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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 08:41 PM Jun 2021

In 2019 memo, GOP pollster Frank Luntz warned of "deep and growing anger" at the rich

In a 2019 memorandum obtained by Salon, longtime Republican pollster and strategist Frank Luntz reported that "public sentiment about the wealthy has been degrading over the last few years," and that many Americans across party lines believed the ultra-rich were "gaming the system." Luntz's memo, entitled "The War on the Successful," appears to add significant context to ProPublica's recent report that many of the 25 wealthiest Americans paid little or no taxes from 2014 to 2018, with that group paying an average "true tax rate of only 3.4%" per year.

Luntz's memo warns that Republicans need to alter their language and tactics in order to ensure that they keep taxes low on corporations and the rich.

Luntz wrote that he was not "pleased with what we learned" in his research. "Across partisan lines, there is a deep and growing anger that the wealthy are gaming the system."

He reported that the popularity of capitalism was waning fast, calling that "a sad indication of what's happening in our high schools and universities." Public opinion, Luntz wrote, was strongly in favor of raising taxes on the rich, limiting corporate executive pay, providing tuition-free college and universal health care, and paying all working people a "living wage," even when they're not working.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-2019-memo-gop-pollster-frank-luntz-warned-of-deep-and-growing-anger-at-the-rich/ar-AAKYgQa

Have them pay their fair share and fewer people will hate them.

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In 2019 memo, GOP pollster Frank Luntz warned of "deep and growing anger" at the rich (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 OP
"Conservatives should stop using the word "capitalism" and start saying "economic freedom"" dalton99a Jun 2021 #1
That's nothing new. Throughout school as a kid I never heard the word Ron Green Jun 2021 #5
Why don't we have someone like him working for our side? Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #12
So basically he was worried that Americans want what other modern countries have. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2021 #2
But we dont want to tax them the way those countries do oldsoftie Jun 2021 #7
Under a sales tax, we really penalize the poor not the rich. Dan Jun 2021 #8
Maybe a sales tax on high end luxury items. wnylib Jun 2021 #11
We tried that and they put in W. I'm not sure that's the way to do it. Ford_Prefect Jun 2021 #16
The luxury tax was already tried & failed oldsoftie Jun 2021 #19
It seems to work quite well in most other countries oldsoftie Jun 2021 #20
Fuck the rich snowflake I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2021 #3
Luntz is the architect of the Republican drmeow Jun 2021 #4
+1 Dan Jun 2021 #9
Who ever paid for the poll, was an idiot. JoeOtterbein Jun 2021 #6
For a brief moment, I thought Luntz had had a come to Jesus moment. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #10
Nah, it's the same shit as the GQP on environmental issues . . . hatrack Jun 2021 #14
Just think OldBaldy1701E Jun 2021 #13
He's right about ONE thing... WarGamer Jun 2021 #15
I think we present them with 2 distinct possibilities. One involves paying appropriate taxes. Ford_Prefect Jun 2021 #17
The rich have been waging war on us for decades; lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #18
In some dark recess of their self-absorbed minds they may realize... Hugin Jun 2021 #21
The 1% have an enormous war chest to beat us with on messaging. Ligyron Jun 2021 #22

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
1. "Conservatives should stop using the word "capitalism" and start saying "economic freedom""
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 08:44 PM
Jun 2021
Luntz advised a switch in semantics and branding: Conservatives should stop using the word "capitalism" and start saying "economic freedom," argue that hard work and good ideas are what create massive wealth, rather than political, legal and economic advantages, and change the education system — presumably to promote pro-capitalist ideology.

Family Enterprise USA and the lobbying group Policy and Tax Group (PATG) had commissioned Luntz's survey, in an effort to understand the "animus" toward the wealthy and "combat the often wrong perceptions and attitudes surrounding the wealthy."

"The War on the Successful" was paid for by PATG members and distributed by lobbyist Pat Soldano, who ran both organizations. Luntz has worked with PATG for decades and is widely credited for coining the term "death tax" for the right-wing anti-taxation group, which boasts: "Consider our record: We changed the 'estate tax' to the 'death tax' and that changed the course of legislative history."

Luntz has never registered as a lobbyist, but on March 14, 2018, Sodano told PATG members that Luntz was "continuing to help us with our messaging — including as relates to the 'family business exemption' — and will, along with Squire Patton Boggs and McGuire Woods Consulting, continue to support our advocacy efforts this year." Luntz then held a series of meetings in May and June of 2018 with then-Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, who shaped fiscal policy under the Trump administration. In a December 2018 blog post for PATG, Luntz warned, "The Left has been motivated and activated, and as a result, the War on the Wealthy is alive and gaining strength."



Fuck this GOP whore

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
5. That's nothing new. Throughout school as a kid I never heard the word
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 09:48 PM
Jun 2021

“Capitalism.” It was always “The Free Enterprise System.” I didn’t hear the actual term until I learned about Marx.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
12. Why don't we have someone like him working for our side?
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:22 PM
Jun 2021

When is our side going to figure out how important messaging is? It's almost too late.

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
7. But we dont want to tax them the way those countries do
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:37 PM
Jun 2021

We need a sales tax like they use. Then the rich would be paying a LOT more into the system. As well as people like me who never have reported income

Ford_Prefect

(7,904 posts)
16. We tried that and they put in W. I'm not sure that's the way to do it.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:33 PM
Jun 2021

I think they need to pay up front like we do and in proportion to their level of benefit.

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
19. The luxury tax was already tried & failed
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:06 AM
Jun 2021

Unless everything is taxed there's always a work around

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
20. It seems to work quite well in most other countries
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:10 AM
Jun 2021

We have far too many people who pay NOTHING in to our income tax system. And far too many who only claim a small portion of what they actually earn.
Maybe its possible that something like the stimulus checks of a certain amount could be sent out. Then the income level of the poor wouldnt be taxed at all.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
3. Fuck the rich snowflake
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 09:38 PM
Jun 2021

Greedy shits.

They've been fucking over the not rich since this country was founded.

It's class war and the Richies started it.

drmeow

(5,020 posts)
4. Luntz is the architect of the Republican
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 09:44 PM
Jun 2021

double speak since at least Newt Gingrich. He should be one of the first guillotined by the masses.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
6. Who ever paid for the poll, was an idiot.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 10:26 PM
Jun 2021

Everyone knows we all want to raise taxes on the rich.

Do these republics talk to any real people? Ever?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
10. For a brief moment, I thought Luntz had had a come to Jesus moment.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:11 PM
Jun 2021

Very brief. He had no revelation worthy of the name, but a moment of unwelcome clarity that the great unwashed are becoming restive and resentful. Ungrateful peons that they/we are.

Damn, what an annoying bit of reading that was. How in Heaven's name did I ever think that something good was coming from Luntz? Even the GD title of his GD piece is infuriating.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
14. Nah, it's the same shit as the GQP on environmental issues . . .
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:27 PM
Jun 2021

"Oh, here's some language that'll let you appear open to maybe doing something undefined, someday about a collapsing climate, but without raising taxes or inconveniencing anyone in anyway, 'cuz that makes Baby Jesus cry."

OldBaldy1701E

(5,137 posts)
13. Just think
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:26 PM
Jun 2021

of all the money they are going to spend on trying to game the message to save their profits when they could just be fair about it and probably end up paying less. That is some rethug thinking at its best, ain't it?

WarGamer

(12,452 posts)
15. He's right about ONE thing...
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:31 PM
Jun 2021

The bipartisan anger at the filthy rich is growing.

The "Country Club Republican" portion of the Party is nearly gone. And most Democrats already question wtf the wealthy do for their money.

This is a good move. When the Government finally addresses wealth inequality and tax fairness it'll fix LOTS of problems.

Ford_Prefect

(7,904 posts)
17. I think we present them with 2 distinct possibilities. One involves paying appropriate taxes.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 11:35 PM
Jun 2021

The other would involve a side of fries and coleslaw.

Hugin

(33,167 posts)
21. In some dark recess of their self-absorbed minds they may realize...
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 08:24 AM
Jun 2021

They are outnumbered by over a million to one and if those people get together it could become very expensive to be 'rich'.

The former guy almost crapped the bed for them and now they're quietly trying to tiptoe through. Being narcissists and none too bright, it's very difficult for them to do.

Ligyron

(7,636 posts)
22. The 1% have an enormous war chest to beat us with on messaging.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jun 2021

Funded in large part by the money they’re saving by not paying their share of taxes.

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