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PA_jen

(1,114 posts)
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:46 PM May 2021

My humble opinion. CDC is lifting Mask and social distancing too soon.

Full disclosure. I am an introvert. I do interact when I have too and I fell in love working from home. I think I was more productive. I am strongly thinking of leaving a job I love it I have to go back to the office. My husband and worries I am becoming a border line agoraphobic if I absolutely have to I will go out but if there is no need I won't.

Honestly I believe we are opening too quickly and relaxing mask and distancing. At least in my area too many covididiots. I also worry about the variants. Sooner or later we will find a variant that the vaccine can't protect. We keep moving up the goal post just so wall street and comport America can get their way? The rich can protect themselves easier than working class. They get better healthcare.


Sorry on tablet .

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My humble opinion. CDC is lifting Mask and social distancing too soon. (Original Post) PA_jen May 2021 OP
Nobody is stopping you from wearing a mask if you feel the need to. brooklynite May 2021 #1
Agree 100% beaglelover May 2021 #9
It gives the anti-maskers an out! Stupid! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #16
Exactly. LisaL May 2021 #19
The anti-maskers never needed an out. Native May 2021 #39
Yeah they did. Now they can just lie about it. boston bean May 2021 #55
No they didnt BGBD May 2021 #66
They could have been arrested for trespassing. I am sure that was a deterrent for many. boston bean May 2021 #67
Could have BGBD May 2021 #71
Scared of masks? Nt USALiberal May 2021 #18
I read that Bill Maher is fully vaccinated Bev54 May 2021 #64
Only 6 states have reached 70% vaccination rate. If I lived in one of those states I would go PortTack May 2021 #2
Add post infection immunity and things look good Loki Liesmith May 2021 #36
My city is 70% vaccinated Demobrat May 2021 #78
We need to make our own decisions to keep our loved ones safe FakeNoose May 2021 #3
Masks also help protect against influenza and noroviruses. roamer65 May 2021 #4
I agree. In my state, less than 50 % of population is vaccinated. LisaL May 2021 #5
But if you are fully vaccinated then you are protected from people who are not vaccinated. totodeinhere May 2021 #13
Ever heard of breakthrough infections? LisaL May 2021 #15
CDC Director Walensky just told Rachel Maddow there is a 95% chance BigmanPigman May 2021 #25
Did you mean to say 95% protection after two shots? Big Blue Marble May 2021 #34
Yes, that's what i meant. I'll correct it. BigmanPigman May 2021 #35
Yes of course but breakthrough infections are statistically insignificant. Some people who get flu totodeinhere May 2021 #27
Yes some have died. Less than 150 out of 100 million vaccinated. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #48
Yeah Maryland is opening up alot I_UndergroundPanther May 2021 #6
I'm leaving my prison in 13 days 48656c6c6f20 May 2021 #7
totally agree nt Grasswire2 May 2021 #8
Totally agree. Blue_playwright May 2021 #10
Why do you think that following the science, which is what the CDC is doing, totodeinhere May 2021 #12
Nah, I just know people Blue_playwright May 2021 #37
The same CDC that about a week ago finally acknowedged that COVID is spread by Ms. Toad May 2021 #68
THANK YOU Ms Toad. You saved me the trouble!!! HUAJIAO May 2021 #79
I didn't have N95 - Ms. Toad May 2021 #80
Good on you. HUAJIAO May 2021 #82
I get stomped all the time. Ms. Toad May 2021 #84
+1000 HUAJIAO May 2021 #94
Oh my BannonsLiver May 2021 #105
Check it and prove me wrong. Ms. Toad May 2021 #110
You have a perfect record of transmitting Covid? BannonsLiver May 2021 #111
When it is impossible to prove your point, Ms. Toad May 2021 #113
How would I prove or disprove you are the expert you claim to be? BannonsLiver May 2021 #114
Search DU for the statements I have made regarding the transmision of COVID Ms. Toad May 2021 #115
Exactly. I trust science. It's people I worry about Sympthsical May 2021 #96
Yes, my dad makes many of the same arguments BannonsLiver May 2021 #102
My statements are factually accurate (unlike your dad's) Ms. Toad May 2021 #107
"I trust the science!11" BannonsLiver May 2021 #109
No. I have no special insights. Ms. Toad May 2021 #112
If they're following the science why did 95% of surveyed epidemiologists... Spider Jerusalem May 2021 #93
I would trust the CDC under the new administration to follow the science. totodeinhere May 2021 #11
And do you think they are going to follow mask rules. PA_jen May 2021 #17
Probably not but if you are fully vaccinated it won't matter to you what others do. totodeinhere May 2021 #29
Everyone seems to be forgetting the children who can't get the shot yet questionseverything May 2021 #95
Of course they won't Rebl2 May 2021 #45
I think so, too, but I imagine they're banking babylonsister May 2021 #14
Masks are a way of life now. LakeArenal May 2021 #20
Japan is experiencing a surge in cases and deaths Yavin4 May 2021 #74
The government has been sitting on vaccines, not getting them distributed oregonjen May 2021 #77
Europe is pretty much sucking as well. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #88
I agree- especially given the fact that Quakerfriend May 2021 #21
I AGREE WITH YOU. I will still wear a mask. I'm over 65, have CHF & high blood pressure. Trueblue1968 May 2021 #22
I am just going to wear a valved mask. LisaL May 2021 #23
Good idea! boston bean May 2021 #24
That's a great idea! I want to buy a valved mask too! liberal_mama May 2021 #72
Just in case it is of concern to you, HUAJIAO May 2021 #81
That's my point exactly. LisaL May 2021 #97
Good move.... HUAJIAO May 2021 #99
My husband and I are still going to wear inside stores etc marye50 May 2021 #26
I tend to agree. TomSlick May 2021 #116
I tend to agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #28
It's not, that is my issue! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #30
The Covidiots are the ones who stand to get nailed,.. magicarpet May 2021 #31
I'm glad. I got the vaccinations for a reason. SharonClark May 2021 #32
I agree with your humble opinion. Way too early to open the floodgates. nt Evolve Dammit May 2021 #33
👍 ailsagirl May 2021 #41
I'm done with masks unless a business requires it. Loki Liesmith May 2021 #38
+1 beaglelover May 2021 #49
Trump humpers could use some company Skittles May 2021 #122
My mask stays ailsagirl May 2021 #40
THe public is antsy, it's been a long seige bucolic_frolic May 2021 #42
I like the CDC guidance LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #43
And now news is breaking that 8 fully vaccinated Yankees players test + for covid Quakerfriend May 2021 #44
They got the J&J vaccine which only has about 70% immunity FakeNoose May 2021 #56
The point is that you don't get super sick Calculating May 2021 #58
They probably won't require hospitalization and won't die IronLionZion May 2021 #62
Tend to agree. moondust May 2021 #46
I won't be changing anything I'm doing right now Raftergirl May 2021 #47
Totally disagree. The data speaks for itself. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #50
Kids under 12 can't get vaccinated, what about them? questionseverything May 2021 #98
Then they keep wearing masks. I think where DU members live effects their feelings about this. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #108
The kids under 12 should continue to wear a mask. totodeinhere May 2021 #117
Without the mask rule the anti vaccine people will blend in questionseverything May 2021 #119
Anti-vaccine people are not covered by this new policy. totodeinhere May 2021 #121
I'm still going to wear one when in stores. StarryNite May 2021 #51
I'm ok with watching the unvaccinated infect each other TomDaisy May 2021 #52
I would be too except Demobrat May 2021 #89
yes Skittles May 2021 #123
My fear is that the people who were not getting the vaccine were not wearing masks anyway. TNNurse May 2021 #53
there's still no way I'm going into a movie theater, even with a mask, no matter what TomDaisy May 2021 #54
Agree 100% marble falls May 2021 #57
The CDC is following the science. former9thward May 2021 #59
Are you scared of masks? What is the downside of wearing them? Nt USALiberal May 2021 #69
You can't be serious. former9thward May 2021 #75
Sadly some have taken mask wearing to be proof of being a liberal. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #92
Are you afraid of not wearing a mask? See how easy that is? GulfCoast66 May 2021 #91
I don't wear a hardhat if I don't need one either. Happy Hoosier May 2021 #106
You say follow the science but the science says you can still get covid even if fully vaccinated. Solomon May 2021 #90
My so and I thought the same thing mgardener May 2021 #60
My so and I thought the same thing mgardener May 2021 #61
I feel like this is somehow sending the wrong message. Not because the science isn't sound. Ford_Prefect May 2021 #63
You can only announce "all clear" once Bmoboy May 2021 #65
WTF? You can only call all clear when you are sure nothing bad can happen? That's never! GulfCoast66 May 2021 #86
The good news is that the price of masks is plummeting. Marcuse May 2021 #70
I'd say the CDC was going to slow if anything , speaknow May 2021 #73
I saw a funny meme but can't find it now. It said: MLAA May 2021 #76
I have conflicting thoughts ecstatic May 2021 #83
Oh come on. The CDC has not "snatched away" our masks. totodeinhere May 2021 #118
It's a lot to process, this shift in our collective experience. blogslug May 2021 #85
I agree. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #87
I support indoor mask mandates for the rest of our lives Polybius May 2021 #100
No thank you! beaglelover May 2021 #104
Everyone thinks they have some special insight no one else has. BannonsLiver May 2021 #101
Are you an epidemiologist? Happy Hoosier May 2021 #103
How can you say we are opening too quickly when the latest science has proved that fully vaccinated totodeinhere May 2021 #120

brooklynite

(94,559 posts)
1. Nobody is stopping you from wearing a mask if you feel the need to.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:50 PM
May 2021

Personally, I'll go with the science experts.

beaglelover

(3,484 posts)
9. Agree 100%
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:56 PM
May 2021

I'm fully vaccinated and will not wear a mask any longer unless it is required by the particular establishment I am patronizing.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
67. They could have been arrested for trespassing. I am sure that was a deterrent for many.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:45 PM
May 2021

Now they will all just lie and act like they are part of the vaccinated.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
64. I read that Bill Maher is fully vaccinated
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:39 PM
May 2021

but just tested positive. He is a-symptomatic but can still give it to someone else. It is those not vaccinated that should be worried because those who are vaccinated can still spread it.

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
2. Only 6 states have reached 70% vaccination rate. If I lived in one of those states I would go
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:50 PM
May 2021

Without a mask, but I don’t. I will continue to wear a masK, will not be going to restaurants or other crowded places where many will now not be masked.

Demobrat

(8,977 posts)
78. My city is 70% vaccinated
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:24 PM
May 2021

but local businesses still require masks so really not much is different. If I still need it on public transportation and in stores, salons and restaurants I still need it.

The biggest difference is I can ride in a car with other unvaccinated people. That’s nice.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
3. We need to make our own decisions to keep our loved ones safe
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:51 PM
May 2021

The CDC guidelines - are only just guidelines.

Don't let anyone else tell you what makes YOU feel safe and what makes YOU feel comfortable. I'm fully vaccinated and yet I still wear a mask when I go to places like grocery stores, gas stations and restaurants. When I walk my dog on my street or cut my grass, I don't have to wear a mask. When I'm around people I don't know, I will still wear one.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
5. I agree. In my state, less than 50 % of population is vaccinated.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:54 PM
May 2021

There are still bunch of un-vaccinated people running around. I don't trust them at all to tell the truth about their vaccination status.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
13. But if you are fully vaccinated then you are protected from people who are not vaccinated.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:59 PM
May 2021

That is what the science is saying.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
15. Ever heard of breakthrough infections?
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:01 PM
May 2021

You are not protected a 100 %. Some people have died after being fully vaccinated.

BigmanPigman

(51,591 posts)
25. CDC Director Walensky just told Rachel Maddow there is a 95% chance
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:11 PM
May 2021

of not getting infected after both shots. If you do get infected you are likely only getting a very mild case.

I think I'll wear mine as a political statement if I feel the situation is appropriate since I drew/wrote "tRump" inside of a red circle with a red slash through his name on 3 of my original, white N95 masks. I live in a blue area and everyone likes it, even my doctors.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
27. Yes of course but breakthrough infections are statistically insignificant. Some people who get flu
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:13 PM
May 2021

shots also get breakthrough infections. No vaccine is 100% effective. But if you are fully vaccinated your chance of getting a breakthrough infection is so low that you would be more likely to have any number of other things happen to you first. If you are afraid of something that insignificant then you had better stay at hone at all times hiding under your bed,

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
48. Yes some have died. Less than 150 out of 100 million vaccinated.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:45 PM
May 2021

That is coming close to one in a million chance.

Those odds are no reason to keep changing our lifestyle if vaccinated. If they were none of us would drive a vehicle.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
6. Yeah Maryland is opening up alot
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:54 PM
May 2021

And I think some of the things are opening too soon too.

It's because we got a damn republican as governor.
I never trusted hogan to care about the poorer and working people.

And obviously he listens to business owners at the expense of everyone else. Because he's a godamn republican.

I hope Maryland tosses out all republicans in power to the curb next voting cycle.

But sadly business people and skaredy magats and fundie people will keep voting for fucking republicans.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
7. I'm leaving my prison in 13 days
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:54 PM
May 2021

I will wear a mask even though I am a Pfizer alumni 2021 as of yesterday. It's been a long haul. I need to find my humans again and be part of life.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
10. Totally agree.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:56 PM
May 2021

I'm going to continue to wear mine (I work in a restaurant) and hope that the rest of the relaxing of preventative measures doesn't bite us in the ass. But I think it will.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
12. Why do you think that following the science, which is what the CDC is doing,
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:58 PM
May 2021

will bite us in the ass? Are you anti-science?

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
68. The same CDC that about a week ago finally acknowedged that COVID is spread by
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:48 PM
May 2021

aerosolized particles (a year after that scientific reality was well established)?

The same CDC that said people shouldn't wear masks months after we knew they were protective?

The same CDC that said masks did not provide protection for the wearer months after we knew they did?

The CDC does not have a good record about being right as ot aerosolized transmission and - in every instance - has erred on the wrong side (that more likely to promote transmission than to prevent it).

HUAJIAO

(2,385 posts)
79. THANK YOU Ms Toad. You saved me the trouble!!!
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:27 PM
May 2021

In much of the US infection rates are still considerably higher than the same time last year. They are pretty low in my county in Up-State NY, but still 8-10 times higher than May of last year when the county of 110,000 had only 1-2-3 per day.. As you mention, CDC was saying masks were not important last year.. Did they ever hear of, oh say, TAIWAN !!! Singapore!! Hong Kong??? DUH!!!!

I spent hours and hours and days last year studying the science of it all on my own, still do quite a bit...I had 3M N95 masks ready to go a couple months before the 'shutdown last March. So I'm with you. I take the CDC with a grain of salt.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
80. I didn't have N95 -
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:37 PM
May 2021

But I had already started making (and wearing) masks - based on the scientific research I had done by early March of last year.

I've been right on COVID issues pretty darn close to 100% of the time. The day before our university shut down I was desperately trying to convince our department's administration to take this seriously. They pretty much laughed me out of the room. Then, less than 24 hours later . . .

The CDC - not so much.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
84. I get stomped all the time.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:46 PM
May 2021

I just tell them to go search what I was saying here, when I said it. In fact I've been stomped within the last few days when I said the CDC was late to the game as to transmission by aerosolized matter.

I'll put my public record up against the CDC as to COVID transmission, rate of infection growth, etc. any day.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
110. Check it and prove me wrong.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:05 PM
May 2021

You won't be able to because as to transmission of COVID I have a near perfect record, and the CDC's record has been flat out wrong.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
114. How would I prove or disprove you are the expert you claim to be?
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:14 PM
May 2021

You’ve said you know more about the virus than epidemiologists and others at the CDC.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
115. Search DU for the statements I have made regarding the transmision of COVID
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:26 PM
May 2021

Including, but not limited to:

The growth rate (including specific predictions as to when infections would reach certain levels)
Masks prevent transmission
Masks protect the wearer, not just those around the wearer
COVID transmits as aerosolized matter
COVID can be transmitted by asymptomatic individuals
The vaccines not only prevent severe disease but also prevent infection and transmission.

I have been anything but silent on COVID 19, so there's a significant record here. On each of these points (and I'm sure others I've forgotten) I've been right and the CDC has been either wrong (e.g.masks prevent transmission), or significantly later than I have been (e.g. aerosolized transmission).

I am not claiming to be an expert. I am claiming that I have been correct as to virtually every statement I have made about the transmisson of COVID 19 - and the CDC has been wrong, or enough later that it likely contributed to the development of dangerous behavior. It doesn't take being an expert. It takes paying attention to peer-reviewed literature (when it is available), reading the research from multiple sources that is too early to be peer-reviewed, a basic knowledge of mathematics and science, and a healthy dose of skepticism about new pronouncements by an agency which has (repeatedly) proven itself wrong or late to the game

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
96. Exactly. I trust science. It's people I worry about
Fri May 14, 2021, 08:46 PM
May 2021

This whole, "Are you against science?!" angle of attack. Jesus.

I trust science that hasn't fucked up as much as the CDC has during all this.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
102. Yes, my dad makes many of the same arguments
Fri May 14, 2021, 09:56 PM
May 2021

Of course he also loves Trump, thinks Fauci is a crook and a liar and doesn’t trust the government either.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
107. My statements are factually accurate (unlike your dad's)
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:03 PM
May 2021

and backed by science (unlike most trump lover's).

I trust the science. Anyone who blindly trusts the government after they have been wrong on virtually every pronouncement during the pandemic on transmission - including during the Biden administration (by failure to correct prior misstatements for more than 3 months).

Shame on you for suggesting that those of us who actually do trust the science, do our own science-based research, and have a proven track record on things the CDC has gotten wrong are like your Trump-loving dad because we are calling out specific pronouncements that are inconsistent with what we currently know about transmission and risk.

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
112. No. I have no special insights.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:10 PM
May 2021

Just scientific research in peer-reviewed and medical literature.

The CDC's pronouncements have been, and continue to be, influenced by politics. In this instance, the driving force seems to be rewarding those who have been vaccinated, without regard to the impact this decision has on the number of breakthrough cases encouraging abandonment of masks will cause, or the impact this decision will have on the risks posed for individuals who cannot be vaccinated (under 12, those who cannot take the vaccine for medical reasons) or those who cannot develop imunity even though they are vaccinated (people who are immune compromised, for example).

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
11. I would trust the CDC under the new administration to follow the science.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:57 PM
May 2021

If the science says that fully vaccinated people can be safely maskless then that's good enough for me. If a new variant comes along that is not affected by the current vaccines we can revisit the guidelines, but for the time being studies are showing that the major vaccines are effective against the variants we know of. But of course you are free to continue to wear a mask even if you are fully vaccinated if that is your choice. And yes there are a lot of covididiots, but remember that people who are not fully vaccinated yet must continue to wear masks,

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
29. Probably not but if you are fully vaccinated it won't matter to you what others do.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:17 PM
May 2021

Your chances of catching it from them even if they are maskless are nil. And even if you did catch it because you are fully vaccinated you are virtually 100% protected from a severe case or death. If you deny the veracity of this science then you are as bad as right wing science deniers.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
95. Everyone seems to be forgetting the children who can't get the shot yet
Fri May 14, 2021, 08:41 PM
May 2021

Basically now the anti vaccine people will blend in with everyone else

Before ending the mask mandate it was easy to tell who the idiots were

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
14. I think so, too, but I imagine they're banking
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:00 PM
May 2021

on people like us to be extra-cautious. Hopefully we're weeding the covidiots out.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
20. Masks are a way of life now.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:07 PM
May 2021

People with colds or flu should wear masks from now on. Japan has been way ahead of us on mask wearing.

Of course they have had terrible air quality in the past.

oregonjen

(3,337 posts)
77. The government has been sitting on vaccines, not getting them distributed
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:20 PM
May 2021

It’s so puzzling to watch NHK news and see the atrocious rollout. The citizens are getting fed up with their government and I don’t blame them.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
88. Europe is pretty much sucking as well.
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:09 AM
May 2021

They seemed to depend on their healthcare system, which in normal time may be great. But can’t handle the entire population in a short period of time.

The US, using our typical ingenuity has far outperform most other nations. I think most European countries have less than 25% of their population even having one dose.

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
21. I agree- especially given the fact that
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:07 PM
May 2021

Indian immunologists say that they think rapidly spreading variant 1617 is more virulent AND the vaccines do not protect against it. Right now, ~ 28% of all cases in India are believed to be due to this variant. We only stopped in coming flights from India last week. 🙄

Trueblue1968

(17,218 posts)
22. I AGREE WITH YOU. I will still wear a mask. I'm over 65, have CHF & high blood pressure.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:07 PM
May 2021

i think it's too soon.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
23. I am just going to wear a valved mask.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:09 PM
May 2021

Since CDC says we don't need masks, why shouldn't I protect myself and be comfortable?

HUAJIAO

(2,385 posts)
81. Just in case it is of concern to you,
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:38 PM
May 2021

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a valved mask will protect you but NOT others...

marye50

(19 posts)
26. My husband and I are still going to wear inside stores etc
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:12 PM
May 2021

We are both vaccinated but my husband is ESRD and will need dialysis/kidney transplant.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
116. I tend to agree.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:42 PM
May 2021

My wife and I am both in good health (for old folks) but we are in an area with a low vaccination rate and a high Trumpster rate. I've been too careful too long to blow it now.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,985 posts)
28. I tend to agree
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:15 PM
May 2021

According to the CDC I can go mask free in 12 days but what's to prevent others who haven't been vaccinated from not following their guidelines? How is this enforced?

magicarpet

(14,150 posts)
31. The Covidiots are the ones who stand to get nailed,..
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:20 PM
May 2021

They categorically refuse masks, social distancing, or any vaccine, and remain believing the pandemic is a hoax.

Once the vaccinated crowd lowers their guard, that will be a signal to the Covidiot group to unleash and party hearty.

The summer of 2021 will be the Covidiots chance to kick off their shoes,... mix and mingle with all their friends, and make up for lost party hearty times that were on hold or cancelled due to the pandemic.

Right wing nut jobs and the alpha macho man crowd are going to get pounded by the Coronavirus real bad this coming summer and fall.

Stand back,... wish them well,... look upon it as 2022 & 2024 fascist, white supremacist, and Christian Nazis voter suppression.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
32. I'm glad. I got the vaccinations for a reason.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:23 PM
May 2021

Now I can be with vaccinated family and friends without a mask. I’ll still avoid crowds or places where people are unlikely to have gotten the jab but other than that, I’m happy with the CDC today.

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
40. My mask stays
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:37 PM
May 2021

But then, Dr Fauci agrees. Still, I’m not changing anything — the mask stays ON for me.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
42. THe public is antsy, it's been a long seige
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:40 PM
May 2021

The illness is treated well now, even in severe cases. We have no choice but to join the optimism and move forward to as much normal as we can grab.

If there are variants, we'll deal with them when it happens. It's a sad pandemic. We wanted to save everyone and prevent suffering. Life doesn't always work that way.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,231 posts)
43. I like the CDC guidance
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:40 PM
May 2021

Idiots who are not vaccinated can just catch the virus and suffer the consequences of their stupidity.


FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
56. They got the J&J vaccine which only has about 70% immunity
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:09 PM
May 2021

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both require 2 shots, but you're 95% or higher immunity. These guys who got the J&J knew the risk, that they could still get sick.

So the good news is that they are asymptomatic and their Covid infection is (so far) minimal and they probably won't have to go to a hospital. The men are young, healthy and in good physical shape, and we're hoping they will be OK.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
62. They probably won't require hospitalization and won't die
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:31 PM
May 2021

because it will be milder than if they were not vaccinated

moondust

(19,981 posts)
46. Tend to agree.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:42 PM
May 2021

Last edited Thu May 13, 2021, 11:58 PM - Edit history (2)

Even after full vax you can still get the virus as happened to members of that baseball team. And even if asymptomatic I assume you can still transmit it to kids and others who may not be vaxxed.



Sanjay Gupta just addressed this with Don Lemon. He said the chances of someone fully vaccinated getting infected and then transmitting it are "really, really low" due to having a very low viral load.



Oh yeah, what about India variants?

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Earlier, Prime Minister Boris Johnson did not rule out reintroducing regional restrictions, saying: "It is a variant of concern, we are anxious about it."
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Indian variant: Next steps considered amid India variant concern

Raftergirl

(1,285 posts)
47. I won't be changing anything I'm doing right now
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:44 PM
May 2021

and I can’t be worried about what the antimaskers/antivacxxers do anymore. If they don’t care if the get sick or worse, I’m certainly not going to waste the bandwidth to care.

I’m protected as much as any vaccine can protect one, and I’ll continue taking the precautions I feel are necessary to stay healthy.

I’m also fortunate that I live in a high vax area and everyone I know is vaccinated (friends and family) and would only go unmasked around them. I also don’t expect most businesses here will be getting rid of their mask requirement anytime soon.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. Totally disagree. The data speaks for itself.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:56 PM
May 2021

100 million fully vaccinated Americans. Less than 10 thousand breakthrough cases. That a one in 10,000 chance. Less than 150 deaths. That approaching one in a million.

Unless the data changes it would be dishonest to tell fully vaccinated people they need to keep living this crazy life we have been. And politically devastating.

If you are fully vaccinated and still afraid to go out you really should not drive a vehicle. Because the data proves it more dangerous than dying from Covid.

I don’t really care if people keep wearing masks. I expect about 5-10% of Americans will well after Covid is gone. Fine by me. Hell, I might in flu season.

But I won’t be one of them.

If the data changes so will my decisions. But the main reason I like DU is because it is normally a science based site. Current science does not justify mask mandates for vaccinated people.

The unvaccinated? They will keep dying and getting sick. A year ago that would have bothered me. Today I could give a fuck.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
108. Then they keep wearing masks. I think where DU members live effects their feelings about this.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:03 PM
May 2021

I’m starting to realize that.

Here in Florida we have no mask mandates. If you are unvaccinated and go out anywhere you will be around unmasked people. Have for months and months. So the only thing that changes is that fully vaccinated people don’t have to mask if they have been responsible enough to follow CDC guidelines. Which the wife and I have religiously. Unfortunately many don’t and the state does nothing to stop them. Nor penalize businesses that don’t require it.

I can see how Blue states it could be a different kettle of fish. And people will have different perceptions on this issue.

Nevertheless, I fully expect quite a few states will never get much above 50% vaccinated. Even 5 months from now.

Have a good weekend.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
117. The kids under 12 should continue to wear a mask.
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:15 PM
May 2021

This new guideline from the CDC is for fully vaccinated people.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
119. Without the mask rule the anti vaccine people will blend in
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:22 PM
May 2021

Which will lead to more live virus so even though children are masked more will get sick this way

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
121. Anti-vaccine people are not covered by this new policy.
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:26 PM
May 2021

I repeat. This only applies to fully vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people are still required to wear a mask. Of course not all will but that has always been the case.

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
51. I'm still going to wear one when in stores.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:58 PM
May 2021

I'm in no hurry to eat in restaurants and still don't intend to be in crowds. Time will tell how this works out.

Demobrat

(8,977 posts)
89. I would be too except
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:18 AM
May 2021

for the space they would take up in hospitals and the extra work they would create for doctors and nurses. Health care workers deserve a break.

If they would just stay home when they got sick they could just all cough on each other for all I care.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
123. yes
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:31 PM
May 2021

it is AMAZING now many people leave front line workers out of the equation when referring to KARMA for the unvaccinated

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
53. My fear is that the people who were not getting the vaccine were not wearing masks anyway.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:59 PM
May 2021

TN had very few mask mandates. Our idiot governor left it up to cities and counties and they punted.

I will change my behavior some, but in stores, restaurants until I get my food, I will continue to wear a mask.

TomDaisy

(1,870 posts)
54. there's still no way I'm going into a movie theater, even with a mask, no matter what
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:01 PM
May 2021

I'm not going into any situation where there's a packed crowd.

Will fly because I have to but we should all be masked on a plane.

If people aren't masked at stores, I'll be shopping very early or very late when few people are there.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
59. The CDC is following the science.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:28 PM
May 2021

If you do not wish to follow the science that is fine, wear a mask until the end of life. Up to you. But no mask for me and others who follow the science.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
92. Sadly some have taken mask wearing to be proof of being a liberal.
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:37 AM
May 2021

But I’m not surprised.

Just weird to see so many people here who for a year have preached follow the science suddenly rejecting it.

As you know, data tells us that if vaccinated you have just under one and a million chance of dying of Covid. There is no justification for the government to have mask mandates with those odds. Otherwise we could not drive!

And politically it will kill us!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
91. Are you afraid of not wearing a mask? See how easy that is?
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:26 AM
May 2021

The CDC is making a good call based on the data we have. Just under one a million chance of dying of Covid if you are vaccinated based on the data of 100 million Americans who are vaccinated. 100 million vaccinated, less than 150 deaths among them.

I’ve got no problem with people who decide to continue wearing masks. I may during a big flu outbreak.

But the facts don’t support continued government dictates or even recommendations for vaccinated people to wear masks.

Of course people who choose to continue to have every right.

Fully vaccinated people’s decision not to mask now is no longer a sign of being an anti-science nut.

I’ve worn the damn thing religiously for over a year. As I’ve watched the data over the past 2 months I’m not surprised by this decision. And welcome it.

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
106. I don't wear a hardhat if I don't need one either.
Fri May 14, 2021, 10:01 PM
May 2021

I will follow the advice of the experts.

If some place I visit requires a mask I will wear one. Other than that, i have two does of the Moderna....

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
90. You say follow the science but the science says you can still get covid even if fully vaccinated.
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:23 AM
May 2021

Some of us are old with serious health issues like copd and heart disease. I wouldn't want even a mild case of covid. It's not fair for you to imply that wearing a mask is not following science. It is, because science says you can still get infected even if vaccinated.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
60. My so and I thought the same thing
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:30 PM
May 2021

I live in NY state.
I wonder what Cuomo will do. He already stated that COVID vaccine will be required for SUNY colleges.
Risk for getting COVID in my county was just downgraded from Very high to high today.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
61. My so and I thought the same thing
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:30 PM
May 2021

I live in NY state.
I wonder what Cuomo will do. He already stated that COVID vaccine will be required for SUNY colleges.
Risk for getting COVID in my county was just downgraded from Very high to high today.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
63. I feel like this is somehow sending the wrong message. Not because the science isn't sound.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:36 PM
May 2021

I think what they have said is probably true, for now.

However there is not enough data regarding the evolution of the disease elsewhere. Some of the identified variants seem to be resisted by current vaccines so far.

I've read that the long-term concern is that it will morph into a form that will bypass our current vaccines and we will then need an improved or even different version, if that indeed will be enough.

I agree with several of you that the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd will not comply and will fake it when they can. I've heard some disturbing commentary while waiting to check out at the grocery or shopping in the hardware store. More to the point is that they will keep the disease alive among us, and they will require care, or burial, or both. That will consume not only medical resources and time, but it will also damage my town, and this valley, and this part of the state I live in. It will also feed the terrible culture war that Trump, the GOP, Koch et al, and FOX have visited upon us.

I think we need a very different approach to it all. When I was a child we got the SALK vaccine and I remember going to the public school to get it along with my family so that everyone would be safe. I'm not a political strategist and right now I don't give a damn about politics as such. This is a national emergency on a scale with war and famine. Why the fuck isn't that our approach?

Bmoboy

(270 posts)
65. You can only announce "all clear" once
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:40 PM
May 2021

any future setback, variant, breakout, surge and the "all clear" announcement will be on spin repeat.

Our problem is we let politicians run our political system.

Maybe we shouldn't run things politically.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
86. WTF? You can only call all clear when you are sure nothing bad can happen? That's never!
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:02 AM
May 2021

We can only use the data we have. Not fears about what might happen.

If you are vaccinated you have just under a one in a million chance of dying. 100 million fully vaccinated Americans. Less than 150 deaths.

With those numbers it would be dishonest to tell vaccinated people to keep living like we have been for the past year.

If someone chooses to, good for them. No problem with it. But science does not dictate mandatory usage.

speaknow

(321 posts)
73. I'd say the CDC was going to slow if anything ,
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:10 PM
May 2021

Because of the them moving slow, people that
got fully vaccinated started wondering if the
vaccine work at all. People got vaccinated so they
don't wear a mask can visit family and friends, and
didn't want to get sick or worse.
People that don't get vaccinated and lie that's
there choice and that choice can become deadly
for them.

MLAA

(17,289 posts)
76. I saw a funny meme but can't find it now. It said:
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:20 PM
May 2021

I’m stilling wearing a mask to show I’m not a Republican!

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
83. I have conflicting thoughts
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:46 PM
May 2021

When you really think about it, unless you're wearing an N95, is your mask really doing much?

My point is, the masks kind of feel like a security blanket and now the CDC has abruptly snatched them away like a used Band-Aid. But maybe it is time to rip the masks off and move forward. To get on with life. Maybe it will be okay. I never once donned a mask during the swine flu outbreak. Hell, I went on a cruise that year.

Maybe the unspoken part of the CDC's announcement is that the risk level now is similar to what it usually is with regard to flus and other outbreaks. Some people are more vulnerable than others, obviously.

If or when I decide to go maskless, I will feel pretty vulnerable at first. It will take some getting used to, just like it took time to get used to going out with the mask on. I will miss the ability to walk around almost completely incognito. The masks make it easier to make quick trips to the store without getting dolled up.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
118. Oh come on. The CDC has not "snatched away" our masks.
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:20 PM
May 2021

The CDC is not preventing anyone who wants to wear a mask from doing so. And if you will miss some of the aspects of wearing a mask, just don't stop wearing one. It's not rocket science.

blogslug

(38,000 posts)
85. It's a lot to process, this shift in our collective experience.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:53 PM
May 2021

We had a full year to acclimate to mask-wearing, social distancing and WFH. Long enough for practice to become habit. Take your time. You are here and whatever you've been doing, that's what got you here.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
87. I agree.
Fri May 14, 2021, 12:03 AM
May 2021

We've stuck it out this long - what's another couple of months to make sure the job's done right?

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
100. I support indoor mask mandates for the rest of our lives
Fri May 14, 2021, 09:35 PM
May 2021

Masks not only help to prevent Covid, but also colds, the flu, and a host of other bad things you can catch without wearing one.

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
103. Are you an epidemiologist?
Fri May 14, 2021, 09:59 PM
May 2021

If not, your opinion doesn’t hold much weignt.

People can choose to do what they want here, but we either trust the experts or we don’t.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
120. How can you say we are opening too quickly when the latest science has proved that fully vaccinated
Fri May 14, 2021, 11:23 PM
May 2021

people are protected from contracting the virus about 97% of the time. And on the very slim chance that you do get it the vaccine will prevent serious illness and death virtually 100% of the time. So why would a vaccinated person need a mask? I think you are peddling in fear mongering.

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