CDC safety group says there's a likely link between rare heart inflammation in young people -jab

[womanofthehills]

A CDC safety group said there’s a “likely association” between a rare heart inflammatory condition in adolescents and young adults mostly after they’ve received their second Covid-19 vaccine shot, citing the most recent data available.

There have been more than 1,200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 and under who received Pfizer’s or Moderna’s Covid vaccine, according to a series of slide presentations published Wednesday for a meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis is the inflammation of the membrane surrounding the heart.

“Clinical presentation of myocarditis cases following vaccination has been distinct, occurring most often within one week after dose two, with chest pain as the most common presentation,” said Dr. Grace Lee, who chairs the committee’s safety group. CDC officials are gathering more data to fully understand the potential risks, how to manage it and whether there are any long-term issues, she said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

[uponit7771]

1. 1200 cases out of about 200 million shots administered

[FBaggins]

2. Untrue

There haven’t been anywhere close to 200 million males under 30 receiving the vaccine.


Yes… the actual number is still very low, but so is the risk of the disease for that same group

[Zeitghost]

3. 200 Million?

There are not 200M fully vaccinated people under 30.

[lagomorph777]

4. Innumeracy is deadly. 1200 cases of myocarditis, versus tens of millions of COVID hospitalizations.

Yes, we need to figure this out. But it's not a good reason to avoid the vaccine.

[womanofthehills]

11. Majority of hospitalizations and deaths are the elderly

Kids rarely. If you go on VAERS - most deaths are people over 80 yrs old.

[lagomorph777]

13. Yeah, so screw 'em.

Who cares about old people?



Many young people are looking for any excuse to duck out of their social duty. The numbers, even for them, even if they don't give a crap about family or society, don't make sense.

[roamer65]

18. THIS.

[womanofthehills]

24. Children should not be sacrificial lambs for the elderly

When my grandkids come, they know to wear their masks.

[lagomorph777]

26. I agree; they should not be sacrificed to COVID to appease antivaxxers.

The vaccine causes a bad reaction in a tiny percentage of vaccinated young people.
COVID causes sickness or death in a far higher percentage of unvaccinated young people.

And by the way, COVD causes cardiomyopathy. To avoid it, people should get vaccinated.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-and-cardiomyopathy-5115530

300 cases out of 7 million doses to young people (1 out of 23,000); most mild and fully recovered:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/17/1007447098/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditis

The Delta variant is threatening young people, especially those who thought they were invincible to the original COVID-19:
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/delta-variant-dc-dmv/65-2729f417-2066-4b9c-84b0-77664a6c5f0e

https://digital.abcaudio.com/news/missouri-sees-rise-severe-covid-19-cases-among-young-unvaccinated-delta-variant-spreads

[womanofthehills]

7. but ... they are only beginning to vax kids - the numbers can climb fast

If it's your kid, it's one too much. Mother's are online sobbing over their kids with this inflammation. Many have said their boys have to rest for 6 months and take 4 different medicines and many were athletes. Do we really want to see 2 yr olds with heart inflammation at all or on our news feed? Right from the start it was announced that kids would have more severe reactions because of their strong immune systems. Most over 60 that I know barely had reactions or only for a few days. Just 2 friends have lingering reactions - one has total really bad brain fog and twitches about every 10 minutes. She visited me yesterday and it was sad. All my other older girl friends are fine after the shot.

[uponit7771]

8. 30% of 12 - 15 yr olds have had 1 shot & 41% of 16-17 yr olds have had 1 shot this article is

... counting 30 and under.

[roamer65]

5. That means it would have been 10 times worse if they caught the virus.

[womanofthehills]

10. World Health Organization says kids at low risk for getting Covid

Dir Kate O'Brian of WHO's vaccine department:

“Children are at [a] very, very low risk of actually getting COVID disease,” said O’Brien. She said the rationale for immunizing children was to stop transmission rather than to protect them from getting sick or dying.

O’Brien added it wasn’t necessary to vaccinate children before sending them back to school safely.

“Immunization of children in order to send them back to school is not the predominant requirement for them to go back to school safely,” O’Brien said. “They can go back to school safely if what we’re doing is immunizing those who are around them who are at risk.”

[roamer65]

12. Delta and Delta plus?

The virus will continue to evolve for maximum infectability.

[lagomorph777]

14. The variants are hitting kids much harder than the original strain.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/doctors-watch-warily-as-severe-covid-infections-target-kids

https://www.connecticutchildrens.org/coronavirus/what-is-the-new-b117-strain-of-covid-19-and-does-it-more-easily-infect-kids/

[roamer65]

17. Higher affinity for ACE2 receptors means less of them required to sustain an infection.

Children have less of them, but with Delta and Delta plus that will not matter as much.

Eventually this virus will tune itself to infect all humans equally.

That is what endemic viruses do. Exploit all weaknesses available to it, including unvaccinated children.

[Sgent]

27. WHO

is operating under an assumption that there aren't enough vaccines for the 50+.

We know the risks of 18-22 athletes who test positive for the original virus (not Delta, etc.) are fairly high - 2% - for myocarditis (Big10 study).

[forthemiddle]

15. 10 times? What really has the higher risk for teens? Covid or the vaccine?

I seem to remember a multitude of threads about kids coming down with Multisystem inflammatory syndrome, and how worried we all were.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mis-c-in-kids-covid-19/symptoms-causes/syc-20502550
If I had a kid right now, this info would certainly give me pause also.

[liberal_mama]

23. Me too. My kids are all adults now, but if I had younger kids, I might be wary to get them the

vaccine until more is known about this.

[Throck]

6. What's the recovery rate for Covid vs heart inflammation?

For that age group?

[womanofthehills]

9. WHO statement on this

According to the WHO website: “There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults.”

[Ms. Toad]

16. I was awakened this morning with a text from my daughter -

She was in the ER with her boyfriend with severe chest pain - shortly after receiving Pfizer #2. (We coerced him into getting the vaccine, if he wanted to hang around our house without a mask- and pointed him to Pfizer.)

Dang.

No definitive findings - but I lost a few hours of sleep researching what tests needed to be run to rule it out (since he went to the local malpratice factory of a hospital). They had, actually, run the appropriate tests - AND - were aware enough to ask him about the vaccine.

[uponit7771]

19. Damn, I pray it clears up fast

[Ms. Toad]

21. Me too.

He was still in pain when I left, but the hospital had released him.

[struggle4progress]

20. ... The CDC said that patients with heart inflammation following vaccination generally recover

from the symptoms and do well.

The U.S. Department of Health And Human Services, joined by leading U.S. doctors groups and public health officials, put out a statement underscoring that the vaccines are safe and effective and that the heart side effect is "extremely rare."

"We strongly encourage everyone age 12 and older who are eligible to receive the vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization to get vaccinated," it said ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-panel-review-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-2021-06-23/

[Ms. Toad]

22. And - as they approariately did with J&J and the rare clotting disorder -

they are going to add a warning about this condition for the mRNA vaccines.

It may delay the emergency approval for 0-11 year olds, but it is unlikely to delay full approval for individual 16+.

It is interesting to see, publically - in real time - how the FDA/CDC handle new information about a product that is already in use. It's working pretty much as I expected it would - but people who (apparently) haven't been personally impacted by a medication or vaccine they are taking having newly discovered side effects don't seem to be handling it as well.

[womanofthehills]

25. But ...the parents say the kids are on on 5 different meds

And need to rest for 6 months - no sports allowed. It can come back - my girlfriend has had pericarditis 3 times.