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turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:04 PM May 2021

New Narrative: Pay Living Wage Or 'Flip Your Own Damn Burgers'

Politics 5/10/21 8:10am Read time: 3 minutes

Progressives Blast Right-Wing Narrative on Jobs.
By Common Dreams



Pushing back on the right-wing narrative about the reason for real or perceived labor shortages in some markets nationwide, progressives on Friday told corporations that if they want to hire more people, they'll need to start paying better wages.

Soon after the Labor Department released its April jobs report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce blamed last month's weak employment growth on the existence of a $300 weekly supplemental jobless benefit and began urging lawmakers to eliminate the federally enhanced unemployment payments that were extended through early September when congressional Democrats passed President Joe Biden's American Rescue Plan.

"No. We don't need to end [the additional] $300 a week in emergency unemployment benefits that workers desperately need," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said in response to the grumbles of the nation's largest business lobbying group. "We need to end starvation wages in America."

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/05/new-narrative-pay-living-wage-or-flip-your

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New Narrative: Pay Living Wage Or 'Flip Your Own Damn Burgers' (Original Post) turbinetree May 2021 OP
Another good reason why restaurants have trouble finding help KS Toronado May 2021 #1
Restaurants, retail, and other shit jobs are going to have some trouble Warpy May 2021 #4
Yup! Johnny2X2X May 2021 #9
It's sort of "general strike light" TraceNC May 2021 #14
+1. The owners pocketed billions of PPP money, and now they are badmouthing workers dalton99a May 2021 #13
Good insight! KS Toronado May 2021 #19
THIS infuriates me more than anything. smirkymonkey May 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author smirkymonkey May 2021 #23
Good! Start repeating and repeating and repeating that. irisblue May 2021 #2
The value is the same as always. But the price is going up fescuerescue May 2021 #5
You have to marvel at the depth and breadth of the greed. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #3
This morning leftieNanner May 2021 #8
LOVE Katie Porter, just as an aside. She is genuinely FUNNY! BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #21
In most states you don't receive unemployment unless you are actively seeking work Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #6
In my State, you are not required to take a job that isn't suitable to replace the old job. nt Progressive Jones May 2021 #24
Hey Restaurant owners, pay up or shut up! LittleGirl May 2021 #7
McDonalds did an analysis leftieNanner May 2021 #10
Ten cents? Most people wouldn't even notice that! ShazzieB May 2021 #15
The regulars will and have their usual tantrum. xmas74 May 2021 #27
The Biden Administration is smart Johnny2X2X May 2021 #11
I hope you're right! eom LittleGirl May 2021 #20
It's ironic that the "populist" MAGA movement has pissing on employees as a foundational principle. Midnight Writer May 2021 #12
I learned in college.... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #16
Same here Johnny2X2X May 2021 #17
Agreed. Completely. Happy Hoosier May 2021 #29
Chipotle listened Johnny2X2X May 2021 #18
Chipotle is actively working towards a solution xmas74 May 2021 #28
We need more manufacturing jobs. Period. nt Progressive Jones May 2021 #25
It's not going to matter BGBD May 2021 #26
Give that there seems to shift from people who want those crappy jobs... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #30
Haven't eaten in a restaurant since 2019 Klaralven May 2021 #31

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
1. Another good reason why restaurants have trouble finding help
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:14 PM
May 2021

With an ongoing pandemic and so many people refusing vaccines or wearing masks, I can understand why some
people feel like they're putting their lives in the hands of strangers.

Warpy

(111,273 posts)
4. Restaurants, retail, and other shit jobs are going to have some trouble
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:29 PM
May 2021

unless they're willing to cough up a day's wage for a day's work, something they haven't had to do since the early 70s.

It's going to be a real shock to all those freeloaders.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
9. Yup!
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:39 PM
May 2021

We stopped paying fair wages decades ago, so it's just accepted by the public now that people will be paid starvation wages.

TraceNC

(254 posts)
14. It's sort of "general strike light"
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:51 PM
May 2021

for lack of a better term. It’s about time businesses see what it’s like when the labor market raises the price of labor. And it’s about time the public sees what happens when the people (who JUST LAST YEAR were praised as frontline workers making food and household necessities readily available) aren’t serving them for crumbs.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. THIS infuriates me more than anything.
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:02 PM
May 2021

How many filthy reach owners of companies and organizatons who were not struggling and did not need their stimulus payents, received it and kpet it anyway. Greedy motherfuckers!

Response to dalton99a (Reply #13)

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
2. Good! Start repeating and repeating and repeating that.
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:20 PM
May 2021

The capitalist system and the "invisible hand of the free market" has kicked in and this means the value of labor has gone up.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
5. The value is the same as always. But the price is going up
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:32 PM
May 2021

Business will just have to find a way to pay the larger wage. Either that or close.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
3. You have to marvel at the depth and breadth of the greed.
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:26 PM
May 2021

How blinded by greed to you have to be before you can recognize the solution to a problem that shouldn't be happening? How is this not a logical and foreseeable outcome of, among other things, but largely "Right To Work" legislation that is really "Because You Have No Other Choice" legislation?

leftieNanner

(15,121 posts)
8. This morning
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

I took a walk with my friend and I was telling her about the Congressional Hearing where Katie Porter and her white board questioned Jamie Dimon about a hypothetical constituent from her district who might work at his bank. After she laid out the woman's finances and got to the bottom, the woman would be $750 short every month. She then asked him (who is paid tens of millions of dollars every year) what is the solution?

We all know the answer is - PAY A LIVING WAGE. But he couldn't say it. Sick greedy bastard.

My local Wells Fargo branch is temporarily closed because they don't have enough workers. Would you work as a teller in a bank for minimum wage? That's effectively what they pay!

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
21. LOVE Katie Porter, just as an aside. She is genuinely FUNNY!
Mon May 10, 2021, 10:14 PM
May 2021

Conversely, do not care much for Mr. Dimon, or his board. Play a part in trying to run the US economy, which would have caused most of the world economy to follow it into the ditch. THEN to get a raise???

Disgusting, top to bottom.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,028 posts)
6. In most states you don't receive unemployment unless you are actively seeking work
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:34 PM
May 2021

Are they pissed off that someone with an engineering or other professional degree won't take a job as a burger flipper?

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
7. Hey Restaurant owners, pay up or shut up!
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

I made 2.01 an hour plus tips in 1980.
The pay is now 2.13 an hour plus tips.

Pay up or shut up!
And give your servers/cooks/washers Sick days, personal days and vacation pay!
Goddamn it, they aren’t slaves!

Pay them! You’ve been riding that gravy train long enough!

leftieNanner

(15,121 posts)
10. McDonalds did an analysis
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:40 PM
May 2021

Of price of food against employment costs. I think they determined that if they paid their workers a decent wage, they would have to raise the price of a Big Mac by TEN CENTS!!!

I don't eat that crap, but I imagine most people would pay TEN CENTS more!!

I also think that restaurants should be "service compris" - no tipping at all and pay all employees a fair wage.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
27. The regulars will and have their usual tantrum.
Tue May 11, 2021, 04:12 AM
May 2021

I was a shift manager at a fast food place. The regulars would notice if the tax went up a penny. One actually threw pennies at me over a senior coffee, which was a quarter. The tax rate went up and they had to pay 26 cents. Another threw a cream cheese package at me.

Imo, a dime is nothing but believe me someone will complain.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
11. The Biden Administration is smart
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:42 PM
May 2021

This is not an unintended consequence, but rather an intended one. They knew this would drive wages up as people aren't going to work for nothing anymore. Giving the working poor a taste of the middle class income they deserve is the worst nightmare for Cons. The market is deciding right now, just needed a little nudge, but I think this has lasting effects.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
12. It's ironic that the "populist" MAGA movement has pissing on employees as a foundational principle.
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:47 PM
May 2021

All of these fools would be totally screwed if not for liberal government programs.

I wish Democrats would make that case.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
16. I learned in college....
Mon May 10, 2021, 03:04 PM
May 2021

That working food service is a shitty job. It's dirty, it's hot, and it pays crap.

I know from some personal contact that some folks who worked food service prior to the pandemic have now found jobs that pay better and have better working conditions.

In short, the restaurants are going to have to do more to attract workers if they want to compete. Simple as that.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
17. Same here
Mon May 10, 2021, 03:18 PM
May 2021

I worked food service jobs as a youngster, and I was able to build on that and get an education and find jobs that paid more. But here's the thing, yeah, people should try to improve themselves and add skills to be able to have a better career, but not everyone can do that. I recognize that food service work is important and for whatever reason it might be all some people are ever qualified to do. And I think those people, and every other worker too should earn enough to live in dignity.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
29. Agreed. Completely.
Tue May 11, 2021, 09:41 AM
May 2021

Many restaurant owners seem to think they are entitled to workers paid poverty wages. That has to change. Anyone working full time should be able to afford the necessities of life.

If that means we have to pay more for a Big Mac or rack of Chili's Baby Back Ribs? Oh fucking well.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
18. Chipotle listened
Mon May 10, 2021, 03:31 PM
May 2021
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chipotle-raises-average-hourly-wage-123501678.html

When you have companies like Chipotle paying $15 an hour for restaurant work, and Cotsco paying $16 an hour for grocery store work, it sets a standard for the area. Why bag groceries for $8 an hour when you can try to get into Costco and make double? Why work at the local Greasy Spoon for $9 an hour when Chipotle is paying $15? And Amazon boosted their pay to $15 an hour and although they cut back some other benefits, this had the effect of other warehouse and delivery jobs paying more.

This is all great, but not enough, there still needs to be a minimum wage for those places where workers don't have the options of Amazon, Chipotle, or Costco.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
28. Chipotle is actively working towards a solution
Tue May 11, 2021, 04:20 AM
May 2021

And trying to retain employees. My kid is in college and was just promoted to service manager. She has full benefits including insurance at a better rate than what I pay, vacation, some sick,etc. She receives a holiday cash bonus too.

She has now transferred from the local university to totally online with another university in state so she can finish her degree while working. She's already spoken with corporate and they've said with a degree in business she can do very well with the company, especially after she mentioned her plan to obtain an MBA. A recent article stated that GMs can expect to earn upwards of 100k a year so it's worth it for her.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
26. It's not going to matter
Tue May 11, 2021, 12:26 AM
May 2021

Automation is going to replace most of the "burger flipper" jobs in the next 5 to 10 years anyway.

They already have automated kiosks to order and drink machines that pour the drinks on their own. It won't be long before the rest of it is 0's and 1's as well.

Instead of 10 people on a shift they'll have 1 or 2 just to make sure everything is running and to load the machines, and hell, those people might need some computer engineering experience to be able to keep everything going.

It won't just be those jobs either. Any job that involves repetitive tasks is going to become automated sooner rather than later and as AI advances who knows what'll come.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
30. Give that there seems to shift from people who want those crappy jobs...
Tue May 11, 2021, 09:45 AM
May 2021

Maybe a reduced labor force in restaurants is just fine then.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
31. Haven't eaten in a restaurant since 2019
Tue May 11, 2021, 11:37 AM
May 2021

Actually, there is no need to eat in restaurants.

I've had a little takeout from time to time, but grocery stores have a wide selection of prepared and microwaveable entrees. I can carry my own food from the kitchen to the table.

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