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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 10:10 AM Jul 2021

Sunrise Movement just stole Pete Buttigieg & Pres Biden's Climate Corps.

Biden commended & approved Buttigieg's Nat'l Service Policy Plan for a Civilian Climate Corps.
In January, Sunrise tried to take credit for it. And then a few days ago they staged a protest against Biden, demanding that he do the thing he already said he was doing, and their protest got a bunch of their Sunrise members arrested








Climate Corps was right there in Buttigieg’s National Service plan.
Perhaps Momentum Movement could acknowledge this rather than sending their Sunrise youth Movement out to the streets & waiting media, & claming credit for something that was long written into a thorough policy plan be Pete Buttigieg, back in 2019.




https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/07/03/buttigieg-national-service-2020-1396600?__twitter_impression=true

Buttigieg introduces national service plan
The Navy veteran has emphasized national service as a way of bringing Americans together.


07/03/2019
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Seems to be a pattern with this youth movement..
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Sunrise Movement just stole Pete Buttigieg & Pres Biden's Climate Corps. (Original Post) Budi Jul 2021 OP
The Sunrise Movement has opposed the Biden Administration comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #1
Sounds Like A Congressional Republican, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #3
Indeed the dishonesty displayed by both groups is staggering. comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #13
Certainly, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #16
An apt comparison. comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #46
+1 rogue emissary Jul 2021 #36
Yeah, how does that work? Cha Jul 2021 #25
i tend to think these people are just a sham. mopinko Jul 2021 #2
K&R betsuni Jul 2021 #4
:) Of course. Those who seek followings but have no achievements Hortensis Jul 2021 #5
... Me. Jul 2021 #7
They seem upset that what they work for isn't happening instantly. Welcome to US politics, Kids ! Progressive Jones Jul 2021 #6
Some followers maybe. The leaders aren't so stupid. Hortensis Jul 2021 #8
The first earth day was 50 years ago. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #24
Nobody said that. betsuni Jul 2021 #26
The only way for politicians to get anything done is to win their elections. How many endorsees.... George II Jul 2021 #30
Sunrise Movement is obviously not "grassroots." Democrats are the progressives, and betsuni Jul 2021 #32
"The kids" aren't coming up with this on their own, there are adults directing AND financing them. George II Jul 2021 #28
one wonders how many of these alleged kids drive around in gas powered cars and recharge msongs Jul 2021 #45
weird. msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #9
They're closely affiliated with Justice Democrats, in fact have comingled founders and officials. George II Jul 2021 #14
These people are freakin' idiots. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #10
Looks so much like the 09 pony crews uponit7771 Jul 2021 #11
uh huh.. we were Cha Jul 2021 #27
Sunrise Movement isn't a "youth movement", it's an adult movement that uses teenagers.... George II Jul 2021 #12
Thank-you JohnSJ Jul 2021 #15
Example of one of the youths Politicub Jul 2021 #17
.... George II Jul 2021 #21
Exactly.. TY Cha Jul 2021 #29
I will say it again mcar Jul 2021 #18
Exactly JohnSJ Jul 2021 #19
They have NEVER protested republicans. This is the third well-publicized protest they've conducted.. George II Jul 2021 #20
Might be an astroturf group being funded by Republicans.... TheRealNorth Jul 2021 #22
That's a good question mcar Jul 2021 #23
Excellent question! What Cha Jul 2021 #31
If these young adults voted for Democrats mcar Jul 2021 #33
Most if not all of the demonstrators are too young to vote. George II Jul 2021 #34
Maybe so, but in many states teens can pre register when they are 17 mcar Jul 2021 #39
Yes We Would! But, Cha Jul 2021 #35
They don't know anything. I'm embarrassed for them. betsuni Jul 2021 #37
Glad to see the arrests. BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #38
Me too except I think they were glad too. After 1/6 did they really think they'd get away with that? George II Jul 2021 #40
Sunrise o're the battlefield. Nt BootinUp Jul 2021 #41
This group cares nothing for the issue of climate change JI7 Jul 2021 #42
Why did they feel the need to deny or lie about this issue ? JI7 Jul 2021 #43
Myth of Democrats having to be dragged to the Left because they're the same as Republicans and betsuni Jul 2021 #44
I wanna know vercetti2021 Jul 2021 #47
Sunrise Movement is a "Carey" committee, i.e., a hybrid PAC/SuperPAC. As a Super PAC they can.... George II Jul 2021 #48

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
1. The Sunrise Movement has opposed the Biden Administration
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 10:48 AM
Jul 2021

at every turn. Then they take credit for everything the Biden Administration does.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
3. Sounds Like A Congressional Republican, Sir
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

Brag about what your district or state gets out of a bill you campaigned against....

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
13. Indeed the dishonesty displayed by both groups is staggering.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jul 2021

But the Republicans are much more dangerous because they have substantial political power unlike the Sunrise children.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. :) Of course. Those who seek followings but have no achievements
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jul 2021

always claim the achievements of others. AND their goals.

Lying to deceive well-meaing suckers seeking a cause to join is such a common power-seeking tactic that I learned to take an immediate hard look at ANY "reform" movement or politicians. Reeealy?

By definition, if wannabe leaders on any side are lying as a main strategy -- which is easy for truth-seekers to check, they're dirty as hell and need "reforming" right out of politics. And the leaders behind Sunrise are lying as a main strategy.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
6. They seem upset that what they work for isn't happening instantly. Welcome to US politics, Kids !
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

American politics moves at the speed of molasses.

I don't understand getting contentious with people who are on your side.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Some followers maybe. The leaders aren't so stupid.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:35 AM
Jul 2021

They are also not, and never have been, on the Democrats' "side." Many of them openly refuse to vote for Democrats and encourage others not to also, others just push, push, push hostile messages. They're on their own side, which is neither Democratic nor Republican.

Power-seekers like these wouldn't have followers if more people knew to examine behaviors, not just listen to high-minded siren songs designed to draw them in. After all, would real climate warriors or "progressives" throw the nation to a Republican Party determined to dismantle all climate action and progressive programs? Would they try to defeat Democrats instead of fighting with?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
24. The first earth day was 50 years ago.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:41 PM
Jul 2021

It’s always fun watching the septuagenarians who oversaw the decades of conditions that put us here tell the kids, who will have to (hopefully) live with it, “hey you can’t get anything overnight, what’s the rush?”

betsuni

(25,500 posts)
26. Nobody said that.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:17 PM
Jul 2021

The point is U.S. politics -- Republicans make it dysfunctional. Democrats are the environmentalists, always have been. Not a "both sides" thing. That's punching to the Left. This is a forum for Democrats.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. The only way for politicians to get anything done is to win their elections. How many endorsees....
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:28 PM
Jul 2021

....of Sunrise Movement are in government to actually accomplish anything?

You're correct, and it's a pity some seem feel the need to trash Democrats instead of supporting them.

betsuni

(25,500 posts)
32. Sunrise Movement is obviously not "grassroots." Democrats are the progressives, and
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:32 PM
Jul 2021

it's "punching to the Left" for whatever reason.

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. "The kids" aren't coming up with this on their own, there are adults directing AND financing them.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:25 PM
Jul 2021

I wonder where they were in the past, up to 50 years ago?

msongs

(67,405 posts)
45. one wonders how many of these alleged kids drive around in gas powered cars and recharge
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jul 2021

their electronic devices using coal powered electricity

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
9. weird.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:43 AM
Jul 2021

wondering who is counseling this group's strategies/tactics ?

It feels very suspicious, but maybe that's ptsd effect from the past five-six years of ratfuckery to the extreme.




Happy Hoosier

(7,305 posts)
10. These people are freakin' idiots.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jul 2021

They apparently have no idea about domestic politics works. They prefer to wat out own. So frustrating.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Sunrise Movement isn't a "youth movement", it's an adult movement that uses teenagers....
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jul 2021

....for their public demonstrations. It's not unlike many other "youth movements" we've seen in the past here and in other countries.

This same organization famously staged a demonstration outside Nancy Pelosi's office in November 2018, led by a member of congress. They demanded that a climate committee, Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, which was disbanded years before, be revived.

Unmentioned was that weeks before Speaker Pelosi had already announced she was reviving it.

Then, when Pelosi asked that member of congress to be a part of the select committee the response was, "I'm too busy".

It should also be noted that Sunrise Movement is a "Carey" committee, a hybrid PAC and Super PAC:

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/sunrise-pac/C00674697/summary/2020

NOTE: This committee is a so-called Carey committee, a hybrid PAC/super PAC.


https://www.opensecrets.org/resources/learn/glossary.php#Carey+Committee

Carey Committee: A Carey committee is a hybrid political action committee that is not affiliated with a candidate and has the ability to operate both as a traditional PAC, contributing funds to a candidate's committee, and as a super PAC, which makes independent expenditures. To do so, Carey committees must have a separate bank account for each purpose. The committee can collect unlimited contributions from almost any source for its independent expenditure account, but may not use those funds for its traditional PAC


In other words, Sunrise Movement is a "dark money" committee.

In the 2020 cycle, they had independent expenditures opposing several Democratic candidates. Those expenditures weren't much at the time, since they only converted to a "Carey" committee in mid-2020. Look for these to be much higher in future elections.

Finally, in the aftermath of January 6, did they think that a demonstration that "blockaded every entrance to the white house [sic]" would NOT result in arrests? I suspect that's what they wanted.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. They have NEVER protested republicans. This is the third well-publicized protest they've conducted..
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jul 2021

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator Dianne Feinstein, and now President Joe Biden.

I wonder how these kids can afford to travel to Washington for their demonstrations.

mcar

(42,311 posts)
23. That's a good question
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 01:29 PM
Jul 2021

As you posted above, they are a dark money group using kids for their aim - which are not liberal.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
31. Excellent question! What
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:30 PM
Jul 2021

are they afraid of?

Go get magats, SM.. they're the ones who are trying to freaking Destroy our Planet.

mcar

(42,311 posts)
33. If these young adults voted for Democrats
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 02:53 PM
Jul 2021

and encouraged their friends and family to vote for Democrats, maybe we'd have an easier time getting climate related legislation done.

But no, they've got to protest and talk down Democrats, which could end up suppressing the vote.

mcar

(42,311 posts)
39. Maybe so, but in many states teens can pre register when they are 17
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:18 PM
Jul 2021

and they could be influencing their older peers, friends and family members instead of falling for this nonsense.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
35. Yes We Would! But,
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:06 PM
Jul 2021

seeing the big Global Picture is Not what they're about

Happy Fourth of July, mcar!

betsuni

(25,500 posts)
37. They don't know anything. I'm embarrassed for them.
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jul 2021

Shame on the adults who mislead them, teach them to be cynically ignorant.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
43. Why did they feel the need to deny or lie about this issue ?
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:27 PM
Jul 2021

This is the point and shows their agenda which has nothing to do with fighting climate change.

A Democrat Buttigieg came up with an idea which Biden supported but they tried to make it like it was their idea and Biden wasn't supporting it and had to be pushed to.

betsuni

(25,500 posts)
44. Myth of Democrats having to be dragged to the Left because they're the same as Republicans and
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 03:42 PM
Jul 2021

everyone's bribed.

Pretending they're the first to introduce ideas that Teh Establishment thought too radical but now are mainstream because dragging "corporate Dems" to the Left. Taking credit for usual Democratic ideas as if they never existed. Lying. Seven minute abs. It's a habit.

George II

(67,782 posts)
48. Sunrise Movement is a "Carey" committee, i.e., a hybrid PAC/SuperPAC. As a Super PAC they can....
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 07:25 PM
Jul 2021

...accept unlimited amounts of money from any entity. Essentially they're a dark money organization, so there's no telling actually "who" is bankrolling these children.

The demonstrators come from all over the country, so there's a lot of money behind them.

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