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Texas poised to allow unlicensed carrying of handguns (AP)AUSTIN, Texas (AP) Texas is poised to remove one of its last major gun restrictions after lawmakers approved allowing people to carry handguns without a license, and the background check and training that go with it.
The Republican-dominated Legislature approved the measure Monday, sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott, who has said he will sign it despite the objections of law enforcement groups who say it would endanger the public and police.
Gun control groups also oppose the measure, noting the states recent history of mass shootings, including those at an El Paso Walmart, a church in Sutherland Springs, and a high school outside Houston.
Texas already has some of the loosest gun laws in the country and has more than 1.6 million handgun license holders.
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More Republican going off the deep end.
Pas-de-Calais
(9,904 posts)Anyone?
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)RotorHead
(63 posts)...as have occurred in the 19 other states that already have such laws...
Almost nothing.
Seriously, 'Constitutional Carry' has not been a problem in the states that already have it. Why would it be a problem in Texas? Cite your evidence please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Norbert
(6,039 posts)He just needed help with the location of them.
struggle4progress
(118,281 posts)Straw Man
(6,623 posts)Texas is a very populous state. If you think raw numbers are the significant data set, what do you make of the fact the California is #2?
In firearms deaths per capita, Texas is #26 in the nation.
struggle4progress
(118,281 posts)Straw Man
(6,623 posts)Have you read the post that you're responding to?
struggle4progress
(118,281 posts)The state has a culture of killing
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)I'm having trouble keeping track of your goalposts.
As for executions per capita (which is the only relevant figure), Texas comes second to Oklahoma, followed by Delaware in a close third place. Delaware. Do they have a culture of killing too?
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)And their SC declared the DP unconstitutional in 2016. You should probably go back to your NRA training for better whataboutisms. Maybe they updated the workbook?
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)So the Death Penalty Information Center is an NRA affiliate now? Who knew?
DFW
(54,369 posts)If you dont have a machine-readable ID issued by us, you dont get past the receptionist except to be trapped between two security doors that are bulletproof and close enough to each other as to be hazardous to sufferers of claustrophobia.
SmartVoter22
(639 posts)Texas may think this is a good idea, and some think it's not a smart thing to do.
But, humans do get to decide what to do, when to do it and how to manage it.
If a decision pertains to guns, they have every right to set things the way they want.
It will mean Texas does think killing children is just fine, and it's not about 'weighing' one political point against another.
It means little kids are going to die, as a direct result of this one single law.
Period.
multigraincracker
(32,674 posts)Straw Man
(6,623 posts)Vermont allows people to carry without a license. It's not exactly a bloodbath up there. Maybe other factors are involved in the death tolls.
Background checks happen at the point of purchasing the handgun. They're not universal, but perhaps they should be.
New York State has no formal training requirement for a handgun permit. Some counties require it, some don't. A very popular course for those that mandate training is the NRA's Home Firearm Safety course.
Texas used to require a live-fire qualification, meaning that their training requirements were more stringent than New York's. Now, in terms of training, they will be roughly comparable.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)RotorHead
(63 posts)...as a Constitutionally protected Right?
B. May I please see your First, Fourth, Thirteenth and Twenty-Sixth Amendment Permits, proof of background checks, training, testing, and receipts for fees paid to the government?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)You think that is against the 2nd?
Response to USALiberal (Reply #15)
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USALiberal
(10,877 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)is a constitutional crisis that cannot be allowed to stand because "a violation of one right is a violation of ALL rights," but ...
Government action that makes it nearly impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to exercise their Constitutionally-protected right to vote is no big deal.
Well, it's not really funny but it is the height of hypocrisy.
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)is a constitutional crisis that cannot be allowed to stand because "a violation of one right is a violation of ALL rights," but ...
Government action that makes it nearly impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to exercise their Constitutionally-protected right to vote is no big deal.
And here I've been thinking all along that voter suppression was a heinous practice that threatens the foundations of our democracy.
Well, you see, it's not hypocrisy because I don't hold the particular contradictory belief that you are ascribing to me. It is a ... wait for it ... straw man.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)T
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I wonder how long it will take him to come back.
Brother Buzz
(36,420 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)RotorHead
(63 posts)"Texas already has some of the loosest gun laws in the country and has more than 1.6 million handgun license holders."
Quite false, of course. They have desperately hung on to their Jim Crow-era gun laws for decades after other states began rescinding theirs.
www.handgunlaw.us
RotorHead
(63 posts)...in the states that already have it. Why would it be a problem in Texas? Cite your evidence please.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,453 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)It basically just attracts RWers with NRA talking points.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)They could certainly use some fresh blood;they've only had 18 posts in the last 30 days, as compared to 280 in the Gungeon.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Theyre all Trumpers.
Kingofalldems
(38,453 posts)Didn't happen much during 2017-2020.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)It's always such a pitiful display when they show up.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,453 posts)Didn't work, BTW..
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/gun-arrests-jail-time-vary-by-borough-new-york-city/1825450/
Perps plead down and judges release.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)in the country in 2019.
And plenty of people in NY have guns.
Gun laws are nice.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)If someone wants to kill themselves with a gun, I don't have a problem. It's their choice.
More relevant is homicide mortality by state, which is a better proxy for my risk due to others having firearms. Even then, its only a rough proxy, since most murders are by related persons or are murders of people working risky jobs, e.g. night convenience store clerk.
NY State does pretty well, at 15th, but other states with very permissive gun laws do better, e.g. Vermont, with no homicides in 2019.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)themselves a lot more often than those from states with good gun laws then.
Which makes sense.
Again, gun laws are nice.
Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)Nothing wrong with that?