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Why do they get to fear for the lives and act on that fear while the people who are the real victims and who TRULY fear for their lives continue to die at a HORRIBLE rate?
Why can't they use less than lethal force, even when they "fear for their lives"? Why isn't THAT there default action? How about we train for THAT?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)take the cop's precious lead-flingers away ... without significantly endangering them.
At least in anything but extreme circumstances. Like, only SWAT-like units have actual firearms.
The tech has GOT to exist at this point, or at least COULD, if enough money were throw at the problem.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Hell, getting clobbered by Officer Roid Rage and his billy club is usually more than bad enough.
I agree. It's time to nerf the cops. Take their guns away and reserve them for the SWAT teams and the backup. Only cops of sufficient rank, that have proven to be responsible, that have earned it, should be allowed access to firearms, and then only in case of emergency. And no, an 80lb elderly woman with dementia accused of walking off with $14 of merchandise doesn't constitute such an emergency. (The pigs in my hometown were the ones in the news who ripped a little-old-lady's shoulder out of its socket - so brave... /s)
ACAB.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)A cop doing nothing but using his radar gun and writing speeding tickets doesn't need enough weapons to rearm Bolivia.
The guns should be reserved for backup. The first-line officer is supposed to be the friendly face, who deescalates situations. Of course, he'll likely have backup (and in the UK, the backup's gonna have lots of weapons) if things get even slightly twitchy.
I'm fed up with cops acting like Imperial Stormtroopers.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... and will post pages arguing why they're right to justify more than lethal force on American citizens.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)You're getting a cut on the sale of multi-shot tasers.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... vs a lesser lethal force is high.
There's no one with adequate and field knowledge of use of tasers who hasn't said it would likely fail to stop a 15 yr old girl in her tracks.
The notion sounds silly on its face
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)Police work is not that dangerous, physically. An officer driving to work is at much greater risk of life and limb than when he or she makes a traffic stop.
The danger is the corrosion of the soul brought on by frequent contact with people at their worst, with people at their weakest, with people who are damaged beyond repair.
Police culture is rooted in white working class culture, which inculcates among other behaviors stoicism, repression of emotion, and self-medicating to relieve psychic pain.
Camaraderie is a potent intoxicant, and always contains an element of a collective identity, one different from others, who aren't one of us. Under a great collective stress, this can and does go toxic.
Sooner or later, an officer is going to take for an excuse to let off steam some trifle with a person who's not police. People are going to end up suffering who didn't really do anything, certainly nothing commensurate with what is done to them. Given the actual state of our culture and society, it is far more likely the victims will be persons of color. Nothing deters this, there is nothing to weigh in the balance against the moment's rough pleasure. There is generally reinforcement for it among comrades.
So it continues.
Redleg
(5,839 posts)You described the socialization and group development process very well, and I say that as a behavioral scientist. This is the same way that soldiers can become less humane during times of war. Interesting stuff!
Hekate
(90,789 posts)We have to do better
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)get out of their car.
There are things like sound cannons, but too many complained about those that police dont use them. Folks would probably complain about 10 foot prods, police dogs, etc., too, just like folks complain about tasers.
But at least things like that are reversible, although they are easily abused. There are times where people trained to deescalate would help, other times there is just not time.
Next time one calls police for a thump in the night, dont be surprised if they take extra time showing up.
Guess gunners are right, we all need to arm up.
Bev54
(10,072 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... with some PDs
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)And I find it heartbreaking that they've gone through so much shit at the hands of racist POS cops that they feel they need to do this.
America's cops have turned into complete psychos. Scratch that, they've always been complete psychos. Only now, they're on video...
Nay
(12,051 posts)Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)Giving them even more options, even if they're deemed less-than-lethal will only give them more tools to oppress and increase their authoritarian, adversarial mindset. Then they will use all of their options even more, including the lethal ones.
A complete overhaul of our police forces is the answer. Less reliance on police is the answer. A focus on community-oriented solutions is the answer.