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Nevilledog

(51,197 posts)
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 03:41 PM Jun 2021

Max Boot: The Republican plot to steal the 2024 election



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A nightmare scenario is becoming more likely: A GOP Congress overriding the 2024 presidential election results.

Opinion | The Republican plot to steal the 2024 election
A nightmare scenario is becoming more likely: A GOP-led Congress overriding the 2024 election results.
washingtonpost.com
11:28 AM · Jun 1, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/01/republican-plot-steal-2024-election/


Republicans have spent nearly seven months making bogus charges of fraud in the 2020 election under the banner of “stop the steal.” Now they have segued into a “start the steal” offensive to ensure that they will win the 2022 and 2024 elections — even if most voters once again support the Democratic Party.

The Brennan Center for Justice reports that “between January 1 and May 14, 2021, at least 14 states enacted 22 new laws that restrict access to the vote” and “at least 61 bills with restrictive provisions are moving through 18 state legislatures.” Those bills are designed not to avert nonexistent voter fraud but to avert another election defeat for Republicans — and they are drawing perilously close to that goal.

In Georgia, for example, a new law stipulates that mobile voting stations “shall only be used in emergencies declared by the Governor,” who is a Republican. That will put out of business two “mobile voting units” — a.k.a. buses — that collected 11,200 ballots in Atlanta’s Fulton County in November. Also, under the new law, provisional ballots will no longer be accepted from voters who go to the wrong polling place; 11,120 provisional ballots were counted in November. “Combined,” writes my Post colleague David Weigel, “the ballots cast by both methods are nearly double the margin by which [Joe] Biden won Georgia.”

A new election law in Texas, which has been temporarily blocked by a walkout of Democrats from the state House, would outlaw many of the methods used to increase minority turnout, such as drive-through voting and early voting before 1 p.m. on Sundays (crimping “souls to the polls” events after church services). But the most alarming element of the bill is that it makes it easier to overturn election results even if there is no evidence that fraud affected the outcome.

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Max Boot: The Republican plot to steal the 2024 election (Original Post) Nevilledog Jun 2021 OP
PAGING JOE MANCHIN TomDaisy Jun 2021 #1
Exactly, some of these people should be talking directly to him. Bev54 Jun 2021 #18
Wouldn't that be unconstitutional? Bayard Jun 2021 #2
Unless the 6-3 SCOTUS rules it's not.....big risk hoping the courts will condemn these laws. Nevilledog Jun 2021 #3
Unfortunately, the Constitution gives the states wide latitude in selecting electors. eallen Jun 2021 #4
And some states... SergeStorms Jun 2021 #6
Electors are not chosen by the states, they are chosen by each party PortTack Jun 2021 #13
well shit , with any luck dumpy & moscow mitch will be in bracelets! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #5
Then we get Pompeo or another competent Nazi. Captain Zero Jun 2021 #7
You must be kidding... SayItLoud Jun 2021 #8
URRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #9
THIS DENVERPOPS Jun 2021 #10
They're definitely laying the groundwork. jalan48 Jun 2021 #11
More down in the article about how their own 'steal' gets done... ancianita Jun 2021 #12
You might want to read the electoral count act and how that works PortTack Jun 2021 #14
Thanks. The explanations are twisty-turny, but clear. ancianita Jun 2021 #17
So if this happens, do we get to have our own wnylib Jun 2021 #15
If we don't mind being mown down in the streets. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #25
And then, when we hit the streets, we get to be arrested for insurrection. Efilroft Sul Jun 2021 #16
There are other ways to resist besides the chanting and marching routine. Moostache Jun 2021 #21
No argument here. This isn't politics as usual. Efilroft Sul Jun 2021 #23
This is all so bad that I can't really even focus on the issues. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #19
We've got ONE shot at reclaiming our democracy, a fragile and tenuous one at that Mr. Ected Jun 2021 #20
+1000. nt ecstatic Jun 2021 #24
We had better start thinking about getting secession referenda queued up if they steal 2022. roamer65 Jun 2021 #22

eallen

(2,954 posts)
4. Unfortunately, the Constitution gives the states wide latitude in selecting electors.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jun 2021

It doesn't even require a popular election.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
6. And some states...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 05:10 PM
Jun 2021

want to make it legal for state legislators to overrule the will of the people along with the electors. President by fiat. THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY!

PortTack

(32,793 posts)
13. Electors are not chosen by the states, they are chosen by each party
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 05:53 PM
Jun 2021

In the 18 states currently without faithless elector laws, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would operate in a manner identical to the system that they have been using for over 200 years. In these states (which currently use the state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes), the presidential electors are chosen by the political party whose presidential candidate receives the most popular votes inside the state.

This article is a breakdown of a SCOTUS ruling 7/2020

More at the link

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/14/supreme-courts-faithless-electors-decision-validates-case-for-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact/

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
8. You must be kidding...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 05:25 PM
Jun 2021

Not a chance in hell that either one of them is going to be cuffs by 24 let alone 22. If we base our actions on wishes and dreams like that we are for sure deserving of what we will get. If Biden and Schumer don't start moving and stop with the bipartisan crap it's over as you and I know it. Just sayin...

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
10. THIS
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 05:40 PM
Jun 2021

The Dems need to get serious really quick......now is not the time to take the high road or play patty-cake.
The Repubs are utilizing guerrilla warfare............they are pulling all stops and coming full steam ahead with everything they've got...

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
12. More down in the article about how their own 'steal' gets done...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jun 2021
they will first make their impact felt in 2022.


Off-year elections are always tough for the party in power. This one will be tougher still because of Republican-driven voter suppression, reapportionment and gerrymandering. Dave Wasserman of the Cook Political Report writes that Republicans will have full authority to redraw 187 congressional districts, while Democrats will control just 75. He estimates that redistricting in just four states — Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina — could be enough to deliver the House to Republican control.


Looks like if they have "full authority" to redraw double the number of districts that we have, they actually don't have to 'steal.' Just suppress.

What's worse is at the federal level.

This brings us to a nightmare scenario: a Republican-controlled Congress overturning the 2024 presidential election results to install Trump or a Trump mini-me in the White House. In January, 139 House Republicans and eight Senate Republicans voted not to certify electoral college results in at least one state. Since then, the most prominent GOP opponent of the “big lie," Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), has been purged from the House leadership. Willingness to lie about election fraud has become a litmus test for Republicans, with the implicit threat of mob violence if they don’t go along. Republicans are so scared of Trump and his fanatical followers that most of them just voted against a bipartisan investigation of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

Many congressional Republicans will refuse to certify a 2024 Democratic win in swing states. If Republicans control Congress, they could deny the Democrats an electoral college majority and throw the election to the House — where each state delegation, regardless of population, would cast one ballot. Given that Republicans already control a majority of state delegations, they could override the election outcome. If that happens, it would spell the end of American democracy.


Efilroft Sul

(3,581 posts)
16. And then, when we hit the streets, we get to be arrested for insurrection.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:05 PM
Jun 2021

Doesn't matter if we don't storm the Capitol. Doesn't matter if we occupy the streets.

The Republicans will come after us full-bore if the Democrats in the Senate don't get their act together and change the filibuster rule to put a stop to voter suppression laws AND if the Democratic-controlled Congress or the DOJ doesn't prosecute the real seditionists. This is a 10-alarm fire in the making, and just thinking that if we get out the vote in '22 or '24 or elect more senators to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant is not going to save this country. The Senate Democrats — not us — need to do the job we elected them to do.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
21. There are other ways to resist besides the chanting and marching routine.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:53 PM
Jun 2021

All I am saying is that:

"Hey, hey, Ho, Ho...(insert schmuck's name here) has got to go"
is about as effective as standing in front of a train. It is time to face facts, the protests of the past are no longer even remotely effective.

That only works when the politicians fear the voters throwing them out. Now? You really think that the GQP gives any fucks about how many people might march and protest? They did not care in '02 (Iraq), they did not care in '09 (Banking Implosion), they did not care in '16 (Though the Pink hats were cool), '18 (Parkland...any new gun laws come out of that? nope...) , or '20 (How much REAL police reform has happened? and how much have 'antifa' and 'BLM' become fund raising boogeymen for the right? The two are inversely proportional...)

They do not care right now, they really never cared too much to begin with, but now they are setting up the failed slow motion coup of Trump as the rallying cry for their overt overthrow of democracy.

Anyone readying for resistance without studying insurgencies, financial divestment and guerilla warfare is going to end up in gulags or "disappeared" in the world we are steaming towards right now. It is far scarier than many seem willing to believe.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. We've got ONE shot at reclaiming our democracy, a fragile and tenuous one at that
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jun 2021

The voters foresaw this and came out in droves to push the Democrats over the finish line. Dems took the House, the Senate and the White House. Dems have a mandate to turn back the fascist cancer devouring us from within.

Now is not the time to be politically calculating, ingratiating or bilateral. Now is the time to render a death blow.

Now.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
22. We had better start thinking about getting secession referenda queued up if they steal 2022.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:09 PM
Jun 2021

2024 and 2026 will be the years to vote on them, if we aren’t already in a civil war.

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