Mitt Romney. The Most Vile Lie of All.

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Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 04:33 AM PDT
Mitt Romney. The Most Vile Lie of All.
by LaFeminista

This is not a mere pants on fire lie.

“We don’t have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, ‘Tough luck, you’re going to die when you have your heart attack,’  ” he said as he offered more hints as to what he would put in place of “Obamacare,” which he has pledged to repeal.

“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.”

This is as heartless and disgusting a lie as is possible

From a Harvard study

The lack of health insurance is associated with as many as 44789 deaths per year in the United States

Or more simply put 1000 deaths for every one million uninsured each year.

So every year we refuse to accept the concept of universal health care, as every other civilized country has applied, this unnecessary death toll mounts. The right scream about the right to life and pro-life, yet this simple idea eludes them.

When you talk about repealing Obamacare in its entirety.

When you talk about eliminating planned parenthood.

You are condemning people to death.

You are condemning people to needless pain and misery.

You are creating millions of grieving relatives.

You are condemning people to economic oblivion.

This goes beyond mere political "untruth" and enters into the world of criminal negligence.

The reality is people are dying every day because the most expensive health care system in the world does not work. This health care system bleeds the economy dry and it destroys lives.

It is time that the politics of division ended and the reality of this nightmare laid bare. It is time for a health care system that serves all Americans.

So FU Mitt Romney and your disgusting lies.

5:01 AM PT: H/T to this addition in the comments

It's not only his most vile lie- (2+ / 0-)

it's also his most irresponsible. He told a national audience that if they use the ER for medical care, they won't have to pay for it. Too many people already believe that, and are shocked when the bills and collection notices arrive.

Spreading that lie is a great way to put even more people on the path to bankruptcy.

by gramofsam1 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:58:27 PM CEST

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14/1144369/-Mitt-Romney-The-Vile-Lie-of-All

[WinkyDink]

1. ER's do NOT "care" for: cancer; diabetes; eye diseases; internal organ diseases; etc. Mitt's remark

was the uncaring off-handedness of the cruel.

[CBHagman]

27. And dental care.

Deamonte Driver, a young boy in the Washington, D.C., area, died of an infection that might have been prevented if he'd had the affected tooth removed in time.

[lonestarnot]

2. Eeeeeevil Bastard!

[CabCurious]

3. When talking to conservative friends, cite Jesus on this matter...

I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat.
I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink.
I was a stranger and you did not invite me in.
I needed clothes and you did not clothe me.
I was sick and you did not look after me.

This is the very essence of where our civil society and democracy continues to fall short of its ideals.

[shireen]

43. what socialist said that?

[tavalon]

68. The only socialist in my pantheon

But we both know who we're talking about. And it isn't supply side Jesus.

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2003/09/The-Gospel-Of-Supply-Side-Jesus.aspx

[bjobotts]

69. Democratic Socialism is Best

Since this is the only form of government which both ensures our Freedom and our Survival against those who would attempt to control life's necessities for profit and power...like water, air, energy, food, shelter and the control of pollution.

We are still able to vote and free to worship or not and start businesses etc but we join together in making sure everyone can share in making necessities available at cost for all. Just like libraries, police departments, fire departments, FDA, EPA. Public education etc...all socialist programs to ensure safe food and water. It works.

We should also have a 100% billionaire tax to curtail rampant greed. Just when is $999,000,000 not enough?

[shireen]

73. Bernie Sanders is my favorite elected official. eom.

[aquart]

78. Matthew 25:41-46

Which includes the part where they're going to Hell.

[porphyrian]

4. . n/t

[obxhead]

5. He fails to mention the bankruptcy involved before someone else picks up the tab.

I have a family friend that just had a heart attack without insurance. The second it struck, they were forced into bankruptcy.

[LuvNewcastle]

6. If a guy will tell such terrible lies just to be elected,

I shudder to think why he's so desperate to win office. Just what kind of evil does he have in store if he wins the office that he's lied so much to obtain?

[CBHagman]

28. That's an interesting angle on it...

Really, we can easily make the case to anyone, regardless of political leanings, why Romney ought not to be elected. It's because he'll trim his sails to the political winds, whether those in Massachusetts or the 2012 Republican Party.

By the way, LuvNewcastle, that's a great avatar.

[LuvNewcastle]

40. Thanks, I don't think there are many of us who know who that is.

[CBHagman]

53. Maybe those of us in the Classic Films group...

...and other movie buffs, as well as DUers of a certain age.

[red dog 1]

56. Classic Films group? and other movie buffs?

Last edited Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:08 AM - Edit history (2)

You mean it's not Jack Paar?
Damn, it sure looks like him!

Is it Robert Montgomery?
Peter Lorre?

Oh shit, don't tell me it's Hugh Downs!

[LuvNewcastle]

77. It's Peter Lorre.

I usually enjoy watching the more sinister characters in the movies, and I think Peter Lorre was the best actor for those roles. Unfortunately, however, he doesn't seem to be much remembered today. I encourage others to check him out.

[bocaoma]

52. what do you suppose romney will be doing after the election?

surely, this political hack's career will be over.............

[Whovian]

7. The man has absolutely no clue as to the realities of the real world.

[DiverDave]

8. I'm pretty sick right now, and have no insurence

I've had pneumonia twice and this feels like it again.
Since I got hurt on the job, they fired me and I lost our insurance.
Obviously, I dont think I'm going to die, but I DO hope I get better
So I dont have to put my family in debt.
So I'll call my doctor and see if he will call in some antibiotics,
I hope they are the 4 dollar kind.(fingers crossed)
If he wants to see me, I'll just not go,as we cant afford the doc visit.
I wish they could have kept me on just for the insurance.
I could afford to pay the group rate
but not the COBRA rate, that was 1560 a month.

The first time I had it it cost over 100K for ten days in the hospital.
Room and board were 35K alone.

[Lefta Dissenter]

20. I'm sorry, DiverDave

I hope you get the care you need.

[Ghost in the Machine]

21. "Since I got hurt on the job, they fired me and I lost our insurance."

That is illegal in most states. If you're going to be out for an extended period of time, they can replace you, but they CANNOT FIRE YOU for filing a claim!

Have you spoken with a good workers comp attorney? What State are you in?

I hope you get better..

Peace,

Ghost

[Flatulo]

42. It happened to me too...

Hi Ghost, how are you my friend?

I got canned for filing a short-term disability claim for my back. The company was forcing us to work 16 hour days for months, which absolutely ruined my back beyond repair. It got so bad I couldn't sleep and needed a walker to move. My back was in continuous spasm for months.

I went out on STD in May of 2011, and 4 weeks later I got a call from HR stating that I had been terminated. They told me that they needed to hire a replacement for me ASAP, but my friends who worked there told me they did not even interview anyone for the position.

I collected STD for six months, and then filed for Social Security disability, which thankfully I received after only a five month wait.

I've got a lawyer and we're filing a Workman's Comp claim, but it will take years to resolve. Being a salaried employee, there is no limit to the number of hours I can be asked (forced, of course) to work.

Bottom line, they do whatever the fuck they want, then try to wear you down in court, or wait until you (hopefully) die first.

[Ghost in the Machine]

59. Wow, that sucks! How do they get away with it?

Flatulo! Good to hear from you, my friend! I'm doing good here, thanks.

I went through a lot of BS with workers comp when I got hurt in 2003. I never hired a lawyer, until they started dicking me around and cut my benefits. All in all, it took me 2 major neck surgeries, and 3 years of my life, but the insurance company had to pay out in the end.

My lawyer advised against filing for disability until after the case was settled, saying that the disability payments could affect the amount of settlement monies.

It took another 3 years to get approved for disability, which was ridiculous in itself. My neurosurgeon finally wrote them a letter saying that I could never work again, in ANY capacity. I already had a court date set for a hearing with an administrative judge. A few weeks after my neuro wrote that letter, I got a letter from Social Security saying that they had reviewed my case again, and that I was approved now, no need to go to the hearing, which was still 2 1/2 months away...

Yeah, they can TRY to do whatever they want, but luckily I had a judge on my side, who forced them to reinstate my benefits, with full back pay, every time they dicked me around.

Hope all is well with you and yours, my friend...

Peace,

Ghost

[Flatulo]

60. I was surprised as you that one could be terminated while on STD, but

funnily enough, the STD insurer claims adjuster, who was actually a pretty decent person, told me that this company summarily fires *everyone* who they injure.

Anyway, I'm glad you finally received your SSDI benefit. Spinal problems are the gift that keeps on giving, eh? Wait until you get old!

Take care, brother.

[We People]

48. I'm so sorry this happened to you

My God, I do hope you will get better soon!

You are living proof that Obama has to win this election. It is a fight on behalf of people like you

[Ms. Toad]

62. If you have been without insurance for 6 months

Look into the high risk pools (part of Obamacare). Their rates are equivalent to group rates. The only conditions are that you have to have been denied insurance (or have a condition that would cause an insurance company to deny you (and repeat pneumonia might qualify - all sorts of things are considered pre-existing conditions), and have been without insurance for 6 months.

https://www.pcip.gov/

[DiverDave]

84. Sorry folks, I've been sleeping alot.

I am taking an antibiotic and a chest clearing over the counter pill.
Man, That works GOOD, as the stuff I'm bringing up are alot.
I can take a deeper breath then I could.
Thanks everyone.
Oh, I DO have a lawyer for my WC case:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002545793

When it rains it pours...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Romney being so out of touch with reality is much more damning than any number of flags at Sensata.

[nc4bo]

11. Hope you get an early morning pizza to enjoy with your coffee asswipe LMAO.

[beac]

17. Poor troll didn't even get a pizza....

but became a meal himself: "Troll. It's what's for breakfast."

Thanks, MIRT!

[red dog 1]

55. How many posts does this troll eatmyshorts40 have?

I don't think I've ever seen a 6-0 DU jury decision before.

[beac]

64. Two identical posts. Both hidden 6-0.

Signed up today at 9:20 and chomped into little troll bits by 10am.

[red dog 1]

71. Thanks for that! ......."And chomped into little troll bits by 10 am.."........

....and then reformed into a brand new troll, with a new user-name...ready to go back up on the Internet and post more inflammatory pro-Romney bullshit!

[beac]

74. Trolls are delicious any time of day!

And, lucky for us, our MIRT team kitchen is always open.

[Tigress DEM]

58. TROLL. It's what's for breakfast. CLASSIC! CLASSIC! nt

[lastlib]

83. I like 'em 'cause they're crunchy!

and taste good with ketchup!

[RadiationTherapy]

15. Drink more coffee. You are way too chill.

hahahahahaha. Shouting and screaming is always a sign of confidence. haahhahaha

[salinen]

16. So you read DiverDave's thread

hilarious huh? Ryan assures us that people 55 and older haven't anything to worry about. I'm 55, and I have plenty to worry about: everyone under 55. You wouldn't understand because you enjoy other suffering, but for normal humans, this is difficult. Ryan/Romney see the only human value is their ability to work. They want everyone over 55 to be happy and fuck under 55er's. Why would I want to join the sociopathic group that includes you?

Maybe you'll get sick or injured. That'll wipe that smile off your face.

[renate]

49. doesn't that "don't worry if you're over 55" sum up his way of thinking?

Does he really think that people don't care about anybody else as long as they've got theirs? What--other than his history of shipping jobs overseas, not paying US taxes, telling people to get all their "free" medical care from the ER, blithely advising students to borrow thousands of dollars from their parents, etc--could be a clearer indication of the self-centered way he thinks?

[salinen]

63. They're trying to tap

the crowd who like violence and who have no empathy. What a fucked up demographic to appeal to.

[liberal N proud]

12. What is the first thing they ask when you go to the ER?

What insurance do you have?

I had to rush my father to the ER a couple of years ago, I had to stop by admissions and take care of insurance before they would really make any decisions on what care they would administer.

[SHRED]

13. The President must call him out on this Tuesday night

Among many others.

[mgardener]

14. It matters

It matters if you have health insurance
It doesn't matter WHERE you die if you Don't.

Laugh loudly at romney and ryan. They are not worthy of being our leaders.

[DhhD]

18. Romney has linked himself to the Final Solution in Hitler's Nazi world takeover.

The Final Solution was a way of exterminating every member of a society of human beings (Jews) that could not work as slaves. Every baby, child, and adult that could not work over 12 hours a day was exterminated. The unhealthy ones died on the way to the gas chambers. No insurance means no follow up care after going to the emergency room. It takes time to transfer all of your belongings and bank accounts over to the State that you live in so that you can move to Medicaid and get follow up care. Usually it takes 2 months to get an appointment after becoming bankrupt. Becoming bankrupt means selling everything you have, to pay for the initial ER Bills. That is thousands and thousands of dollars. Fastest way is to sign your property over to the State.

No other country in the world treats its citizens like this. Voting for the GOP in the country is destroying it. This is a good example of a Trickle-Up economy.

It is apparent to me, that some of these states that have turned down Medicaid under the ACA are in the business of taking the property and bank accounts of the newly uninsured. Most of these states have GOP governors and mainly TEA Legislators.

Romney is covering for this Trickle-Up with the lie he told.

[mwooldri]

19. If Charles Dickens was alive..

Willard Mitt Romney would replace Ebenezer Scrooge IMO.

[Ikonoklast]

35. Scrooge was salvageable, as he had once been human.

And his basic humanity was redeemed after he remembered that in the end, the only thing we really have is each other.

You could never convince Romney that there is anything more important than the acquisition of money.

Never.


If you asked Romney to either give up every penny he had, or never see one family member ever again, he would hesitate to answer.

[NICO9000]

61. He'd pick the $$$ since he believes he'll get his own planet when he croaks

And all of his family is supposed to be there with him! However, I think the husband has to call his wife's (or wives's) names or else they can't live on the planet. Great, eh?

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Mitt and the rest of the GOP bastids could care less if you're bankrupt.

Or if the United States of America is bankrupt. What they care about is themselves.

[lastlib]

30. hey, where's your heart at? Aren't corporate profits more important than people's lives??

[Hubert Flottz]

31. My old heart has lots of battle scars, but

it beats on, for the country we learned about long ago in Civics Class.

[jackbenimble]

23. Oh WOW

I didn't realize that if I need a liver transplant in the future to save my life I can just show up at any ER and they will take care of that for me for free. Wow, that sure makes my life a lot less stressful. :/

[DhhD]

38. My friend decided to die of liver cancer instead of bankrupting her family.

The true health care plan of the GOP is the extermination of those with preexisting conditions. That includes everyone over 27 years old, all minor children and anyone seeking medical care for any reason. The only PEOPLE wanted in the GOP Plan are the Corporations and Mittrobots.

[TwilightGardener]

24. I can't wrap my brain around the fact that he thinks the uninsured don't

ever receive hospital bills for emergency treatment. Why would anyone have insurance then, if it's "paid for" by government or charity, as he says? WTF?

[RC]

32. Reality is not their long suit. Neither is logic.

[plethoro]

25. Makes me so mad, it's hard to speak. I've been doing volunteer work at a large Alzheimers

hospital reorganizing their supply rooms. The poor residents don't know whether they are on foot or horseback most of the time. They are a wretched lot in pain a great deal of the time. Half of the people pay the freight on this place by insurance, which if they did not have would put them under a freeway overpass or in a nursing home somewhere. And I watch these liars, Romney and Ryan, and I am so disgusted I could puke. An America with these two assholes in charge won't last long. Unfortunately, there are not enough Johnny Tremaynes around to take them out. Now, the Black Hills militia will hit them hard during the implosion, but will groups like this be enough? Pray Obama wins the election or, sports fans, it is approximately over.

[SoapBox]

26. Mittens, YOU make me sick.

[lastlib]

29. Tell that to my sister, Willard..oh, wait, you can't--she's DEAD, b/c she couldn't get insurance....

...to cover her for her PRE-EXISTING CONDITION! (cancer)

you fucking lying filthy dung-heap! and the elephants you rode in on!

[Hubert Flottz]

33. I love your attitude and

I'm sorry about your sister.

[kansasobama]

34. As we and Obama-Axelrod sleep, Romney is cleverly manipulating college kids and it is working!

Hello:

As a staunch Democrat, I want to be the constructive critic and I hope someone is reading this.

Romney has been clever and he is throwing this to college kids: "I do not make promises that cannot be kept. I cannot promise you education support, what I can tell you is I will create jobs for you after college."

How clever? And college kids are falling for this crap. Colorado movement and Iowa movement towards Romney (and also NH) is attributed to this. But, as usual, Axelrod is slow.

Folks, if kids cannot get educated, they won't get those good jobs. It is sound business to send jobs abroad or invite foreign students who are better, if this happens. That is what business demands. Why are kids falling for a trap? Why are they so attracted to a policy that ensures a bad future for them? Kids, you are forgoing your right to education with tax cuts for Koch brothers who do not need this. Guys, if I am a businessman, I cannot hire kids from the country. Why? They are shooting themselves by voting against their own interests and getting worthless education (or no education). Why?

Please vote Obama-Biden. An interconnected world needs a good balance that includes talents from here and overseas working together. We need exchange of ideas. That is how the world prospers. Why are our kids shooting their own future. People in rural Kansas keep voting against their own interests and every GOP plan is hurting them. They do not care. Please help swing state voters to wake up! How can these kids vote for a man who was mocking the rise in ocean levels? Who will vote for a man who defies science. Only us? Not rest of the world, Europe and others! WAKE UP!

[Ikonoklast]

36. My three college kids and their SO's all think Romney/Ryan are lying assholes.

I guess there are stupid, gullible college kids, too, after all, look at the Young Republicans that all dream of becoming the next Karl Rove.

They have no core values, except the pursuit of earning Big Money while shillling for the Oligarchs.

[renate]

50. thank you

I didn't know Romney was making a pitch like this. It sounds logical and reasonable; I can see why they're falling for it, even though his overseeing of shipping jobs to China is the exact opposite of what he's promising to do.

[bkurth]

37. Slippery Mitt...

is a disgusting heartless dick. No lie is too egregious.

[hootinholler]

39. IIRC he implied the law requires treatment...

It does not require treatment, it requires the patient to be stabilized. Once that is achieved, the hospital can discharge the patient, and many private hospitals will.

[reusrename]

41. There are no limits to the depths of their depravity.

This is just a bad con job, nothing more.

[Auntie Bush]

44. And then more people end up on welfare and food stamps and they

lose their piece of mind with bill collectors harassing them endlessly....day and night.
They also lose their credit and can't borrow money or buy any big ticket items. Life's a bitch...so it Romney and his H20 boy. (Wow!..."H20 Boy" describes him perfectly)

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

45. Brush up on your physics!

There is an alternative reality at work here.

[world wide wally]

46. Only ONE thing matters to Republicans

As Grover Norquist said. (Paraphrasing) "It doesn't matter what Romney says or believes. He will sign whatever legislation we put in front of him"
The ONLY object here is not to be humane, factual, patriotic, or even coherent. It is ONLY to get elected.

[young_at_heart]

47. He said this at CPAC earlier this year---truly frightening!!

"All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate."

[Blanks]

51. Joe brought up Grover. I hope we hear more about his shenanigans before the election. eom

[MFM008]

54. I had a medical emergency for my son

he was no longer covered by my insurance. He had an ear infection. The hospital did wave the $600.00 in fees due to my income, BUT there were seperate charges from the Dr and his billing in CA. That was $250.00 I HAD to pay , they would not wave the fee. Now the hospital fee would have been hell to pay on top of it BUT when you dont have the money it doesnt matter what it is.
All the Dr did was look in his ear and mouth.
$$250 an hour is some job, but $250 for 10 minutes is golden.

[Quantess]

57. He is out of touch.

He has no idea.

[freshwest]

65. + 1,000,000. Every word.

[tavalon]

66. I'm a nurse and I used to work in an ED

This is an abomination. Much like the person who spake it.

[King_Klonopin]

75. King Klonopin is also an RN, and this is a copy of a post I made RE: this vomit

What I find truly amazing

is that Mitty thinks it perfectly acceptable for hospitals to
pay the bill for providing "free care" (there's no such thing, BTW)
for the unfortunate, uninsured person who needs help. He sees
absolutely nothing wrong in this scenario.

For him, it is a far better alternative than using tax dollars
to provide universal health care insurance for all Americans,
or driving up HIS taxes a couple hundred dollars in order to care
for those lazy, deadbeat 47% who feel "entitled" to a longer life.

Uninsured people can't afford medication for high blood pressure,
insulin for diabetes, inhalers for COPD, etc., or to pay the full cost of
medications out-of-pocket. (one of my medications would cost
$270/month out-of-pocket!) Before they seek medical treatment,
the uninsured typically wait until they become so severely sick that
they must go to the local ER, which -- unlike Mitt -- is morally and
legally obligated to treat the sick.

It doesn't take a genius to surmise that these conditions will
result in a shorter life span for those without insurance and an
untenable financial burden for those who provide "free care".
-- BUT it takes a self-centered, cold-hearted, slimy fuckhead to
deny that these conditions exist and to pretend that all is well.

It also helps reduce the surplus population.


King Klonopin RN

[tavalon]

80. nights like last night, Klonopin seems, well, reasonable

Better than pile driving my insane charge nurse who is BFF with the manager.

[flyguyjake]

67. The uninsured cost us $49 Billion in 2011. Where's that in the media? Why isn't that in an Obama ad?

[SunSeeker]

70. Mitt is a one-man death panel.

[JAbuchan08]

72. I completely agree

Obama seemed fine to me. The whole "Obama lost" thing gets way overplayed. In my view he won.

One demographic which believed Obama won, by a wide margin, was online gamers.

I might be stretching somewhat but I think this is because they generally have very analytical minds. I'm sure many of them were able to contextualize what Mitt was saying with what they already knew and felt that Obama was the better performer. Also I'm guessing they saw through Mitt's bullying and blustering. I read an article on Slate that suggested that Obama was an introvert, and I sympathized.

As an introvert you're attempting to deal with a louder more aggressive world that sometimes attempts to steamroll your careful consideration. A lot of people don't appreciate that, therefore the perception that Obama lost.

Having said that I still think Obama should have countered that "my five boys" line or Romney's implying Obama was dishonest. Only thing in the debate performance that really bugged me.

Obama has another debate performance coming up and now that Romney has shown his cards Obama can pounce. No need to be pugnacious, he can instead be pointed.

[Freddie]

76. Posted this on FB

One of my RWNJ "friends" replied -- "classic leftie bullshit"
What??!!! I have no quick comeback to that one. Of course this person has been on Medicare for years.
There are some people just too stupid/brainwashed for words. I just pray that we outnumber them.

[Dustlawyer]

79. The really telling thing is Rmoney used to say that the ER was one of the worst ways to do

health care. He used to make all of these arguments prior to passing Romneycare. So he knows this will kill people, yet he says what he says now, knowing Americans will die or go bankrupt, just to get elected! People say that Rmoney will do/say anything to get elected, so there goes your proof! Hitler felt the same way!

[rainanna 14]

81. We need single payer. Let the government control the health industry.

How many insurance companies DENIED patients based on prior conditions? All Obama did was REWARD these bastards!

He and Mittens are on the same page. Color me shocked.

[G_j]

82. agreed.. disgusting and vile! nt

[pokerfan]

85. Toon...