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Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:33 PM

Oh my!!! If this is true about suit against trump there must be a god!!!


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Reply Oh my!!! If this is true about suit against trump there must be a god!!! (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 OP
SheltieLover Jun 2021 #1
soldierant Jun 2021 #51
LiberalLovinLug Jul 2021 #111
soldierant Jul 2021 #113
Treefrog Jun 2021 #2
RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2021 #21
Escurumbele Jun 2021 #58
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #68
stopdiggin Jun 2021 #73
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #89
stopdiggin Jun 2021 #93
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #94
RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #109
sarcasmo Jul 2021 #117
RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #118
jmbar2 Jun 2021 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #18
Hoyt Jun 2021 #4
Effete Snob Jun 2021 #6
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #19
Effete Snob Jun 2021 #23
mahina Jul 2021 #100
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #11
Hoyt Jun 2021 #15
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #54
KS Toronado Jul 2021 #104
Tommy Carcetti Jun 2021 #14
OverBurn Jun 2021 #59
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #105
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #106
OverBurn Jul 2021 #120
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #121
Caliman73 Jun 2021 #31
certainot Jun 2021 #55
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #103
certainot Jul 2021 #110
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #112
certainot Jul 2021 #114
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certainot Jul 2021 #116
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #119
Effete Snob Jun 2021 #5
SheltieLover Jun 2021 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #20
Effete Snob Jun 2021 #24
stopdiggin Jun 2021 #75
yonder Jun 2021 #33
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #7
SheltieLover Jun 2021 #9
uponit7771 Jun 2021 #10
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #13
Effete Snob Jun 2021 #16
SoonerPride Jun 2021 #12
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Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #85
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George II Jun 2021 #27
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Justice matters. Jun 2021 #60
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Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #66
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Ocelot II Jun 2021 #70
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Ocelot II Jun 2021 #77
stopdiggin Jun 2021 #78
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #81
stopdiggin Jun 2021 #92
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #95
stopdiggin Jul 2021 #96
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Stuart G Jun 2021 #63
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #72
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Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #91
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Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #83
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Ocelot II Jun 2021 #87
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:35 PM

1. Is there a way to confirm?

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:25 PM

51. It would be wonderful if he could be nailed under the 14th somehow

because it would really help this petition succeed:

https://freespeechforpeople.org/amendment-14-section-3-petition/

Bu t I have no idea how valid a compaint it is.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:22 PM

111. I was hoping someone would highlight this particular crime. Near genocide against his own people.

I don't know why the MSM is not making a bigger deal that this. 7000 Americans died because of the previous Republican war criminals with an unnecessary, illegal invasion of Iraq. The number here doesn't even compare.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/lancet-study-40-percent-u-s-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-avoidable-unnecessary.html

Lancet Study Finds 40 Percent of U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Could Have Been Avoided

The British medical journal the Lancet, on Wednesday, published a damning assessment of Donald Trump’s presidency and its impact on Americans’ health, concluding that 40 percent of the nearly 500,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the past year were avoidable.


And that was written when the death toll was "only" 500,000. Now its over 600,000. So what's 40% of 600,000? About 250,000? Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters....so many avoidable deaths. 250,000

I think there should be a class action suit from all the folks that can claim that a family member, or friend died because they followed their dear President's example.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #111)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:12 PM

113. A big part of what's standing in the way is that

it's next to impossible to get most people, and especially Republicans, to internalize that a sin (or a crime) of omission is a real sin (or crime) with real consequences for which someone is really personally responsible.

If they were ablt to internalize that, they'd have to look at a lot of things they really, really don't want to look at. Like, but not limited to, racism.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:36 PM

2. Well, if it's a tweet, it must be true, right?

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:57 PM

21. It's a Tweetsuit and the president of Twitter can decide the case

I don't see this getting much traction, too much space between him and the decisions he made.

Granted he pretty much killed tons of people with his stupid decisions...Blame the voters of 2016

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:03 PM

58. "not much space between him and the decisions..." Have you listened to the Bob Woodward tapes?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "too much space between him and the decisions he made.", how can there be too much space between the decisions that a person makes and the person? The own the decisions.

If the decisions are by him, they are very close to him.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:35 PM

68. How do you think a defense would roll out for his

Statement that he didn't want people to panic? Strikes me that if you weighed people panicking and maybe not going to work? Or fighting for food in the grocery store? Against 140,000 people dying? The scales would certainly tip toward the massive death. And that's not counting the continuation of rallies and mocking mask wearing. Maybe the mocking of mask wearing and calling it a hoax is what he should be sued for?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:27 PM

73. so you're saying a strong chance for success?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:20 PM

89. Yes, in an acceptable, more valid case.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #89)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

93. there's an old saying: "If wishes and buts, were candy and nuts .."

"we'd all have a very merry Christmas!"
The whole premise is a wild flight of fancy. I hope you've enjoyed your evening.
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #93)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:49 PM

94. Sure.. rude naysayers and all!!!

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #58)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:32 PM

109. Trump is a crook like Nixon

and just like Nixon he knows how to create space between himself and the crime


Gordon Liddy went to Jail Nixon didn't, even though Nixon ordered the crime.
Michael Cohen went to jail Trump didn't , even though Trump ordered the crime.

People who can be between Trump and this decision are Birx and Atlas

I am not saying Trump doesn't own the deaths, he does, but he has enough insulation to keep any of this from sticking to just him

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #109)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:13 AM

117. No Nixon fan but Nixon would have worn a mask.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #117)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:36 AM

118. I agree fully, if Trump was not so vain he would have been reelected

if he had not been so quick to deny the masks and had just worn one and told everybody to wear one, more people would be alive and he would still be in the white house.

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:49 PM

18. I didn't see any covid class action listed. Did I miss it?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:39 PM

4. Anyone want to bet on the success of this suit or date of dismissal?

 

Sorry, I'm a pessimist.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:40 PM

6. It's a bullshit pro se piece of junk filed back in February

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:52 PM

19. Tweet says 75 parties.... This docket only 19. Maybe

The case was refiled? Or different?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:59 PM

23. It's the same case


I think it depends on how you count. There's a bunch of names in the complaint, and a bunch of names in the March "letter" to the court.

Far be it from me to argue with some tweet.

But we are talking about the same case:




That's the lead plaintiff - Arnett Thomas - a convicted kidnapper and murderer who spent decades in prison.

Filing lawsuits becomes a hobby for some people in jail, and they file some doozies.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 02:12 AM

100. Who said the English translation of Pro Se is

“You lose?”

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:44 PM

11. I hear ya Hoyt. I'm just going to walk away from my computer and make believe

That this is really true and will really get major traction. If you lost somebody it feels like some small sense of retribution

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:47 PM

15. Sincerely hope I'm wrong. trump deserves the worst.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:39 PM

54. At my dear is probably the truest statement ever made.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:41 AM

104. If this lawsuit gets no traction.......

The bright side is it'll point lawyers into a direction that would be more favorable to finding him guilty in the
next & next & next lawsuits. Just hope this paints him and all reQublican congressmen as being unable or
unwilling to lead this country during a crisis.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:47 PM

14. "Sorry, I'm a pessimist."

Ya think, man?

Even Charlie Brown's telling you to look at things a little more half-full.

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:13 PM

59. Me Too.

There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist, except an old optimist.
-Mark Twain

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Response to OverBurn (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:49 AM

105. Twain quote

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Response to OverBurn (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:52 AM

106. Maybe this ?

The man who is a pessimist before 48 knows too much; if he is an optimist after it he knows too little.
Mark Twain

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #106)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 02:41 PM

120. Yes, I was going to put that one at first. Twain has a lot of great quotes.

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Response to OverBurn (Reply #120)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 03:05 PM

121. Yes! One for everyone:)

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:31 PM

31. Fellow pessimist here.

I have no legal training so my opinion is worth as much as the paper it is printed on...

Anyone can file a law suit but there is no way that a court will decide in favor of the plaintiffs. That is like saying that we can sue LBJ for getting us into Vietnam by lying about the GoT incident and killing 58,000 Americans.

It is completely understandable and it is Trump's fault through incompetence and malfeasance, but proving that in a court of law, I think, would be a long shot.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:40 PM

55. maybe not this one but there will be plenty of evidence trump WANTED

the pandemic to get worse if the right people are asked the right questions. are there witnesses that heard trump tell limbaugh to keep calling it a hoax, for instance.

it goes back to republicans/limbaugh weaponizing the 2014 ebola scare as an october surprise to turn 9 senate seats. he actually attacked obama at the time for letting immigrants in, with ebola. when he was getting intel briefings did he ask for worst case scenarios and how it might help him call for emergency powers, delay elections, etc. how was he relating COVID with all the post office shenanigans? after he nearly died and got cured with the special sauce how can he justify continuing to say its no big deal?

imo the evidence is there if the investigators assume the worst. and of course he’s capable. life is a game of golf to him. one hole after another. he has no imagination or empathy, he just visualizes a goal and goes for it.

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Response to certainot (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:33 AM

103. I read a better explanation of this filing than the tweet above

which misquoted with trump acting "unwillingly." It is purported that it was the public who were unwilling participants in trump's goal to strive for herd immunity.

It's a very interesting claim I hadn't really thought about. That once trump knew the virus was deadly and airborne, he chose two options...get a vaccine quickly and encourage/hope for herd immunity. The latter makes sense. What better way to strive for herd immunity than to do everything you could to ensure people got it versus didn't get it. Keep holding mass super spreader rallies. Mock those who wore masks. Don't wear a mask yourself. Call it a hoax.

As many have pointed out this case may not go anywhere. Despite this, it's underlying rationale for his actions actually make sense.

What he absolutely did not chose was to protect the public. Guess he must have thrown this idea out. Because it would hurt the economy which is a reflection on him and his ego?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #103)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:54 PM

110. i'm thinking he was thinking herd immunity as an end result of letting/helping the virus wipe out

millions of poor and brown people around the world who couldn't afford the vaccines and meds the trump org had a piece of. in the meantime the emergency would help him push through all sorts of fascism

herd immunity without heavy use of vaccines means a lot of death and misery but the right wing was selling it on cue. i'll bet when trump heard herd immunity could eventually end it without killing billons he was really disappointed.

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Response to certainot (Reply #110)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 04:49 PM

112. Wow what you said makes me think this whole Covid/trump plan

was WAY more nefarious than I had even imagined.

I could never understand how he could have said he didn't want to alarm the public that the virus was airborne and deadly and then go on to undermine it all. No masks, hoax, super-spreader events. Made zero sense.

But then this supposed schmuck files a class action and now I actually think the rationale makes the most sense! He opted to strive for herd immunity and rush the vaccine. And he even put the lives of his followers into it.

And then the lives of blue state citizens along with any of his followers that live there.

And then like you said...the lives of people around the world who couldn't afford a vaccine. Just like our brains automatically go to how we can help people. His brain automatically goes to how can we lower "their" vote and erase poor minorities from the world.

This man is the worst human being on earth. Mismanagement of covid response? only the tip of it. Too bad people questioned his china ban. If it wasn't for that, we might have been more on top of this travesty.

And, except for losing the election, he got away with it.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #112)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 05:50 PM

114. i remember in sampling limbaugh early into it he cited some 'expert' touting herd immunity

as the solution. that writer could have been a kremlin tool.

meanwhile the experts were pointing out ignoring it for herd immunity without vaccines and effective treatments could kill countless millions, not to mention the long term effects. that would be much more attractive to FG than all the complications and uncertainty and detail involved in actually thinking about trying to reduce the casualties, not to mention the moneymaking and authoritarian opportunities.

there are probably witnesses to some of those conversations, such as those between limbaugh and FG where FG wants limbaugh to call it a hoax, then sell herd immunity, politicize mask wearing, etc.

there's a lot to investigate and dems and media need to assume the worst from trump and get over calling it incompetence, etc - he is clearly capable. and also the russian angle - talk radio is big both in brazil and india, for instance. were the rw radio stations there using the same talking points and memes?

every advertiser, university, and pro sports team using rw radio shares responsibility and they have no excuse not to look for apolitical alternatives.

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Response to certainot (Reply #114)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:40 PM

115. That is all very fascinating to me. I haven't proved it

yet, been meaning to. But do you think the claim that Democrats may have (rightly so) questioned the FG about his China ban, made the entire subject one to avoid?

Have to say one thing, there is an unnamed source that worked with Jared on the covid committee that claims he absolutely knew what he was doing when they transferred covid response from the feds to the states. Wonder who it is?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #115)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:09 AM

116. the china ban was what limbaugh made it and remade it. the china ban was a political move for trump

that ramped up so now we have an asian racism problem. blame the disaster on china instead of russia and GOP and trump pushing 1500 radio stations licensed to operate in the public interest to tell millions every day that it'ss a hoax, or overblown, or masks are for democrat sissies.

it makes a difference in prevention and science to know where it came from but blaming china for trumps's pandemicidal inaction is just sex on the wrong brain authoritarian bullshit

as long as dems allow 1500 radio stations to dominate messaging in the US it really doesn't matter what dems do or say unless they get 'lucky' with some major accident or tragedy or other event rw radio can't spin immediately

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Response to certainot (Reply #116)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:48 AM

119. Agree!! Your last paragraph hits the nail on the head.

And it's so much more than just RW opinion. It's orchestrated brainwashing with alternative "facts" . I know two wing nuts who were brainwashed early on to believe that CNN is all fake news. They have even blocked the channel on their TVs. I think this is an important piece to making it all work. Never hearing anything different than what they are trying to espouse.

And some of this bleeds out too. When we have no effective means to reach large audiences to correct the record. Until this moment I even thought Harris or Biden may have said early on that the covid travel ban was xenophobic. Where that was twisted from:


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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:40 PM

5. "True" as in "did someone pay $350 for a dumb piece of performative litigation?"

Yeah....

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59679150/thomas-v-trump/

Off to a rousing start:

Feb 24, 2021

CLERK'S QUALITY CONTROL MESSAGE - The 1 Complaint Received submitted by ARNETT L. THOMAS on 2/19/2021 does not contain a signature. Please submit a signed copy of the Complaint to our Office as soon as soon as possible. (bt, )

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Incidentally, it was filed back in February and the plaintiff has not even requested a summons, let alone served the suit. Plaintiff didn't even respond to the clerk's request for a signed copy of the complaint.

Someone just found this turd sitting there, going nowhere for months, and decided they wanted some Twitter love.

It will get tossed off of the docket when the court gets around to it, since it is already well overdue for dismissal for non-prosecution.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:42 PM

8. Darn!

Ty for info, Effete.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:54 PM

20. You know I get that you don't think it's legally sound but your tone is very offensive to me

Think should modify because a whole shitload of good people died because of this asshole

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:03 PM

24. And the plaintiff in the case is a murderer

Tell me about the people who died because of him.

The tweet is touting a pro se "class action" filed by a murderer back in February, which is already over the time limit for service or any other sign of moving forward under the federal rules.

The tweet is an irresponsible piece of clickbait based on a piece of months-old junk that is typical of pro se prison litigators, and is a disservice to people who take it at face value. It is irresponsible and abusive of the trust of the large number of followers that account has.

Anyway, I researched the tweets, found the original source materials, and provided them here so that anyone who found the tweet interesting would have access to the complete facts on which the tweets were based.

Along the way I found it disappointing that someone with that many Twitter followers would be so abusive of their trust and not provide complete factual information. That's offensive to me.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:32 PM

75. +1. and thanks. (nt)

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:34 PM

33. Thanks for this.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:41 PM

7. Unfortunately that's not likely to go anywhere,

not the least of which is that there are some very specific requirements for maintaining a class action, and they are not easy to meet. Most attempted class actions are not certified. This one won't be either.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:43 PM

9. Ty, Ocelot

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:43 PM

10. The DOJ will file in his favor under Westfall and I'm 100% positive a judge will have to decide

... whether or not DOJ can be made defend him.

This is going to get bad before it gets good but this is ... MUCH MUCH ... needed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:45 PM

13. It won't get that far.

It's a lame attempt by a pro se litigant and it won't meet the requirements for certifying it as a class.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:47 PM

16. He honed his skills in prison though


https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/04/nj-man-who-spent-decades-in-prison-sues-donald-trump-over-criminal-handling-of-covid-outbreak.html

N.J. man who spent decades in prison sues Donald Trump over ‘criminal’ handling of COVID outbreak


Thomas says the 29-page lawsuit was the result of years of paralegal classes he took in state prisons, where found himself as a repeat offender for decades, he said.

“I was in prison for 21 years and I have 21 years out,” Thomas said. “My worst day out here is better than my best day in prison.”

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:45 PM

12. This is a nonstarter.

It will go nowhere.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:48 PM

17. More info here


https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/04/nj-man-who-spent-decades-in-prison-sues-donald-trump-over-criminal-handling-of-covid-outbreak.html


N.J. man who spent decades in prison sues Donald Trump over ‘criminal’ handling of COVID outbreak


Thomas says the 29-page lawsuit was the result of years of paralegal classes he took in state prisons, where found himself as a repeat offender for decades, he said.

“I was in prison for 21 years and I have 21 years out,” Thomas said. “My worst day out here is better than my best day in prison.”

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:01 PM

57. Oh, a jailhouse lawyer.

Wonderful.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 04:58 PM

22. Rumsfeld was never held accountable

I doubt the orange fascist will be either

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Response to Skittles (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

85. And he died today

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:08 PM

25. Unwillingly? More like willingly! nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:12 PM

26. Gods and Goddesses,....

A very diverse and mixed crowd we got here.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:16 PM

27. I like the idea, but I'm afraid it will go nowhere.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:24 PM

28. I hope they leave him in a barrel, but they won't.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:25 PM

29. click bait... this is so vague even I can see that much.

so many lawsuits with so much more evidence than what this tweet seems to promise, like the poster above said: too much much space between threat and evidence.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:46 PM

40. I personally think the single statement which is on tape

During his interview with Woodward is what I would base a case on. It's irrefutable. He said he chose not to warn anyone when he knew it was airborne and deadly. People died early on because they weren't warned. I read somewhere that people attributed 140,000 lives to him for this period.

If someone can do this without any type of punishment at all then something is seriously wrong with our legal system duh

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 07:48 AM

101. I completely agree, and yes there is a lot wrong with our legal system

especially wrt to organized crime, headed by and at the behest of a crime boss-real estate mogul, installed as President of the United States and allowed to continue with his criminal enterprises with absolutely no legal consequences whatsoever, never mind political.

and this is beyond heartbreaking, imo.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:30 PM

30. Let me pour myself a drink

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:34 PM

32. That's the spirit!!!! ❤️

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:34 PM

34. Not a chance of succeeding, based on the complaint.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:37 PM

35. I hope the plaintiffs lawyer isn't expecting to be paid, lol...

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:40 PM

36. I hope

Trump’s lawyers don’t expect to get paid either.

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:41 PM

37. lol... I think a Judge will toss it the first time it sees light of day.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:51 PM

43. There isn't one. The plaintiff filed pro se.

Lawsuits filed pro se are usually hopeless because if they had any real merit a real lawyer would have taken them on (sometimes even real lawyers file stupid lawsuits, as we have seen; but they get shot down fast, too). Class action suits are especially difficult and require much more work (and jumping through legal hoops) than regular lawsuits, which is why they are almost always filed by large law firms with vast resources - they can be lucrative for the lawyers, but a pro se plaintiff is doomed from the start.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:53 PM

45. This is akin to a class action lawsuit against HBO

For people missing work Monday morning after Game of Thrones episodes...

And I appreciate the Lawyer angle! Thanks

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:14 PM

47. Oh come now....


Are you seriously suggesting that the "Fired TX Lawyer" is not going to get the WDTX to order up a new presidential election?

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59673930/bravo-v-pelosi/

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:43 PM

38. Not going to succeed

But it’s hilarious the reaction it’s causing in all the usual suspects

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:49 PM

42. Me? If yes, I need him to be held accountable in some

way to heal. I am sure hundreds of thousands may feel the same way

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:22 PM

50. No

Referring to people who seem offended that this lawsuit was even filed

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:35 PM

53. Okay you would think it would be prefaced with at least a

" there's nothing in this world I'd rather see than for him to be held accountable for his horrendous actions but..."

Same thing happened before impeachment#1,. It was never a point by point pros and cons of doing it. Nor was it ever prefaced with wanting to hold him accountable. Just NO

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:44 PM

39. There are laws shielding presidents

from liability due to official actions as president. This lawsuit won't succeed.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:48 PM

41. Guess negligent homicide is one of them?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:56 PM

46. How many presidents have killed?

Virtually all of them. Who has been subject to civil suit? Not one. When was LBJ successfully sued? Reagan? Bush? Never. This is the kind of feel good thing that excites some and goes no where. The whole thing is absurd. The courts have been clear about this. Indulge your day dreams if you want. It's going no where.

This is Fitzmas all over again.

The possibilities for Trump paying for his actions are in New York state. And even there they are pulling their punches. Presidents literally get away with murder and have countless times in US history. There is a reason the US is not a signatory to the Hague.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:19 PM

48. Doesn't seem comparable to war to me. You may like this opinion

piece on civil and criminal charges for Covid.

It's interesting how they talk about getting kushner for his actions

https://theconversation.com/prosecute-donald-trump-for-coronavirus-crimes-no-but-maybe-jared-kushner-146510

On April 2, 2020, shortly after Trump’s conversations with Woodward, the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, announced that he would be helping Vice-President Mike Pence’s coronavirus task force with supply issues. Kushner also pledged to “think outside the box.”

He did deliver a cache of N-95 masks to New York City. Yet Kushner’s outside-the-box thinking also brought a sudden shift in pandemic responsibilities from the national government to the various states. The task force also seems to have nixed its own plan for nationwide testing.

These decisions were objectively disastrous. Unable to draw on federal resources, states competed with one another for equipment. Testing lagged for crucial weeks, resulting in more infections and dead Americans.

At the time of these events, Kushner and some other members of the task force —among them a Morgan Stanley executive and a Silicon Valley billionaire — were not elected officials. They were private citizens who, despite having no public health expertise, had assumed a specific responsibility to protect American citizens from the pandemic. They failed to do so.

According to a health official who worked closely with Kushner’s team, this failure was deliberate


More at link

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:41 PM

79. I don't think it is comparable to war either.

The number one responsibility of the President is to provide for the safety of the American people. Trump LIED repeatedly. Not only was he willfully negligent, it was wreckless. The result more than 800,000 dead people. So much pain, so much injustice for us little people. A fucking ridiculous thing to defend.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #79)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:52 PM

82. Is it really 800k now? Wow.. CNN doesn't show the body count

anymore.

You are absolutely right about protecting the people. I once read some writings from founders during the time they debated the impeachment clause. That was a very important thing to many... What if a president creates harm to the country's citizens.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #82)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:03 PM

86. I guess nothing. A President can willfully kill his own citizens. That is what occurred.

We all heard the Woodward tape.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #86)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:18 PM

88. And people wonder why some of us are demoralized. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:21 PM

90. 💔👆🏻

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 05:53 PM

44. Sorry. By some of these comments it appears god remains dead.

But we can still hope for some smiting or the wrath of god.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:21 PM

49. It made me happy for a couple minutes anyway.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:31 PM

52. Yeah. I know what you mean.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 06:50 PM

56. I have never understood why Trump wasn't very legitimately sued for the hundreds of thousands

of deaths he caused. The mortality rate from his negligence, lethal leadership, undermining of sound medical practice can be calculated. He caused deaths, he, himself personally.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:17 PM

60. He KNEW how deadly and contagious it is and the evidence is ON TAPE

BEFORE he went to declare it's all A HOAX... 15 cases and will soon go down to 0!

It will disapear with the SUN in the spring. Yeah. He used it as a political weapon against the Dems.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS preventable deaths and he walks out making stupid rallies scot free???

Lock him up.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:18 PM

61. Amen!

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:52 PM

66. All points to economy. He has to keep his rallies going

and downplay it all to keep the economy from failing? My guess for his defense ?

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:24 PM

62. Or at least TRIED!!!!! I've often wondered about how he said he was worried

about people panicking if he told everyone. Can't think of anything other than people maybe refusing to go to work? Economy over people? Or swarming groceries? Shit I'd bring up that he continued to have his stupid hate rallies. That was negligence for sure.

And we didn't even impeach him for this

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:23 PM

70. Because presidents are immune from civil suits against them

for acts done in their capacity as president. Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982).

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:25 PM

71. Is negligent homicide a civil offense? If so, that stinks!!!

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:38 PM

77. Negligent homicide is a crime under most state laws, and

a crime under federal law (the statute calls it second-degree murder) only when it occurs in the violation of federal law or on federal land or territory. But no prosecutor is going to charge TFG for murder or manslaughter on account of the pandemic. There is a lot of lower-hanging legal fruit.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:40 PM

78. does immunity really mean immunity ? -(nt)-

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #81)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:38 PM

92. we're on the same page

this is kind of a silly topic. I'm sorry that I've spent the time I already have on it.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #92)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

95. Yep, trying to hope that a criminal is brought to justice

Is an incredible waste of time. Luckily you still have time to go to the garage and find a cure for acid rain.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:02 AM

96. hoping doesn't make things remotely plausible

or change what is real. Sometimes the unvarnished truth is a better serum than gallons of foolish but misguided optimism. What you are attempting to advance here is the latter.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #96)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:09 AM

97. Just go away, please!!!!!!..

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:31 PM

63. What really matters is that the lawsuit was filed..It will take a long time one way or another..&

this will cost Trump a whole lot..The people that filed this, know what to do and how to do it...

And Donald Trump doesn't have a clue...He will pay more in lawyer's fees than he can imagine..
And after a while, he will not be able to raise money....

Why?...Trump will be indicted soon, and that will take him down...This is not an impeachment. Trump will
not settle this lawsuit, and the people that filed won't allow it to be settled..

........So, it ain't over till it is over.........AND IT AIN'T OVER...!!!!!! ......

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:27 PM

72. No, it won't. It won't go anywhere because of the Supreme Court decision

that presidents are immune from civil liability for acts taken in their capacity as president, and the guy who filed this lawsuit clearly doesn't know what he's doing (pro se litigants usually don't). Trump might be indicted for other things - and I hope he is - but this lawsuit will crash and burn on takeoff.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #72)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:32 PM

74. Thank You for your information...I didn't know about that Supreme Court Decision...Thank You Again..

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:22 PM

91. Wow, you are kind of like a nice person, huh :)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:36 PM

64. Buying a round of bleach and hydroxychloroquin for the entire orange administration. Salute MF'ers

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:47 PM

65. Cool. I'll sit here, and hold my breath till trump loses that suit.

C'mon...it's not happening.

the slobfather hasn't even been indicted yet on stuff that's easy to figure out.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:02 PM

67. There can and should still be a suit but "unwillingly" and "experiment" don't bode well to win. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:50 PM

69. Yes, it's true.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:37 PM

76. tr*** "unwillingly used"??? Very sloppy writing.

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Response to niyad (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:55 PM

83. Agree. But unwittingly doesn't fit either. It's the

public who were unwillingly used.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:52 PM

80. Nixon v. Fitzgerald


This 5 - 4 decision by the Supreme Court establishes that the President is entitled to absolute immunity from legal liability for civil damages based on his official acts.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:57 PM

84. Yup. Official act? Whether or not to warn public

of airborne deadly virus. Is that an official act?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 30, 2021, 11:16 PM

87. Absolutely.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:16 AM

99. TRUMP FOR LIFE!!! IN PRISON!!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 07:59 AM

102. Unfortunately

All his comments and actions are executive privilege and are protected. US Attorneys would have to defend on this, meaning you and I will flipping the bill.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:03 AM

107. Where do I sign on?

I don’t want the money as much as the history to fully relate the truth about the mass murdering fascist shitbag.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #107)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:11 PM

123. I know we need a citizens brigade! Should at least be a day of protest across the country

Some consolation

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:33 AM

108. So when does tRump's golden seal burst?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 03:10 PM

122. I don't usually, but I have been praying for this to happen--and succeed

good luck to all the families.

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