

❤

[ananda]

9. Done.. happily.

!!!

[H2O Man]

21. Thank you!

Much appreciated!

[berniesandersmittens]

10. K&R

[H2O Man]

22. Thank you!

Much appreciated!

[BobTheSubgenius]

12. Happy to do it.

Peace to you as well, Water Guy.

[BobTheSubgenius]

19. I'm sorry I couldn't donate more.

My wife and I lost our monthly subsidy which bolstered my pension, and she has no pension. We are now on a very austere budget.

[H2O Man]

25. Thanks, Bob!

I like, respect, and appreciate the professional support that Dr. Lee gets. But I love the support of those at the grass roots level, especially so when those who have experienced the hell of recent times in a variety of ways. And each and every donation counts!

( I, too, find my current economic status as unpleasant. At my age, I try to accept that I will always have bills for things I need. Their total is a series of ever-changing digits, at times higher, at times lower. )

[BobTheSubgenius]

53. It's a sad fact of life, especially later life.

We get more fearful of things, possibly because we've seen enough instances of what CAN happen. I still have a lot of equity in our house (100%, and in a ridiculously hot market), but we have to live somewhere.

[H2O Man]

67. Right.

I am most concerned for the younger generations. I'm not happy with the world being left to them.

I tend to view Dr. Lee and Malcolm Nance on the direction our country was headed under Trump, and the dangers the cult continues to pose. Good people doing good things -- including signing this petition -- is the antidote for the alt-right illness.

[gibraltar72]

13. Did.

[H2O Man]

31. Thanks!

Much appreciated!

[FakeNoose]

15. Done K & R

351 signed so far - trying to get 500 names on petition.

[H2O Man]

32. Thank you!

It's interesting to notice that those seeking to silence and punish Dr. Lee have connections to the violence of January 6.

[spanone]

16. Yes! K&R

Thank You H2O Man

[H2O Man]

34. Thanks, spanone!

The struggle continues!

[PETRUS]

20. Done.

I thought her dismissal was a travesty. Thanks for providing a way for me to express that!

[H2O Man]

35. Thank you!

"Travesty" is a perfect word for this situation. I think that a lot of people have wanted to express our support of Dr. Lee. I'm glad that I am able to provide these links, and have folks share the message in their circles.

[piddyprints]

23. Done.

Thanks.

[H2O Man]

36. Thanks, piddyprints!

Much appreciated!

I like to think of Senator Robert F. Kennedy's 1966 speech in South Africa, where he spoke about each action causing a ripple, and those ripples joining to become a powerful wave.

[SergeStorms]

24. Absolutely!

When they fire you for alerting the world to a dangerous and ignorant man, it's time to step up to the plate and help out.

Thanks for the alert, H2O Man.

[H2O Man]

37. Much appreciated, SergeStorms!

Thank you for stepping up to the plate!

[demmiblue]

27. Buh-bye!

[H2O Man]

38. Seems I'm too late

to see what our beast fiend had to say!

[TheRickles]

28. This is what you write for your first post on DU??? I don't think you're going to like it here.

[H2O Man]

39. A short stay at DU,

it appears.

Was it something I said in the OP they disagreed with ? (grin)

[TheRickles]

65. The comment was along the lines of "liberal Democrats getting their come-uppance".

I pressed my mental "Delete" button after posting my response, and - lo and behold! - it actually worked. I can no longer remember what that poster said.

[H2O Man]

68. Thanks!

I think the poor fellow has too much time on his hands.

More, I am always interested in and happy to participate in meaningful discussions on "free speech" and related Amendment 1 issues. I'd prefer that such discussions be made in respectful ways, and in appropriate forums. DU is not the place for our visitor. But I thank him for providing an example of the anti-Dr. Lee mentality.

[babylonsister]

74. I alerted on that scalliwag.

He was going on about how hypocritical Dems were; figured he'd ventured onto the wrong board.

[H2O Man]

104. Well thank you!

I can't think of a single instance where either Dr. Lee or I have ever attempted to silence any person.

[TheRickles]

29. Thanks for the links, H20 Man. I've been wondering how to weigh in on this issue.

ps - With a title like "Please help!", I assumed you needed help with your upcoming move. I'm impressed with how many balls you can juggle at once!

[H2O Man]

51. Thanks, TheRickles!

I've felt like I've been moving in slow motion lately. But, as Rubin Carter used to remind me, with patience, the smallest being can climb the highest mountain. And there is a mountain of work waiting ahead!

[lunatica]

30. Signed and kicked

[H2O Man]

52. Thank you lunatica!

Much appreciated!

[calimary]

33. Signed.

[H2O Man]

54. Thanks, calimary!

[ancianita]

40. Done.

according to the widely recognized "1940 Statement on Academic Freedom and Tenure" of the American Association of University Professors, teachers should be careful to avoid controversial matters that are unrelated to the subject discussed. When they speak or write in public, they are free to express their opinions without fear from institutional censorship or discipline, but they should show restraint and clearly indicate that they are not speaking for their institution.[3] Academic tenure protects academic freedom by ensuring that teachers can be fired only for causes such as gross professional incompetence or behavior that evokes condemnation from the academic community itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom

I assume she didn't have tenure?

[H2O Man]

70. Thanks!

I think she was at Yale for 17 years. However, in the bit you provided above, I'd note that Dr. Lee always was sure to say that her efforts were not connected with Yale.

I am hoping to be able to ask questions about some of the factors beyond Yale that are involved.

[ancianita]

76. Thanks for the info.

I hope you can get to the bottom of this attack on academic freedom. Good lord, Yale, with its racist founder taint, no less.

[TheRickles]

77. Any ideas on how Dershowitz was able to have so much influence on the folks at Yale?

[H2O Man]

105. Great question.

First, I think it is important to say that it goes well beyond Dershowitz. He was just the dickhead, and his threat was just the excuse to do what others had been pressuring Yale to do. Second, I think it is best if I have Dr. Lee provide as many details as she and the legal team are comfortable with at this time, in the next interview. Once lawyers are involved, I've always made it a practice to be careful of what I say publicly. But to put it into context, you will recall that when the first book -- "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" -- came out, Bandy was frequently interviewed on television.And all of a sudden, those interviews stopped. And further news-worthy events were ignored.

That was, by no coincidence, when my series of interviews began. After all, I come from a line of "hedge masters" from the Old Sod, back when educating the Irish was illegal in their own land. And, if I do say so myself, those interviews included a number of questions that couldn't be asked by polite interviewers on television.

Your question is the key. I hope that we are able to provide a fuller answer to it soon.

[TheRickles]

127. It wouldn't shock me if there's an Epstein angle to this.

Maybe those who are pulling Dershowitz's strings also have the goods on a Yale higher-up or two. We're looking forward to hearing about your interviews.

[Hekate]

41. Kick

[H2O Man]

71. Thanks, Hekate!

I just heard back from Dr. Lee. She likes this OP/thread.

When the DU community harnesses its strength, it is capable of great things.

[tblue37]

42. K&R for visibility. nt

[H2O Man]

72. Thank you!

[malaise]

43. K & R n/t

[H2O Man]

73. Thank you, Sister Malaise!

Since it's a cool, rainy day here, keeping me from the garden, I'm making good use of the time. Hope all is well your way!

[malaise]

75. Very well my brother

despite the Covid and the lock downs

[bdamomma]

44. Done

and completed. Thank you H2O Man for posting.

[H2O Man]

84. Thank you bdamomma!

I'm glad to bring the petitions to DU!

[hay rick]

45. Done, with pleasure.

[H2O Man]

85. Thanks hay rick!

[NBachers]

46. Done, and sent the professional link to my Doctor of Psychology brother.

[H2O Man]

86. Very good!

I really appreciate it Nbachers! I'm sending it along to a number of old co-workers, too.

[PWPippinesq]

47. I signed the petition

and donated $24 signifying my birthdate and the day in October that I will be taking back my maiden name at the age of 79.

[H2O Man]

87. Thank you very much!

I get annoyed when a bunch of old men try to silence one of my friends. This was a cowardly attack on a very strong woman, though. Their error in thinking if they believe they can stop her from speaking.

[Native]

48. Done

[H2O Man]

88. Thank you, Native!

I appreciate it!

[KPN]

49. Done ... nt

[H2O Man]

89. Thank you!

[Granny M]

50. Done. nt

[H2O Man]

90. Thanks, Granny M!!!!

[Wild blueberry]

55. Thank you, Dr. Lee, for helping us mightily during the Dreadful Years

Dr. Lee helped educate us and not remain in denial about what we faced. I am grateful for your work.
Thank you, H2O Man for posting this. Signed!

[H2O Man]

91. Really well said!

Dr. Lee's voice is so important.

[mnhtnbb]

56. Just finished reading her most recent book

and signed the petition.

[H2O Man]

107. Thank you!

What did you think of the book? I am blown away by it. I've been recommending to others that it is essential reading at this time.

[mnhtnbb]

126. I was married for 33 years to a psychiatrist and

psychoanalyst, which provided a rich environment for many discussions about people and their behaviors.

I read the book she edited when it first came out. No surprises there. I had been so disturbed by the idea of Trump becoming president that I told my husband that if he won, he would destroy the country and that we should consider getting out.

That's a long story for another time. I was ready to go , but he wasn't. I'm now a widow and thanks to circumstances and then Covid, still here.

Trump came damn close. People's behavior can be predicted.

[H2O Man]

130. When Trump "won,"

my daughters would journey through the hamlets in Ireland that my family had come to the US from, looking for a suitable cottage for me to re-locate to. My sons would remind me of Rubin Carter's telling us to move to Canada a decade earlier, noting that the US was facing a crisis in the near future.

I agree that people's behaviors can be predicted -- from the individual to group behaviors.

[sarchasm]

57. done and kicked nt

[H2O Man]

108. Thanks, sarchasm!

Much appreciated! And I can say that Dr. Lee is enjoying this OP/thread, and appreciates all the support!

[Ferrets are Cool]

58. Done

[H2O Man]

110. Thank you!

[yonder]

59. Added one more.

[H2O Man]

111. Thank you, Friend Yonder!

[panfluteman]

61. When Mary Trump Subtitled Her Book "How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man"

She really wasn't kidding around. All of America's guardian angels must have been working overtime to get Trump sidelined to the extent that he now is, but the work of marginalizing and discrediting him is far from over. Just think - Trump has spent his whole life carefully studying the intricate mechanisms of demagoguery, but even more than that, subconsciously, his whole personality was absolutely driven by a deep victimization complex, a desire to get even with the world, a confrontive and divisive personality that cannot acknowledge the possibility of true cooperation and sharing or the needs of anyone other than himself, and an amazing ability to lie, lie, lie, and deny, deny, deny, and to blame, blame, blame, projecting all responsibility for everything out onto others, and never accepting any responsibility himself. It seemed for all the world that Trump is genuinely incapable of telling the truth - ever.

What's even more scary has been how attractive and seductive the whole siren call of fascism has been for our nation, and how Donald Trump successfully maneuvered himself into a position of power and authority in which few, if any, were willing to stand up to him. Republican Senators like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz went overnight from being vocal critics of Trump to being his sycophantic lap dogs - like, what the HECK is going on here? They seemed to be kind of like the pod people in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

And within all of this context, the bravery and heroism of Dr. Bandy Lee is truly remarkable. After all, she could have just hidden behind the Goldwater Rule, as did so many others in her profession.

[SergeStorms]

64. Don't forget...

Trump has been groomed as a Russian asset for quite some time. When you have the full support of Russian intelligence, and the personal attention of Vladimir Putin to guide you, you can turn into the strongest force against democracy in a hurry. They appealed to Trump's vanity, and their most precious asset was in place and ready to go. Throw in interference on Facebook, Twitter etc. and turning right-wing Americans into drooling Trump-Nazis was a breeze.

We were damn lucky we still had a free press.

[H2O Man]

114. Exactly!

The news regarding Manafort & fiend this week documented the Putin effort to promote his puppet Donald. I do not think that people realize that was just one small part of what the intelligence agencies knew, but that could not be included in the Mueller Report. It is a rot that went deep into our social-political system, and included Russian funds being laundered through the NRA (and more) for rabid right-wing republicans. And the truth is, similar funding continues through other cut-outs.

Many thanks for your timely reminder!

[H2O Man]

113. Powerful!

You nailed it! Outstanding!

Dr. Lee is as brave and honorable a person as I have ever known. They are attacking the wrong lady, if they think they can intimidate her.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

62. Done

[H2O Man]

115. Thank you!

And your name surely caught my eye -- along with the profile picture of a great Irishman! It raises a question in my mind: are you referencing the four ravens, or the gardener? Or both?

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

129. It's the

feminine form of an old Irish Gaelic family name, Mac Fiachra, from SW Galway.

Mac, or Mc, means "son of". Mac Fiachra - Son of Fiachra

Nic or Ni, means "daughter of". Ni Fiachra - Daughter of Fiachra

[7wo7rees]

63. The 7wo7ree fam is on board!!

Dr. Lee and her colleagues provided invaluable information and for her to be fired is an outrage!!

"Do no harm" and if they had stayed silent, then in their silence would have been complicit. She led the charge in warning this country the danger we were all in!!

Thank you also, H2O, always!!
Ms. 7wo7rees

[H2O Man]

116. Thank you so much!

And you are exactly right -- we are in danger -- and it would be an error to think the threat of the Trump cult has passed. It's here, and we will continue to see it play out for some time, even in the best case scenario.

[StrictlyRockers]

66. signed kicked and rec'd

[H2O Man]

117. Thank you!

And might I add that I listen to strictly rock music while engaging on the internet. Playing the Plastic Ono Band in the background now.

[ms liberty]

69. Done. K&R. n/t

[H2O Man]

118. Thanks!

I always appreciate your contributions on the DU forum!

[live love laugh]

78. ✔️✔️

[H2O Man]

119. Thank you!

[Useless in FL]

79. Done!

[H2O Man]

120. Thank you!

I want to change your name to "Useful in FL." I appreciate your help!

[mountain grammy]

80. Done

[H2O Man]

121. Thanks, Friend Mountain Grammy!

Much appreciated!

[mountain grammy]

128. I threw in a few bucks too because right now I can..(Thanks Joe)

We've got to stick together. Like we said in my union days.. United we bargain, divided we beg.

Tired of begging.

[Saoirse9]

81. Done!

I think I accidentally signed the professional one a few days ago. I signed the regular people one today.

[H2O Man]

122. Thank you!

That's curious -- my Little Sister did the exact same thing.

Dr. Lee is enjoying the thread!

[Saoirse9]

124. LOL not so little anymore

Anyway I am delighted that Bandy enjoys the support. She's the bravest woman I know.

Just rocked me to learn that Dershowitz the perv was responsible for losing her job.

The country is upside down right now, trying hard to right itself.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

82. Done, and gladly! ♥

[H2O Man]

123. Thank you, Peggy!

I think all eight of my children's ears got sore listening to me vent after Yale fired Dr. Lee. All four of them kept saying, "You know what to do, Old Man. Now get busy." This has given me significantly more energy than I've had in some time.

[BigmanPigman]

83. Done!

[H2O Man]

131. Thanks BigmanPigman!

[McKim]

92. Yes!!!!! Very Very Important!

Yes, very very important. My friend who is a psychiatrist of the highest ethical standards, supports her. Glad to see this opportunity here! Thanks for posting, H20 Man!

[H2O Man]

132. Thank you!

All of my former co-workers from the clinic I worked at support Dr. Lee. And they are impressed with how brave she is.

I'm happy to have had the opportunity to share this with the DU community.

[c-rational]

93. Done!

[H2O Man]

133. Thank you!

Much appreciated!

[MartyTheGreek]

94. Signed...

I was so disgusted on Jan 6th I signed off Fake Book that day and only came back on yesterday for the first time! Several of my .mil magas seem to be posting lists of fake facts about topics against President Biden. Suddenly, they are into facts these days! Talk about fake!

Thanks for doing this!

[H2O Man]

134. Thanks, Marty!

Good to see you back!

It is important that people keep the memory of January 6 fresh. And not just because it is so closely related to Dr. Lee's being fired, but because that same threat she warned of is still real and present.

[summer_in_TX]

95. Thank you for alerting us to this injustice

She not only does not deserve to be fired, she deserves to be honored for her principled dedication to raising awareness about the danger Trump's abnormal psychological traits posed our democracy.

I feel sure that her work will be studied and honored by future professionals in the field.

Punishing her professionally will make it harder for the profession to take action in perilous times. Yale should be ashamed of itself!

[H2O Man]

135. Very well said!

The forces behind Dr. Lee's being fired are clearly looking to not only punish her for having the audacity to tell the Truth, but to intimidate others who might speak up.

[Disaffected]

96. Before considering signing,

I would be interested to know what reasons were given by Yale for the firing.

[H2O Man]

136. That's fine.

No one should sign this or anything like it, unless they know the issues involved. For those who are unaware of Dr. Lee's actions during the Trump years, and have not read or watched the news reporting on her firing, the internet provides the best option for a crash course. Let us know what you think after studying the background issues.

[Disaffected]

147. That's fine too,

I'll get right on it...

[Cozmo]

97. Thanks, always glad to stand up for what is right

[H2O Man]

137. Thanks Cozmo!

Much appreciated!

[burrowowl]

98. Signed!

[H2O Man]

138. Thank you, my Friend!

[panader0]

99. Done.

Thanks Waterman

[H2O Man]

139. Thanks!

I'm glad to have posted this, and had such strong support! and Dr. Lee is enjoying this thread, too!

[Luciferous]

100. Done

[H2O Man]

140. Thank you!

Much appreciated!

[Lochloosa]

101. Done!

[H2O Man]

141. Thanks!

[Heartstrings]

102. Done.......nt

[H2O Man]

142. Thank you Heartstrings!

[Liberal In Texas]

103. Done. Kick. n/t

[H2O Man]

143. Thank you!

[BornADemocrat]

109. Signed

[H2O Man]

144. Thanks!

[Pinback]

125. Signed. Many thanks to Dr. Lee.

I applaud her courageous decision to warn America and the world of the clear and present danger Trump posed. Yale should have supported her rather than ousting her.

[H2O Man]

145. Thanks Pinback!

[brooklynite]

146. What is "signing" an internet petition going to accomplish?