Please people: no bedwetting tonight. I don’t care what happens, I’m saying Obama crushed it

[kpete]

Please people: no bedwetting tonight. I don’t care what happens, I’m saying Obama crushed it (football fans: do you find that Corona ad as annoying as I do?).

If Romney stood up there and talked about the right heights of trees for 90 minutes, Jennifer Rubin would say he had Churchillian eloquence and Reaganesque charisma. We can take a page from her book.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/10/16/barack-you-like-a-hurricane/

[TwilightGardener]

1. Do as the Repubs do: declare victory and say the other guy

screwed a dead goat onstage. WHY IS THIS SO HARD??

[el_bryanto]

2. I guess the difficulty is that Democrats/liberals have more integrity than Republicans/conservatoids

I'm not entirely sure that's a bad thing, though.

Bryant

[TwilightGardener]

5. No. It's because we like to wallow, rather than cut throats and win.

[hughee99]

13. I don't know, there's a lot of people here still insisting he won the first debate.

They seem to be okay with it.

[kpete]

3. and it was just a BABY!

[TwilightGardener]

6. OK, that is adorable...

[Tree-Hugger]

40. I want one! n/t

[flamingdem]

8. Hey I am declaring it right now

Obama wins the debate against lying plutocrat traitor Romney

[TwilightGardener]

11. That's the way I see it--Obama's already won with me.

[flamingdem]

15. Let's celebrate

What are we waiting for?

He's the superior candidate and no matter what the pundits say he wins!!!!!

[TwilightGardener]

18. Damn straight--he's been an excellent President, the right man for the times,

and I am proud of him and will proudly cast my vote for him, no matter what.

[one_voice]

34. I'm a ride or die kinda...

gal. Prez O had done a great job. He's a winner in my book. I will defend him against the right wing no matter what, and I'm not afraid to admit that. I will play by the same rules they do. Damn straight.

Ride or die, especially when I know the policies the other side want to put in play take the die part literally.

Besides I'm a Cowboys fan, I know what it means to be loyal.


OBAMA/BIDEN!

[TwilightGardener]

42. That's what it takes.

[Cosmocat]

32. That had better darn well be THEIR mindset as well

as noted, the Rs already know how they are framing the debate, and have people lined up to scream it.

BO's team needs to know what the frame is and have people ready to scream it.

The first debate set the battle grounds for debates in this election - what is said does not matter, beta male performance and spin determine the winner.

[TwilightGardener]

43. Yep, President Obama's camp needs to have good surrogates and SPIN it, baby!

[sharkman25]

4. it will be obvious...one way or the other. n/t

[Bake]

7. Either he will or he won't.

But I can't create an alternate reality if he doesn't. I'm confident he will. But it's up to him. We can't do it for him.

Bake

[TwilightGardener]

9. It's not all up to him. That's bullshit. Your enthusiasm for your candidate, and your

support, sways others.

[Bake]

12. Are you out of your mind?

I enthusiastically support the President. But I'm not the one on stage tonight, and neither are you. None of his supporters are.

It's up to him. He has to perform masterfully. I believe he can. We shall see if he will or not. I'm a realist. I deal in FACTS. If he blows it, I'm not going to proclaim how he "crushed it." We will all know how he does, and so will everyone else. But it's up to HIM.

Bake

[TwilightGardener]

17. Ryan bombed, but the Repubs declared victory and cried foul and mocked Biden--

they didn't go around with pee running down their legs and saying Ryan "shit the bed" and other colorful language I've seen on DU. No, they DEFENDED THEIR GUY and ATTACKED the other side. And the media played along. It's all in the spin.

[randome]

19. So WE should declare victory even if it isn't one?

We need to call it like we see it. Any other way makes us robots.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Yup. That's politics for ya. You CHEER for your guy, and say the other guy

looked like a sorry loser assclown and you wouldn't vote for him if your life depended on it.

[sammytko]

10. I agree

Tweety and ed shultz better stay in line!

[kpete]

16. send a box of kleenex

either way, Tweety will cry...

peace, kp

[K8-EEE]

14. LOL I am going to a movie, out for drinks and tuning out the whole thing including DU!

I wouldn't vote for Rmoney in a trillion years, he is a con man and a liar, am not "undecided" have no reason to go through any of the angst associated with these silly things.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Does cheerleading win games?

I don't think so.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Does it hurt?

I don't think so. And sometimes, enthusiasm and support are even infectious.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Even when undeserved?

Sounds a lot like the "Bury ones head in the sand" philosophy of politicking.

I look at the "debates" the same way I look at commercials. Two brands selling their products. If one does a poor job of selling to the audience that's the problem. Not the problem of the audience.

[TwilightGardener]

25. You can't find and trumpet the positive in someone's performance, even when

you feel it wasn't their best showing? I can--ESPECIALLY when I know that that person is on my side and I need him to win, LOL.

[Cosmocat]

33. Sadly

this one, it does.

maybe not with nobodies like us, but the media, most certainly.

the rules of the game for debates this election were set in the first one - they don't give a rats tail what is said, Alpha male dominance and spin rule the day.

[AsahinaKimi]

23. I am looking forward to tonights debate..

I know it will be different, as a town hall forum, but I am hoping that those who know how to use strategy will give The President the Edge. I want to see him sparkle tonight, like as if it was the 4th of July.

[RepublicansRZombies]

26. but then the media will declare him too sparkly!

and polls will show Americans don't like Presidents who sparkle.

[AsahinaKimi]

28. if

Sparkling is good enough for tinker bell and Disney, its good enough for me!!

[randome]

38. Nice one!

[RepublicansRZombies]

27. It doesn't matter what we do or say, the media will convince America that Romney won

so that when they steal the election, we will all believe that there must have been a bunch of stupid people who voted for him.

No Republicans actually thought Romney won, or Ryan won. They were demoralized. They have no arguments. They are proven liars full of canned talking points and nothing else.

How many people actually know real people who really like Romney?

People who were won over by Romney in that debate?

Anyone?

[Lionessa]

29. Right, because what Dems need to do is dumb down and require others to do the same.

I say BS. Call 'em as you see 'em and do it honestly.

[HangOnKids]

30. Hate That Corona Ad

Stupid and trite, as if that frat boy dork guy ever crushed anything in his life.

[Rose Siding]

31. Prez has the weight of the world on his shoulders. You bet I spot him points!

I'm glad when he gets past worrying about him and his family living through all of this.

He's so smart and kind and good. His plans are solid and I really believe that, although not as liberal as many of us, his heart is way to the left of the many things he has been able to accomplish.

I pray tonight he will be strong and wise. He knows the stakes and counted too heavily on facts and American intellect last time. He trusted that substance carry more weight than any razzle dazzle policy re-writes.

Turns out I like him even more for having taken that approach.

[Cosmocat]

36. I love him

I do, and I think has has been a darn fine president.

He has to ring the bell, whatever that may look like, tonight.

[MrSlayer]

35. That's really the difference I guess. I refuse to deny reality.

That's for the wingnuts to do. I'm confident that the President will be herds better tonight but if he's not I'm calling it as I see it.

[Marrah_G]

39. +1

[TwilightGardener]

41. I refuse to ever hand a Republican a win. Ever.

Because I am a loyal Democrat, and will be until the end.

[MrSlayer]

45. I don't hand anybody anything either.

But I also won't refuse to give credit where it is due. It's an honor thing.

[TwilightGardener]

46. If Obama told the truth when he spoke at the debate, then give him credit.

If he didn't act like an utter jackass, make a gaffe, etc., then give him credit. It's really not that hard to accentuate the positive and still be honorable. And if Mitt Romney lied like a rug and acted like a smarmy salesman, then ALSO say so--shout it from the rooftops.

[Waiting For Everyman]

37. I agree. We are part of the media in a way, and we can influence consensus.

Outside of DU there is also Facebook and Twitter, etc. No matter what the context, there is a lot of good that can be said about Obama, and there is a lot of bad that can be said about Robme. Nobody's integrity needs to get dinged, they each supply a lot of material to use

Or... we can focus on the one thing that Obama could possibly do wrong and the one thing that Robme could possibly do right... is that telling the truth? I don't think so.

[mstinamotorcity2]

44. Thats my philosophy

and I am sticking to it!!!!!!