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MichMan

(11,915 posts)
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:30 PM Jun 2021

Biden administration tells federal agencies they should not require employees to be vaccinated

The Biden administration has told federal agencies that they generally should not require their employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus to work on-site in federal buildings or to disclose whether they are vaccinated.

Employees who disclose they are unvaccinated or refuse to answer a voluntary question about vaccination status should be subject to safety requirements such as mask-wearing and social distancing, new guidance says.

“The Administration strongly encourages all Americans, including Federal employees and contractors, to be vaccinated,” says a Tuesday posting by an interagency task force overseeing pandemic-related policies for the federal workplace. However, “at present, COVID-19 vaccination should generally not be a pre-condition” for federal employees or contractors to work in person, it states, while not specifying possible exceptions.

The new federal workforce guidance — the first government-wide statement of policy on these issues — did not state why the administration has determined that it should not require vaccination.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-administration-tells-federal-agencies-they-should-not-require-employees-to-be-vaccinated-to-work-on-site/ar-AAKSPXA?ocid=msedgdhp
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Biden administration tells federal agencies they should not require employees to be vaccinated (Original Post) MichMan Jun 2021 OP
Things that make me go "wow" Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #1
WTF??? FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #2
Genius Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #3
WTF CentralMass Jun 2021 #4
Well, talk about mixed messages In It to Win It Jun 2021 #5
If true, it's a mistake 🤯 Meowmee Jun 2021 #6
If not vaccinated, they are required to social distance and wear a mask Freethinker65 Jun 2021 #7
Which is it ? MichMan Jun 2021 #9
Looks to me like permitted to ask, Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #13
Sounds like a carrot instead of a stick. Arkansas Granny Jun 2021 #8
Yes though you will of course get those who will lie but they'll be exposing OnDoutside Jun 2021 #18
This is going to be ammunition for all the anti-vaxers MichMan Jun 2021 #10
Well they were stupid enough to be antivax in the first place.... OnDoutside Jun 2021 #19
I don't see a problem with it. RegularJam Jun 2021 #11
You don't see a problem with constantly imploring people to get vaccinated... MichMan Jun 2021 #12
It is better needing than the CDC Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #14
I see zero issue. RegularJam Jun 2021 #16
So you can no-mask or no-vax and can potentially intoduce new varients that will defeat the vax? OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2021 #15
Wow, the mixed messages are terrible liberal_mama Jun 2021 #17
I'm guessing this will change if the vaccines get full approval? soothsayer Jun 2021 #20
I'm headed out to search for a brick wall to knock my head against. Vinca Jun 2021 #21

Freethinker65

(10,016 posts)
7. If not vaccinated, they are required to social distance and wear a mask
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:46 PM
Jun 2021

I kind of understand. While vaccinated employees get to basically return to normal, if you choose to not be vaccinated you still are required to work, you just have to wear a mask and social distance yourself as required pre-vaccinations. This might actually spur more employees to just go ahead and get vaccinated...seeing your maskless coworkers faces enjoying time closer together might change some minds...after all, Trump got vaccinated, etc. Why not just go ahead and do it and join your coworkers.

MichMan

(11,915 posts)
9. Which is it ?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:03 AM
Jun 2021

a) The Biden administration has told federal agencies that they generally should not require their employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus to work on-site in federal buildings or to disclose whether they are vaccinated.

b) Employees who disclose they are unvaccinated or refuse to answer a voluntary question about vaccination status should be subject to safety requirements such as mask-wearing and social distancing, new guidance says.


Are they allowed to ask and is it voluntary or not?

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
13. Looks to me like permitted to ask,
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:36 AM
Jun 2021

Not required to answer. BUT if you don't voluntarily disclose, you are treated presumptively as if you are not vaccinated. If you don't want to wear a mask, have the option of disclosing, and being mask free.

Pretty much what i suggested. Flip the presumption: Everyone is required to wear a mask. BUT you can buy your way to freedom by proving you are vaccinated.

That completely avoids the presumption that you are permitted to go mask free, and eliminated the need to rely on the honor system. Sometimes, framing is everything.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
8. Sounds like a carrot instead of a stick.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:54 PM
Jun 2021

If you're vaccinated, you can work with no mask and no social distancing.

If you're not vaccinated, you can still work, but you have to wear a mask and observe social distancing. It's your choice.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
18. Yes though you will of course get those who will lie but they'll be exposing
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 02:28 AM
Jun 2021

themselves to greater risk. That's their own fault.

MichMan

(11,915 posts)
10. This is going to be ammunition for all the anti-vaxers
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:06 AM
Jun 2021

"See, I'm not getting vaccinated, the government isn't even making its own employees get it. They must not think it is very important"

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
19. Well they were stupid enough to be antivax in the first place....
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 02:32 AM
Jun 2021

Up to this point, everyone was wearing a mask to protect them, now they've got to enter environments where they don't know if the maskless person sitting next to them is vaccinated or an antivaxer asshole like them. The responsibility has shifted to them finally.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
11. I don't see a problem with it.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:15 AM
Jun 2021

It’s the only position to hold considering some states are under 30% vaccinated. No requirement but safety procedures put in place to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.

MichMan

(11,915 posts)
12. You don't see a problem with constantly imploring people to get vaccinated...
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:24 AM
Jun 2021

... and then not making it a requirement for your own people ? (that have to abide by your own workplace rules)

Seems like very poor messaging to me. It would have been a perfect opportunity to set a good example.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
14. It is better needing than the CDC
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 12:39 AM
Jun 2021

Which is presumptively no making.

Here the presumption is that you will mask, until you choose to prove you are vaccinated.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
16. I see zero issue.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:23 AM
Jun 2021

Imploring people to get vaccinated and employment are two completely different things. There is no overlap. It’s not a method of “imploring” people to get vaccinated.

That and you just can’t do it.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,467 posts)
15. So you can no-mask or no-vax and can potentially intoduce new varients that will defeat the vax?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:18 AM
Jun 2021

So this makes everyone safer? How about this? No Vaccine, no work for USG.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
17. Wow, the mixed messages are terrible
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 02:22 AM
Jun 2021

What's going on here? Fauci is on television, worried about the Delta variant, the CDC has allowed anti-mask anti-vax people to run around maskless, and now this.

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